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dawgball

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This guy is swiftly moving up my list of favorite people to read. I've had the fortune of meeting with Jeff one on one on a few occasions. Hopefully, I will continue to have the opportunity to learn from him.

http://forum.belmont.edu/cornwall/archives/009305.html

There is more talk these days from Washington and from those on the campaign trail that government needs to take an active role guiding the economy. With entrepreneurship the driving force in our economy, and for that matter in most economies around the globe, this is an alarming trend. Sen. Clinton is talking about the need for the federal government to set our economic priorities and strategies.

This is absolutely counter to all that we know about the appropriate role for government in entrepreneurially-based economies. The more government gets involved in managing economies, the more complex the tax code gets (they use this to shape our behaviors) and the more regulation inevitably follows. These are two of the major factors that stifle entrepreneurial activity.

But, the activist approach to economic policy (what I like to call socialized entrepreneurship) also creates lots of mischief that leads to even more regulation and government intervention at the micro level.

Case in point from governmentexecutive.com:

The chairman of the Senate Small Business and Entrepreneurship Committee is demanding an explanation from the State and Defense departments for how a wealthy 22-year-old arms dealer, under investigation for providing decades-old ammunition to Afghan security forces, was inappropriately classified as a small disadvantaged business on dozens of federal contracts.

Responding to an April 3 report from Government Executive, Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., sent letters to Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice on Thursday requesting responses about AEY Inc. of Miami, and its owner, Efraim Diveroli.

Kerry is interested in how AEY obtained its SDB designation -- despite never requesting or garnering such a classification from the Small Business Administration -- and if the company received any preferential treatment as a result of the mistake.

Just as people seek to exploit opportunities in the market, they will seek to exploit artificial market opportunities created by government policies. That is why big government Republicans are quite happy with the status quo of the current 65,000 page tax code. Those who help shape the code through lobbying also get to exploit it economically.

But, not to worry. Sen. Kerry has it all under control. He has called for hearings, which will surely solve all of the problems created by the regulatory mess he and others in Washington helped to create in the first place. More rules, more regulation, more hearings..... it never ends.
 

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Maybe you have not noticed, we all ready have a fascist government. Big business and lobbyists own the politicians. By politicians saying more government involvement, they mean higher payoffs for big business favors. Republicans favor letting big business police themselves, that's why the dollar, credit and housing market is crashing.
 

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Republicans favor letting big business police themselves, that's why the dollar, credit and housing market is crashing.

Sure, its the republicans fault. Dems are saints, and aren't in bed with big business:mj07: :mj07:

Our true enemies, yourself included, want this bickering amongst the right and left. It allows for business to proceed as usual.
 

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Our true enemies, yourself included, want this bickering amongst the right and left. It allows for business to proceed as usual.

Bullshit Cie. It is people like Spy that are the true patriots because they stand up for the good of the country and not a particular party or business interest. The people that are the problem are the ones that play the partisan game, which leads to absolutely no reform.

Apathy is killing this country.
 

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Sure, its the republicans fault. Dems are saints, and aren't in bed with big business:mj07: :mj07:

Our true enemies, yourself included, want this bickering amongst the right and left. It allows for business to proceed as usual.

The rich want the country divided, example Repubs and Dems. Because if the people were united they would see what's going on and take action, and there are alot more of us poor folks than are of them.

This is the United States of America, but they don't want the people united. That is why many unions are under fire. Unions helped make the middle class, but some Americans want the middle class to die. What will be left is the rich and working poor.
 

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The rich want the country divided, example Repubs and Dems. Because if the people were united they would see what's going on and take action, and there are alot more of us poor folks than are of them.

This is the United States of America, but they don't want the people united. That is why many unions are under fire. Unions helped make the middle class, but some Americans want the middle class to die. What will be left is the rich and working poor.

I agree completely. Which is why the partisan bickering I read on here regularly, and listen to on the radio, and watch on television from the likes of O'Reilly, Hannity, Olbermann, etc, makes me sick to my stomach.
 

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Bullshit Cie. It is people like Spy that are the true patriots because they stand up for the good of the country and not a particular party or business interest. The people that are the problem are the ones that play the partisan game, which leads to absolutely no reform.

Apathy is killing this country.

:clap: :clap: :clap:
 

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I just don't understand if your goal is to open eyes and try to get down to the truth and also expose filthy rotten lies, you somehow are assigned the left label:shrug: I would rip the left as bad as the right but Im tired of crawling under the bed and pulling one out
GM Doesn't it get sickening to give a vote to this party (Dem)when we are out there fighting harder then they are?
 

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Sponge: It's a miserable situation right now. Ay time I speak out, I get called anti-american or labeled a Democrat. You know what is anti-american????? Apathy. Letting the government do what ever the hell they want and then standing on the sideline arguing about everything but what matters. Sick. Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly are the most unamerican fuks I can think of because they are barriers to progress cloaked in an American flag....Sick.
 

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The rich want the country divided, example Repubs and Dems. Because if the people were united they would see what's going on and take action, and there are alot more of us poor folks than are of them.

This is the United States of America, but they don't want the people united. That is why many unions are under fire. Unions helped make the middle class, but some Americans want the middle class to die. What will be left is the rich and working poor.

Its not rich and poor--its tax payor vs non tax payor/conservative vs liberal.

If you haven't been following other threads I'll update you--only states except Louisiana (hurricane) that has lost population are liberal states--why because they also lead in taxing residents and unemployment for most part.

I'll be happy to pull up the demopgraphics agan for the upteenth time--but conservatives would flourish without liberals--and you could not survive without conservatives.

We'll take the corporations-farmers -military-small business owners ect--
--and you take your social programs and benefactors -unions ect

As a middle class conservative tax payor--give me just one reason why I would remotely want/need to set foot on your turf.

Then you tell me who is going to feed you-pay for your social programs--findyou a job (other than penal system or aids research) and protect you?
----and pray tell how will the Eddie Haskell's survive with no corps or ins co to sue :)
 

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Sure, its the republicans fault. Dems are saints, and aren't in bed with big business:mj07: :mj07:

Our true enemies, yourself included, want this bickering amongst the right and left. It allows for business to proceed as usual.

Cie -- this guy is historically Republican, by nature. Is someone an enemy for stating an opinion or calling out something that they disagree with (regardless of party)? Sounds Communistic.

I, for one, despise both of our parties. I think the Dems are more threatening to our long-term good, but the Republicans are not showing that they understand or are capable of running this country in a way that is good for Americans, in general.

We need our entire political system shaken up to get this ship turning in the right direction! Unfortunately, due to the way the Dems/Reps have it structured and taped up, that is damn near impossible.

What's funny/scary to me (which is in line with your last paragraph) is that I don't think many people on this board are really on any of our current candidate's side. They just happen to be more against the other guy. Sad state for our country.

Is anyone here really fecking excited about having either McCain or Obama for the next four years. I'm certainly not...

Let's stop bickering among each other. The first step is to halt the name calling from everyone. It's counter-productive, and I'm as guilty as the next guy here (except for Matt -- that dude's a douche!) :0corn :joke:
 

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Is anyone here really fecking excited about having either McCain or Obama for the next four years. I'm certainly not...

I side w/ McCain, but he will spend, spend, spend while in office. I am truly concerned about our future.

I spoke with the local Consul from Spain last night at a party. He is concerned that with our pending collapse, that the EC will be right behind us. We already know that China is dependant on us as their best customer, so will anyone be spared:shrug:
 

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I spoke with the local Consul from Spain last night at a party. He is concerned that with our pending collapse, that the EC will be right behind us. We already know that China is dependant on us as their best customer, so will anyone be spared:shrug:

Great point and insight, Cie. That's exactly why I am not as fearful for our economy as most.

BUUUUT we must proactively renoegotiate our trading positions with other countries where it is beneficial to both parties.

I know most of you hate when I relate government to business, but I relate this situation to the potential of losing your best customer. If your best customer called up one day and sincerely said that they needed a discount or they had to cancel (in a non-threatening manner, of course :) ), then you would make sure to do everything you could to provide them with the opportunity to continue doing business with you while maintaining a more modest profit. At least I would.

I side w/ McCain, but he will spend, spend, spend while in office. I am truly concerned about our future.

And, from what I've heard, that's about as enthusiastic anyone (that's not letting emotions run the show) is about either candidate when it comes down to it.
 

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Well lets be honest. The Gov has to regulate somethings. If you want to be safe.
And DTB people have not left what you called liberial states because of taxes. There taxes will be more but there is some good reasons?
And those that say when Dems are in office that business does badley. They have not been given the truth. Check it out even Wall Street admitts that is not complety true.
 

dawgball

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Well lets be honest. The Gov has to regulate somethings. If you want to be safe.

No doubt. But regulating too much is just as dangerous when it comes to business.
 

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Wayne, since you like statistics so much, maybe a couple of studies (one that I know you like and have posted about before) might fly in the face of your assessment.

Remember the article about which party-leaning family donates more to charity? It came from the Syracuse researcher that escapes me now, but he quoted the difference in incomes favoring liberal families over conservative families by 6%. Also, came across this one:

Mon Dec 17, 2007

Conservative States Have A Lower Median Family Income Than Liberal States

According to the U.S. Census Bureau, Statistical Abstract of the United States: 2006 the Median Family Income across the United States in 2003 was $52,273. 26 out of 31 Conservative States had lower than average Median Family Income (84% of Conservative States) versus 4 out of 20 Liberal States that had lower than average Median Family Income (20% of Liberal States). The lowest Median Family Income in the country is found in West Virginia with $38,568. The highest Median Family Income in the country is found in New Jersey with $70,263.

So, your blanket assessment of Conservatives (i.e. taxpayers) vs. Liberals (i.e. non-taxpayers) seems to be arguable, at least, and proven incorrect by either sources you quote and/or the U.S. Census Bureau, at most.

Any thoughts on this? :shrug:
 
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