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Oh it does does it...well let me do his homework for him.
Ron Paul on Education: We should encourage homeschooling & private schooling and let the individuals write that off. The parents have to get control of the education. It used to be parents had control of education through local school boards. Today it?s the judicial system and the executive branch of government, the bureaucracy, that controls things, and it would be predictable that the quality would go down. The money goes to the bureaucrats and not to the educational system. (So I suppose he's against funding public schools)
Ron Paul on Military: (Kind of a Mute point as the Military is in the constitution...even Duff would agree to that) Truly conservative in the sense of the words ?to conserve our true values? means being serious about taking our oath of office to the Constitution. Limit the government?s size, the spending, the deficits, and the exposure around the world. If the US is as great as I believe it should be and can be and has been, we will have influence around the world. We cannot spread our greatness and our goodness through the barrel of a gun. It fails because it destroys our goodness by doing it that way. (So I suppose he's against that as well)
Ron Paul on Fire and Police: Yeah... I don't even think I'm gonna answer the rest.
And I'm not even the Ron Paul supporter YOU claim to be.
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I know exactly what he stands for. I don't agree with everything. The most important reason I support him is his feeling towards the military industrial complex. You know the issue that is choking this country apart.
The lines were set long ago Turf
You got those that take responsibilty for themselves vs those that need that gov tit--
--certainly not hard to spot each.
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Local school boards - that means tax everyone in a district whether they have school age children or not - right?
You won't answer the rest? Of course not. You have no answers.
At least I can help you out with a fourth grade word. It's moot. A "mute" is a devise you stick in the end of a trumpet.
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Must be talking about rebs as the later. You might want to compare your map with one on welfare.
You failed to address Duff's post at all.
Would you like a side of Epic with that Fail?
"Hey, you're just like me now Turf!" :0074
If that's the case lets just tax those for public services such as if they have a fire or directly need to use police services; makes no sense to me.
I would hope any parent or adult for that matter would want a good school system for the kids.
I would assume most have grand kids ,nephews,nieces,and find education important.
I guess I don't have any answers and I'm an Epic Failure, maybe I should just capitulate being that I'm only a product of the very school system that I'm now being forced to pay for even though I don't have any school aged children myself. (You being the better, and smarter person and all)
Maybe you can find even more things that I don't use and still have to pay for. I know how about all the social programs, I don't use those and I still have to pay for them.
But as long as the government is in charge of health care it will never go broke and I'll always be taken care of right?
OK you've been officially demoted to moonbat status with the T brothers and muffins.
On you healthcare welfare--what part of adding millions more to medicare do you fail to comprehend-
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100806/ap_on_re_us/us_health_overhaul_lawsuit
States respond in health care overhaul lawsuit
"The states, the National Federation of Independent Business and several individual taxpayers will file their response in Pensacola federal court"
"Florida Attorney General Bill McCollum, a Republican candidate for governor, is leading the legal challenge. Other states that have joined the lawsuit are Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Georgia, Indiana, Idaho, Louisiana, Michigan, [COLOR=#366388 !important][FONT=arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif][COLOR=#366388 !important][FONT=arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif]Mississippi[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR], Nebraska, Nevada, North Dakota, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Texas, Utah and Washington"
The health care law, passed along partisan lines, requires most Americans to carry health insurance ? through an employer, a government program, or by buying their own policy. The mandate is effective in 2014. Insurers will then be required to take all applicants, and the government will offer tax credits to help middle-class households pay premiums. Medicaid will be expanded to cover millions more low-income people.
DUH!
Your lesson for today--read a few headlines today
<HR> Social Security in red for first time
<HR> Postal Service loses $3.5 Billion
<HR> FANNIE MAE Seeks $1.5 Billion From Treasury After 12th Straight Loss
then tell us how Gumby convinced you that grand daddy of all will be different-
I'll add the visuals :0008
update Bloomberg
Appears I may have been incorrect on Obiecare adding 13 million to Medicade--could be 16 million.
--and these 16million added to medicade must be the "working class" liberals speak of
--and per the grift of savings by cutting admin and paperwork cost--
The new law creates 68 grant programs, 47 bureaucratic entities, 29 demonstration or pilot programs, six regulatory systems, six compliance standards and two entitlements.
:0008
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-...-worse-upon-further-review-kevin-hassett.html
Obamacare Only Looks Worse Upon Further Review: Kevin Hassett
<CITE class=byline>By Kevin Hassett -<SCRIPT type=text/javascript>document.write(dateFormat(new Date(1280710806000),"mmm d, yyyy h:MM TT Z"));</SCRIPT> Aug 1, 2010 8:00 PM CT </CITE>
<CITE class=byline></CITE>
<CITE class=byline>One of the more illuminating remarks during the health-care debate in Congress came when House Speaker Nancy Pelosi told an audience that Democrats would ?pass the bill so you can find out what?s in it, away from the fog of controversy.?
That remark captured the truth that, while many Americans have a vague sense that something bad is happening to their health care, few if any understand exactly what the law does.
To fill this vacuum, Representative Kevin Brady of Texas, the top House Republican on the Joint Economic Committee, asked his staff to prepare a study of the law, including a flow chart that illustrates how the major provisions will work.
The result, made public July 28, provides citizens with a preview of the impact the health-care overhaul will have on their lives. It?s a terrifying road map that shows Democrats have launched America on the most reckless policy experiment in its history, the economic equivalent of the Bay of Pigs invasion.
Before discussing what the law means for you, we have to look at what it does to government. That?s where the chart comes in handy. It includes the new fees, bureaucracies and programs and connects them into an organizational chart that accounts for the existing structure. It?s so carefully documented that a line connecting two structures cites the legislative language that created the link.
Ornate System
This clearly is a candidate for most disorganized organizational chart ever. It shows that the health system is complex, yes, but also ornate. The new law creates 68 grant programs, 47 bureaucratic entities, 29 demonstration or pilot programs, six regulatory systems, six compliance standards and two entitlements.
Getting that massive enterprise up and running will be next to impossible. So Democrats streamlined the process by granting Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius the authority to make judgments that can?t be challenged either administratively or through the courts.
This monarchical protection from challenges is extended as well to the development of new patient-care models under Obama?s controversial recess appointment, Donald Berwick, whom Republicans are calling the rationer-in-chief. Berwick will run the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, where he can experiment with ways to use administrative fiat to move our system toward the socialized medicine of Europe, which he has at times embraced.
Closer to Home
A sprawling, complex bureaucracy has been set up that will have almost absolute power to dictate terms for participating in the health-care system. That?s what the law does to government. What it does to you is worse.
Based on the administration?s own numbers, as many as 117 million people might have to change their health plans by 2013 as their employer-provided coverage loses its grandfathered status and becomes subject to the new Obamacare mandates.
Those mandates also might make your health care more expensive. The Congressional Budget Office predicts that premiums for a small number of families who buy their insurance privately will rise by as much as $2,100.
The central Obamacare mechanism for increasing insurance coverage is an expansion of the Medicaid program. Of the 30 million new people covered, 16 million will be enrolled in Medicaid. And you could end up in the program whether you want it or not. The bill states that people who apply for coverage through the new exchanges or who apply for premium-subsidy credits will automatically be enrolled in Medicaid if they qualify.
Hurting the Elderly
To pay for this expansion, the bill takes $529 billion from Medicare, with roughly 39 percent of the cut coming from the Medicare Advantage program. This represents a large transfer of resources, sacrificing the care of the elderly in order to increase the Medicaid rolls.
For all this supposed reform, you, the American taxpayer, can expect a bill to the tune of $569 billion.
Front and center among the new taxes is the 40 percent excise tax on those lucky people with so-called Cadillac health plans. The higher insurance costs that are driven by the government mandates will push many more ordinary plans into Cadillac territory.
If the idea of taxing people with coverage deemed too good doesn?t bother you, maybe the new 3.8 percent tax on investment income will. That will apply even to a small number of home sales, those that generate $250,000 in profit for an individual or $500,000 for a married couple.
In vivid color and detail, Congressman Brady?s chart captures the huge expansion of government coming under Obamacare. Harder to show on paper is the pain it will cause.
(Kevin Hassett, director of economic-policy studies at the American Enterprise Institute, is a Bloomberg News columnist. He was an adviser to Republican Senator John McCain in the 2008 presidential election. The opinions expressed are his own.)
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Appears I may have been incorrect on Obiecare adding 13 million to Medicade--could be 16 million.
--and these 16million added to medicade must be the "working class" liberals speak of
--and per the grift of savings by cutting admin and paperwork cost--
The new law creates 68 grant programs, 47 bureaucratic entities, 29 demonstration or pilot programs, six regulatory systems, six compliance standards and two entitlements.
:0008
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-...-worse-upon-further-review-kevin-hassett.html
Obamacare Only Looks Worse Upon Further Review: Kevin Hassett
<CITE class=byline>By Kevin Hassett -<SCRIPT type=text/javascript>document.write(dateFormat(new Date(1280710806000),"mmm d, yyyy h:MM TT Z"));</SCRIPT> Aug 1, 2010 8:00 PM CT </CITE>
<CITE class=byline></CITE>
<CITE class=byline>One of the more illuminating remarks during the health-care debate in Congress came when House Speaker Nancy Pelosi told an audience that Democrats would ?pass the bill so you can find out what?s in it, away from the fog of controversy.?
That remark captured the truth that, while many Americans have a vague sense that something bad is happening to their health care, few if any understand exactly what the law does.
To fill this vacuum, Representative Kevin Brady of Texas, the top House Republican on the Joint Economic Committee, asked his staff to prepare a study of the law, including a flow chart that illustrates how the major provisions will work.
The result, made public July 28, provides citizens with a preview of the impact the health-care overhaul will have on their lives. It?s a terrifying road map that shows Democrats have launched America on the most reckless policy experiment in its history, the economic equivalent of the Bay of Pigs invasion.
Before discussing what the law means for you, we have to look at what it does to government. That?s where the chart comes in handy. It includes the new fees, bureaucracies and programs and connects them into an organizational chart that accounts for the existing structure. It?s so carefully documented that a line connecting two structures cites the legislative language that created the link.
Ornate System
This clearly is a candidate for most disorganized organizational chart ever. It shows that the health system is complex, yes, but also ornate. The new law creates 68 grant programs, 47 bureaucratic entities, 29 demonstration or pilot programs, six regulatory systems, six compliance standards and two entitlements.
Getting that massive enterprise up and running will be next to impossible. So Democrats streamlined the process by granting Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius the authority to make judgments that can?t be challenged either administratively or through the courts.
This monarchical protection from challenges is extended as well to the development of new patient-care models under Obama?s controversial recess appointment, Donald Berwick, whom Republicans are calling the rationer-in-chief. Berwick will run the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, where he can experiment with ways to use administrative fiat to move our system toward the socialized medicine of Europe, which he has at times embraced.
Closer to Home
A sprawling, complex bureaucracy has been set up that will have almost absolute power to dictate terms for participating in the health-care system. That?s what the law does to government. What it does to you is worse.
Based on the administration?s own numbers, as many as 117 million people might have to change their health plans by 2013 as their employer-provided coverage loses its grandfathered status and becomes subject to the new Obamacare mandates.
Those mandates also might make your health care more expensive. The Congressional Budget Office predicts that premiums for a small number of families who buy their insurance privately will rise by as much as $2,100.
The central Obamacare mechanism for increasing insurance coverage is an expansion of the Medicaid program. Of the 30 million new people covered, 16 million will be enrolled in Medicaid. And you could end up in the program whether you want it or not. The bill states that people who apply for coverage through the new exchanges or who apply for premium-subsidy credits will automatically be enrolled in Medicaid if they qualify.
Hurting the Elderly
To pay for this expansion, the bill takes $529 billion from Medicare, with roughly 39 percent of the cut coming from the Medicare Advantage program. This represents a large transfer of resources, sacrificing the care of the elderly in order to increase the Medicaid rolls.
For all this supposed reform, you, the American taxpayer, can expect a bill to the tune of $569 billion.
Front and center among the new taxes is the 40 percent excise tax on those lucky people with so-called Cadillac health plans. The higher insurance costs that are driven by the government mandates will push many more ordinary plans into Cadillac territory.
If the idea of taxing people with coverage deemed too good doesn?t bother you, maybe the new 3.8 percent tax on investment income will. That will apply even to a small number of home sales, those that generate $250,000 in profit for an individual or $500,000 for a married couple.
In vivid color and detail, Congressman Brady?s chart captures the huge expansion of government coming under Obamacare. Harder to show on paper is the pain it will cause.
(Kevin Hassett, director of economic-policy studies at the American Enterprise Institute, is a Bloomberg News columnist. He was an adviser to Republican Senator John McCain in the 2008 presidential election. The opinions expressed are his own.)
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Look on the bright side DTB...Pelosi and the gang didn't lie when she said, "We'll have to pass the bill to find out what's in it." :0074
But they wouldn't want health care for the kids?
That can't make sense, even to you, rusty.
DTB, my joke obviously flew right over your head.
But I have to congratulate you on your continued record of calling me names for no reason.
But I have to congratulate you on your continued record of calling me names for no reason.
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