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...Joao Silva for The New York Times..

the caption...

""A sniper loyal to Shiite cleric Moqtada al Sadr fires towards U.S. positions in the cemetery in Najaf, Iraq.""

Michele McNally: "Right there with the Mahdi army. Incredible courage."..

another comment by mcnally...""This picture is symbolic, iconic and grudgingly aesthetic"".....

lol...a sniper firing at our troops while a nyt`s photographer takes photos?...i read any more of these comments i`ll need to take a sedative to keep from having a conniption...

incredible courage?....

jeff goldstein......""Incredible courage? Well, far be it for me to question such self-congratulatory enthusiasm, but it seems to me that actual “incredible courage” would have entailed, say, Joao Silva getting word to US troops, or his bumrushing the sniper and beating him unconscious with a heavy telephoto lens.

What we’ve witnessed here is the product of dangerous opportunism in the service of plaudits and cocktail party invites.""


how many photographers did we send with the nazis?...the japanese?...htf does an american reporter get embedded with the enemy?....

makes one practically ill to think that our soldiers protect these nimrods...and try and retrieve them when they are taken hostage.....
 

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heres another from the same slideshow.....

the comments(this is the "iconic" one)..

...""Iraqis chanted anti-American slogans in Falluja yesterday as burned bodies of Americans were suspended on a bridge over the Euphrates River.

Michele McNally: "Time will tell, but this one is iconic enough to join the ranks of Eddie Adams, Joe Rosenthal and Nick Ut..."
 

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caption...."Southern Sudan, Vulture stalking a starving child. ...Photo by Kevin Carter.


another good one from comrade dogleash`s(silva`s) group,"the bang club".....

it doesn't say anywhere whether these gobsmacks did anything for the child, only for themselves by getting the picture.....
 
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just checked silva out...and he`s a citizen of south africa working for the times.....i guess that gives him a pass.....

but not that crapweasel mcnally...or the times....

btw...an interesting aside regarding the guy that took the picture of the vulture stalking the little starving girl.....an interesting read......

""Kevin Carter (September 13, 1960 – July 27, 1994) was an award-winning South African photojournalist and member of the Bang-Bang Club.

Carter began his career as a weekend sports photographer in 1983 for Johannesburg's Sunday Express. A year later he moved on to work for the Johannesburg Star bent on exposing the brutality of apartheid. That same year Carter's first Time cover appeared.

Carter was the first to photograph a public execution by necklacing in South Africa in the mid-1980s. He later spoke of the images; "I was appalled at what they were doing. I was appalled at what I was doing. But then people started talking about those pictures... then I felt that maybe my actions hadn't been at all bad. Being a witness to something this horrible wasn't necessarily such a bad thing to do."[1]

In March 1993 Carter made a trip to southern Sudan with intentions of documenting the local rebel movement. However, upon arriving and witnessing the horror of the famine, Carter began to take photographs of starving victims. The sound of soft, high-pitched whimpering near the village of Ayod attracted Carter to a young emaciated Sudanese toddler. The girl had stopped to rest while struggling to a feeding center, wherein a seemingly well-fed vulture had landed nearby. Carter snapped the haunting photograph and chased the vulture away. However, he also came under heavy criticism for just photographing — and not helping — the girl:

"The man adjusting his lens to take just the right frame of her suffering might just as well be a predator, another vulture on the scene." [2]
The photograph was sold to The New York Times where it appeared for the first time on March 26, 1993. Practically overnight hundreds of people contacted the newspaper to ask whether the child had survived, leading the newspaper to run a special editor's note saying the girl had enough strength to walk away from the vulture, but that her ultimate fate was unknown. On April 2, 1994 Nancy Buirski, a foreign New York Times picture editor, phoned Carter to inform him he had won the most coveted prize for photography. Carter was awarded the Pulitzer Prize for Feature Photography on May 23, 1994 at Columbia University's Low Memorial Library.

He later confided to friends that he wished he had intervened and helped the child. Journalists at the time were warned never to touch famine victims for fear of disease. This criticism and the death of a close friend, Ken Oosterbroek, who was shot and killed in Tokoza on April 18, 1994 while covering township violence, may have contributed to Carter's tragic suicide. On July 27, 1994 Carter drove to the Braamfonteinspruit river, near the Field and Study Center, an area he used to play at as a child, and took his own life by taping one end of a hose to his pickup truck’s exhaust pipe and running the other end to the passenger-side window. He died of carbon monoxide poisoning at the age of 33. The last person to see Carter alive was Oosterbroek's widow, Monica. Portions of Carter's suicide note read:

"I am depressed ... without phone ... money for rent ... money for child support ... money for debts ... money!!! ... I am haunted by the vivid memories of killings & corpses & anger & pain ... of starving or wounded children, of trigger-happy madmen, often police, of killer executioners...I have gone to join Ken if I am that lucky." [3]
 
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agree, pretty dispicable pictures.

Tell you what, GW, I think this line, ""A sniper loyal to Shiite cleric Moqtada al Sadr fires towards U.S. positions in the cemetery in Najaf, Iraq."" is a flat out lie. It's a staged shot, and bs. The only way it isn't involves this so called Iraqi sniper with a bullet in his head seconds after this phot was taken, and of course, I'm sure there's not a picture of that? Anybody that knows even a little bit about sniping knows that this guy is dead meat. What a joke... Carlos Hathcock would have taken this guy out in his sleep as would any sniper that's gone through training in the USA, GB, Germany, Russia, Finland, etc. I don't know what's worse. The photographer being imbedded, or the photographer staging a bogus picture. I call major :bsflag:
 

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this is an outrage!!!!

why are these scumbags not taken to the nearest tree and hung for treason and crimes against humanity????
 

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I think the President should call his pals at the Times and put a stop to this this. There you go again, sweating a hill of beans. Think Big Picture . Keep your eye on the prize. Every picture tells a story. There is propaganda in every publication, one mans freedom fighter is an others terrorist. Grow up.
 

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Your thinking is flawed, I knew this picture was not taken by an American. You always seem to be trying to fit a square into a circle. There is more than two perspective.Yours and the American perspective are JUST two. The world does not revolve around American and you. Think man,Think.
 

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You look at a picture, and you don't even know what you are looking at. Don't you think you should know who took a picture and for what reason before you jump off a bridge ? Your a a perfect example of the small thinking that has us in this mess. You are a perfect fit for a job in this administration. CLUE : start at the end and work your way back. If you can't get back don't do it. Tell your pals at the white house this formula. It works. if you don't know how the story ends, don't open the book.
 

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you like those pictures bryanz? Sad. Doesn't matter who took it, it was in an American paper, not a French/Arab paper.
 

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i hear you 6`5'...i`ve never been a sniper.....but i know enough about it to know that a real sniper never rests his weapon on a solid object......

that is,any sniper that knows what he`s doing....
 

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gardenweasel said:
i hear you 6`5'...i`ve never been a sniper.....but i know enough about it to know that a real sniper never rests his weapon on a solid object......

that is,any sniper that knows what he`s doing....

Yep, the more I look at it, the more I think it is staged for sure. know what? The silence is deafening in this thread. Guess some who view this forum think these pictures/comments and the NY Times paying to take them and print them in their paper/website is ok??
 

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SixFive said:
know what? The silence is deafening in this thread. Guess some who view this forum think these pictures/comments and the NY Times paying to take them and print them in their paper/website is ok??

I guess it's that a picture of an enemy combatant doesn't make most people here start foaming at the mouth. :shrug:
 

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I guess it's that a picture of an enemy combatant doesn't make most people here start foaming at the mouth. :shrug:

wouldn't make me upset either if it were an Al Jazeera picture, but when an American news outlet is paying for this to be taken, then it upsets me.
 

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The most outlandish thing is equating any one with "incredible courage" that hides in caves and among women and children--targets civilians---planting bombs and shooting at enemy 100's of yards away when you can retreat un-noticed into civlian population is not would I would deem couragious---now if he had spent 12 hours or a day crawling inside enemy territory to accomplish mission I would give him nod for courage and abilty--there was a time when I thought those committing suicide had courage--but have come to understand they have no more courage than anyone that committs suicide.What makes this lot dff from Japanese is no one is "falling on their sword" rather than surrender--its a religious thing--if they don't think action is one way ticket to the hereafter they run or surrender.
 

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I agree that calling it 'incredible courage' is absurd. Fawning even. But them running the picture doesn't really bother me.
 
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