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For me personally I have two "systems" that I use.

For MMA betting I use a set $ amount per unit and make my plays from 0.25 unit up to 2 units. I have not always done it this way. I have used % betting range (depending on the fight I would make it a 0.25% up to 2% play) and also used a conservative Labouchere system. All 3 systems were profitable but with the difficulties in moving money around I like the consistency of this set $ amount system with MMA being my main money maker.

Also for Soccer I use my own "modified" Labouchere system. I am constantly moving the numbers around from line to line, keeping a track off things so I can spot any upcoming issues. This system has worked for me over the last 6 years with soccer much more than a set $ amount or % play for this sport.

I also try to stay away from parlays. I find these fun but a money loser - at least from my view
 

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Betting 10% of your bankroll is reckless even if you bet one game per week. It makes no sense.
 

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Starting Sept 1st we'll find out.... :0corn

WISCONSIN : 22% :0002

But you really aren't betting 22% of your available bankroll on that game. You just like to post big percentages because it feeds your ego for some reason. If you were to lose a few games you would simply refill your bankroll with cash. Therefore, you really aren't betting 22% of your money on one game are you?
 

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Thank you everyone so much for taking the time to post your thoughts and ideas. (except homedog, you need to learn to express your opinion in a positive way, my man) There is a lot here that I have been thinking about. I like the idea of the Labourchere system, but I do not know if I want to expose myself to the increased percentage of bankroll wagers that a losing streak necessitates. I think for me that betting percentages will work out much better. I think Hawkeye's betting system is closest to what I am envisioning for myself this year. I don't want quite that much exposure, so I will be limiting the results of a negative sweep to 15% of my bankroll.

Old School, I am planning on posting a detailed record of my plays with dollars and percentages sometime soon. Maybe not this weekend, but by next weekend at the latest I think. I don't know how exciting it will be for people to watch, as I will only be starting with $1000. Not ready for the MJ Millionaires Club just yet.

Also, I am taking my max bet on one play down to 5% from 10%. I know many think that this is too high, but I do not bet a ton of games. I like to look for the best situations and then hit them hard. I also plan on frequent readjustments of the bets according to the bankroll fluctuations. I am thinking of adjusting when the bankroll either rises 50% or drops 20%.

Thanks again for all of your advice and comments. I really appreciate it, and I wish everyone the best of luck in the upcoming season.

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But you really aren't betting 22% of your available bankroll on that game. You just like to post big percentages because it feeds your ego for some reason. If you were to lose a few games you would simply refill your bankroll with cash. Therefore, you really aren't betting 22% of your money on one game are you?



Oh Ye' of Little Faith!! :0008 and EGO...:142smilie

It's not Ego, it is the Fact my Bets, Wagers & RECORD are for all to see..
I Post so others can see when I'm Hot and also when things are not going well.........
If I had an EGO I would not Post all that due to the chance of a Disastrous Outcome therefore Destroying My Ego..
I'm one of the Few that post Updated Records each post without playing a Shell game like most......


Someone wants to bet 2%-3% or whatever that's their prerogative..

I'll just say my BR is 10,000 so my $500 wager is at the acceptable 5% :facepalm: .....



It's a matter of To Each his Own ..It works for me BUT I Do Not Bet Nearly as Many Games as Most in the Gambling Arena!!!

GL & God Bless..... :0008

VACATION WEEK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:00hour
 
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IMO, if you're going to be playing many games then Hawkeyes way is the best. 2-5% might no be much but if you play a ton of games then your exposure is way too high. IMO your given exposure for the day as a whole is more important than any one game. I think one 10% play is smarter than 10 5% plays. I know most will argue with that but if you adjust your bankroll after losses then fewer bets are smarter. If you play a lot then you don't have time to adjust your bankroll during a losing streak because they all could be during a small window and you have to be them at the same time. I'm not saying a 10% play is smart, just the overall amount.

I know there is one guy that a lot of people like to follow on here and he bets tonssssssssssss of games at just 2% to 7 or 8%. That's all fine and he does win but ONE losing morning and afternoon can wipe out over half your roll.
 
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I know there is one guy that a lot of people like to follow on here and he bets tonssssssssssss of games at just 2% to 7 or 8%. That's all fine and he does win but ONE losing morning and afternoon can wipe out over half your roll.



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GL WOOD!!
 

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Many schools of thought..

Same amount, no matter what the game. So say, $50 per game, whether you deem it a "lock" or just have a good feeling.

1x, 2x, 3x, 4x. With the percentage of 4x being about 1 per 6 months. 3x maybe 1 per month, 1 and 2x accordingly.

Also depends on sport.
NFL - no more than 2-4 plays all weekend. 4 and 5 plays per week will just hurt you in the long run
MLB - 1 per day, tops.
NBA - Never

NCAAF - 5-8 plays per week depending on how good a capper you are.


Dont play parlays
Dont play teasers
Dont stray from the 2 above rules, and you'll be okay.
 

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If anything I've ignored your thread as I've been quite busy but I think its HONEST threads like this that make MJ's so unique.

Before qualifying your bank roll, I think it's important, no, mandatory, to qualify your reasoning for wagering.

STEP ONE. Qualifying to Play.

1. Do you currently live pay check to pay check?
2. Does gambling frequently bring negative confrontations to and your spouse, significant other, or family?
3. Are you out of debt?
4. Is there something you can do for your family or friends BEFORE you gamble your money away? This question is ignored more times than confronted. I personally believe I fight more with this one question than all others. How many times has a close friend/family spoke of hardened times and you listen and empathize but don't act? I still struggle with this. It's philosophical and will be not be emphasized in this text, but I lost a grand last week and the first thing I thought of is how I could have helped someone in need that I care about... and that I hate the Yankees but I digress.
5. Is there an increased sweat factor if you lose for an extended period of time?

STEP TWO: Defining yourself as a Player

1. Are you an action guy who plays primarily for entertainment? A lot of guys just scoffed that read this but trust me, many play for action and follow up it with self denial.
2. Are you actually trying to make money, even supplement your income to pay bills, live more extravagantly?
3. Are you selective in plays?
4. Are you going to use a grading system for unit amount?
5. Have you set goals on the year? I break it down into four week stretches but to each their own.

STEP THREE: Your Bankroll
1. How much can you designate for gambling? I think this should be included in your monthly budget if this is money coming out of your paycheck and your families mouth. It goes back to being true to ones self. If you're spending more than 10% of your salary on gambling and not including it in your entertainment budget then you're stealing from yourself and family.
2. Will you replenish if and when you lose 100% of your bank roll? Sounds stupid but people do it or you wouldn't have reload bonuses flashing in your face every time you go to a sports book online. If yes, 5% of previous bank roll (Notice your now at 15% of your salary if this is coming out of your paycheck) OUCH. You have to have a stop loss point or it's self destruction.
3. What will each play be worth as a percentage of your bank roll. Its dynamic to the individual but for the average gambler, let's say $1000. Right away, if you're thinking you are a hundred dollar player, you're kidding yourself. If you're in it for entertainment and said $50 with selective play I would agree as it's just entertainment. But if you're gambling goal is to build your bankroll this year only to use it going forward, then I would say 2.5% - 4% of your bank roll not including juice vig of .10%/bet.
4. Are you going to pay yourself back your initial investment as your bankroll climbs? Why wouldn't you if it's entertainment. If it's for extra income, I say yes and your $ should not fluctuate until you've paid back your loan. It's up to the individual really.

STEP FOUR: Wagers
1. Is there a max or minimum on the amount of wagers placed?
2. Are you placing only wagers you handicapped or wagers that you coattail? Hey, some guys can't pick their nose. I'm one of them in several sports.
3. Is there a % of your bankroll you play per day or week? I think this is debatable as there may be ten games that fit perfectly into a qualifying play one week and just two the next two weeks. It's debatable.
4. Are you keeping track of your weaknesses? Have you identified any gaps, leaks, or have a blind sides to any one type of bet? Prop bets, totals, half time wagers, prime time plays, etc. They are there and you will play longer if you identify them and discipline yourself to avoid them.

STEP FIVE Monitoring and Controlling
1. Have you kept a detail log of teams, games, betting styles throughout the season and adapted your play based off your strengths. For instance, I lost 4 Penn State games last year before I realized my rankings were flawed. I had no insight to Penn State and even worse a false confidence in my knowledge of that team. Ultimately my bank roll increased when I removed them as a qualifying wager.
2. Have you SUCCESSFULLY adjusted your bankroll each day or week (depending on the individ) as the season progresses. This is the most common mistake.
3. Have you put the proper checks and balances in place to know if should increase wagers and decrease wagers.


I have a group of friends that gamble as well as a group of friends that don't. We all coexist, some better than others. But interestingly enough, the non-gamblers or "Sales Guys" we'll call them made an interesting point. Just as you would negotiate a salary, you should negotiate ahead of time what you are wanting to get out of gambling.

If it's a 100% return. Then make certain your formula for success equals that and lay out your plan and check it along the way. But understand there is greater risk with higher yields and a greater, much greater chance of complete failure.

Thanks for reading, hope it helps. I would appreciate any comments about the question related to helping others and if anyone has taken 10%+ of their bankroll and done so.

I'd be interested to know your thoughts.

This is my plan for this football season.

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if you are betting your paycheck that you need to pay the bills, then......:sadwave:

if it's money you have set aside and losing it does not affect your lifestyle.. then, :toast:

either way, have fun guys...:box2:
 

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Before you even think about this why don't you go put 100 marbles in a box (55 blue and 45 white). Then proceed to pick them out of the box and write down the order. Be sure to put the marble back in the box after you write it down. Then pretend like the blue ones are wins and white ones are losses. Then see how many bets it takes for you to go broke. And keep in mind that is with 55% winners.

I'm as much in favor of solid money management as anyone but the example above implies that wagering on a football game is as random as picking a marble from a box. Which, given the wealth of information available to the people with the diligence to leverage it; it simply is not.
 

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Adjusting your daiily bank roll is the key and keeping sports seperate is also important.- BUT THE BIGGEST KEY IS BEING CONSISTENT PERIOD IN THAT MONEY MANAGAGEMENT- no matter how much you or some one s likes a play or how much your up or down it stick to your system whatever it is- the problem is guys chase and they dont stick or they fall in love with teasers and parlays. But we are all adults(or some of us are) to make our own decisions. Just like a broker or business plan- find out what works and stick to it. What works-well works - but just like business it takes discipline. -Know if your a casual better and say im going to lose no more than 5K and thats ok and look it at gambling-(which I do not). And you have no mm you will lose it in no time.
 

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I'm as much in favor of solid money management as anyone but the example above implies that wagering on a football game is as random as picking a marble from a box. Which, given the wealth of information available to the people with the diligence to leverage it; it simply is not.




Look who thats coming from-
 

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STEP TWO: Defining yourself as a Player

1. Are you an action guy who plays primarily for entertainment? A lot of guys just scoffed that read this but trust me, many play for action and follow up it with self denial.

That's me! I tried a couple of baseball seasons to get serious about it and fulfill all the qualifications in your post. I was intrigued by the more analytical/experienced gamblers on the forum and wanted to try it for myself. It worked decently for a while, but became like a second job.

I started doing the math and realized the amount of time I put into it (researching picks, compiling spreadsheets etc), even if I defied the odds and went on some great "60% wins 40% losses" streak, that I would be making about $10/hr. So it wasn't even a well paid second job!
Granted that was because I was trying to do it the responsible way and only bet money that was disposable, and kept my units a very small amount of money.

Maybe I'll give it a try again, but I always end up having more fun gambling when I'm in debt, gambling with money I need for rent, letting it create strife in my personal relationships, and most of all making me sweat. :toast:
 

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Maybe I'll give it a try again, but I always end up having more fun gambling when I'm in debt, gambling with money I need for rent, letting it create strife in my personal relationships, and most of all making me sweat. :toast:

I hold you in high regard because of your candor and honesty. I, too, often find myself chasing or thinking long those lines.
 

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I bet purely for the action...20-40 bucks a game and 50 or 100 when I really like one

now I have a high maintenance girlfriend that takes money to entertain :lol: worse than gambling :facepalm:
 
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