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kosar

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On a subject that I really don't care much about, this guys column probably comes closest to my opinion.


AL'S WARMING LIES

& THE REAL 'INCONVENIENT TRUTH'
By IAIN MURRAY

March 22, 2007 -- AL Gore was born and spent most of his life in Washington, D.C. Yesterday, he returned to the fever swamp to show he's forgotten none of his old political tricks.

Addressing the House and Senate on global warming, he put forth a litany of half-truths that he twisted into a morality tale. But the facts tell a different story. The former veep is a master politician, not a prophet or a planetary savior.

Gore's biggest rhetorical trick is saying that the Earth has a fever. He says that 10 of the hottest years in history came in the last 11 years, and this proves we must do something, because, "If your baby has a fever, you go to the doctor."

This is meaningless. The Earth has been much, much hotter in the past than today. No giant space nanny fed it medicine.

Moreover, a healthy baby has a constant temperature - that's why a fever is bad. The Earth does not have a constant temperature. It has been generally warming since the end of the Little Ice Age in the early 19th century, but that has not been uniform. It's had warming phases (the 1920s and 1930) and cooling phases (the 1940s to 1970s).

It's also had periods like today, when temperatures are flat - there hasn't been much warming since 1998. Yes, it's warmer today than it was a hundred years ago, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. Talking about fevers is misleading, but it's a great rhetorical trick.

And when it comes to the economics of the issue, Gore is way outside the mainstream. Appearing before a House committee, he said that changing the American economy in the way he proposes - a plan of freezes, taxes, market controls and regulations that would represent a massive expansion of government control over the economy - would not be costly.

Yet he also endorsed the ill-fated Kyoto Protocol (which he helped negotiate). The U.S. Energy Information Administration calculates that Kyoto would reduce U.S. gross domestic product by $100 billion to $400 billion a year.

Gore is a very wealthy man, but it's hard to see why he can't recognize that this is a lot of money lost - and a lot of jobs lost and a lot of families going cold and hungry.

How does Gore address this point? He doesn't; he simply avoids it, with highfalutin rhetoric. It's not just the Earth's "fever" and our supposed moral duty to cure it; he says our descendants will either condemn us as blind or praise us for our moral courage. He also makes veiled references to himself as Churchill, while all around him others appease fascism.

It's not subtle stuff - nor accurate.

If you establish that the Earth is warming, it doesn't necessarily follow that we have a moral duty to reduce emissions. What should follow is an informed debate about the costs and benefits of various policies to address that warming - reducing emissions is just one possible answer. Another debate should focus on those policies' economic costs.

Al Gore doesn't want to have those debates, because the majority of evidence suggests that emissions reduction will be very costly and will have little effect. Kyoto, fully enacted by all its parties, would for all its cost reduce global warming by a mere 0.07 degrees Celsius by 2050 - a barely detectable amount.

Meanwhile, 2 billion people around the world go without electricity. About 3 million die each year because of fumes given off by primitive stoves. The U.S. economy sneezes when gasoline hits $3 a gallon.

If we have a moral duty, it's to keep energy affordable here and to expand access to it overseas. That's the real moral truth, however inconvenient for Al Gore.

Iain Murray is senior fellow in Energy, Science and Technology at the Competitive Enterprise Institute in Washington, D.C.
 

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Kosar i really don't think this is something democrats should keep pouncing on but if you think the sun isn't warmer than 20 years ago you need to go outside more. You can feel the sting of the sun till around 6 30 around here. Is it global warming? I don't know but its something. I never felt that sting back 15 years ago. Probably 4 415 and that was it.
 

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Kosar i really don't think this is something democrats should keep pouncing on but if you think the sun isn't warmer than 20 years ago you need to go outside more. You can feel the sting of the sun till around 6 30 around here. Is it global warming? I don't know but its something. I never felt that sting back 15 years ago. Probably 4 415 and that was it.

Not trying to be an asshole here, but are you being serious with this comment or just being sarcastic? Just curious.
 

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Not trying to be an asshole here, but are you being serious with this comment or just being sarcastic? Just curious.

Maybe its a Pa thing. Maybe you guys have a different sun then we do because if you can't notice this then i can't help ya. Im not calling it global warming but it is hotter later in the day then it used to be.
 

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Sponge, you are about to talk me into thinking global warming is not only a hoax, but we are probably actually getting too cold.
 

The Sponge

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Again here we go me i worked outside for 18 years and you guys most likely all worked inside. Kinda like the tipping thing. You guys are all xperts in areas you hardly know anything about. If i worked inside most of my life i wouldn't realize this either.
 

DOGS THAT BARK

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sponge--go to http://weather.yahoo.com/

type in your zip code--in blue box you will see link for "records and averages"

report back to us the date of record highs for each month.

example---this is bowling greens

Month Avg. High Avg. Low Avg. Precip. Rec. High Rec. Low
January 43.0? F 25.0? F 4.15 in 78.0?
(01/24/1943)
-21.0? F
(01/24/1963)

February 49.0? F 29.0? F 4.15 in 82.0?
(02/13/1962)
-20.0? F
(02/02/1951)

March 59.0? F 37.0? F 4.97 in 85.0?
(03/19/1982)
-6.0? F
(03/05/1960)

April 69.0? F 45.0? F 3.99 in 92.0?
(04/30/1942)
22.0? F
(04/14/1950)

May 77.0? F 55.0? F 5.36 in 96.0?
(05/29/1941)
30.0? F
(05/01/1963)

June 85.0? F 63.0? F 4.29 in 108.0?
(06/29/1936)
40.0? F
(06/01/1966)

July 89.0? F 68.0? F 4.54 in 107.0?
(07/16/1980)
46.0? F
(07/23/1947)

August 88.0? F 66.0? F 3.36 in 106.0?
(08/28/1936)
42.0? F
(08/31/1946)

September 81.0? F 58.0? F 4.13 in 104.0?
(09/07/1990)
33.0? F
(09/24/1983)

October 70.0? F 46.0? F 3.17 in 93.0?
(10/05/1951)
23.0? F
(10/22/1987)

November 58.0? F 37.0? F 4.46 in 85.0?
(11/02/1946)
-7.0? F
(11/25/1950)

December 47.0? F 29.0? F 5.06 in 78.0?
(12/03/1982)
-14.0? F
(12/22/1989)
 

The Sponge

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dogs im not talking about temperatures im talking about the intensity of the sun. when there is no clouds out you can feel the sting of the sun longer than you could 20 years ago. guys who work inside all their lives would never be able to tell this. Let me repeat this again im not saying its global warming but it is something. Maybe the sun drop and eight of an inch closer to earth i don't know. There you go Kosar the child go run with that.
 

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dogs im not talking about temperatures im talking about the intensity of the sun. when there is no clouds out you can feel the sting of the sun longer than you could 20 years ago. guys who work inside all their lives would never be able to tell this. Let me repeat this again im not saying its global warming but it is something. Maybe the sun drop and eight of an inch closer to earth i don't know. There you go Kosar the child go run with that.

Maybe you are just older? The body probably changes a bit more rapidly than the Earth or Sun.
 

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Maybe you are just older? The body probably changes a bit more rapidly than the Earth or Sun.

Maybe that is it. Me and the fifty friends of mine that say the same thing. Since we all are older except the one buddy who actually got younger you may have a point.
 

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Last week we had 5 consecutive days of record highs. Hit triple digits twice.
 

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You can feel the sting of the sun till around 6 30 around here. Is it global warming? I don't know but its something. I never felt that sting back 15 years ago. Probably 4 415 and that was it.
Maybe its a Pa thing. Maybe you guys have a different sun then we do because if you can't notice this then i can't help ya.
Again here we go me i worked outside for 18 years and you guys most likely all worked inside. Kinda like the tipping thing.
Maybe the sun drop and eight of an inch closer to earth i don't know.
Maybe that is it. Me and the fifty friends of mine that say the same thing. Since we all are older except the one buddy who actually got younger you may have a point.
Come to think of it i use to be able to go shoeless in the snow for two or three hours and now i can only do it for 1.
I seriously can not believe what I have just read.
 

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Criticism is part of the healthy debate, but I find it hard to take Gore's critics seriously when they don't even mention the words "carbon dioxide" or even "science" in their article.

The author made Gore the bad guy. Thanks okay, but the last time I watched Al's movie, he was just the spokesman.

...And I don't think the argument that "it's not going to work" or "its too expensive" is very persuasive without the evidence.
 

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i would bet my last dollar if Gore said that it was leaves laying on the ground that was the cause of global warming more would be on board but since its the energy industry the right wing nut jobs will never believe. They have their neocon nitwit radio along with their nitwit brainwashing token media guys that have pushed them to not believe any thing this guy says. What is Gores gain here? We all know what the neocons gain is.
 
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