more queran stories in the media....

gardenweasel

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U.S. Confirms Gitmo Soldier Kicked Quran




WASHINGTON (AP) - U.S. military officials say no guard at the Guantanamo Bay prison for terror suspects flushed a detainee's Quran down the toilet, but they disclosed that a Muslim holy book was splashed with urine. In other newly disclosed incidents, a detainee's Quran was deliberately kicked and another's was stepped on.

On March 25, a detainee complained to guards that "urine came through an air vent" and splashed on him and his Quran. A guard admitted he was at fault, but a report released Friday evening offering new details about Quran mishandling incidents did not make clear whether the guard intended the result.

In another confirmed incident, water balloons thrown by prison guards caused an unspecified number of Qurans to get wet, and in a confirmed but ambiguous case, a two-word obscenity was written in English on the inside cover of a Quran.

The findings, released after normal business hours Friday evening and after the major TV networks had aired their evening news programs, are among the results of an investigation last month by Brig. Gen. Jay Hood, the commander of the detention center in Cuba. A Newsweek magazine report - later retracted - that a U.S. soldier had flushed one Guantanamo Bay detainee's Quran down a toilet triggered the investigation.

The story stirred worldwide controversy, and the Bush administration blamed it for deadly demonstrations in Afghanistan.

Hood said in a written statement released with the new details that his investigation "revealed a consistent, documented policy of respectful handling of the Quran dating back almost 2 1/2 years."

Lawrence Di Rita, chief spokesman for Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, did not address the confirmed incidents of mishandling the Muslim holy book. Reached while traveling with Rumsfeld in Asia, he said U.S. Southern Command policy calls for "serious, respectful and appropriate" handling of the Quran.

"The Hood inquiry would appear to affirm that policy," Di Rita said.

Hood said that of nine mishandling cases that were studied in detail by reviewing thousands of pages of written records, five were confirmed. He could not determine conclusively whether the other four took place.

In one of the unconfirmed cases, a detainee in April 2003 complained to FBI and other interrogators that guards "constantly defile the Quran." The detainee alleged that in one instance a female military guard threw a Quran into a bag of wet towels to anger another detainee, and he also alleged that another guard said the Quran belonged in the toilet and that guards were ordered to do these things.

Hood said he found no other record of this detainee mentioning any Quran mishandling. The detainee has since been released.

In the March incident, as described in the report, the guard had left his observation post to go outside to urinate. The wind blew his urine through an air vent into the cell block. The guard's supervisor reprimanded him and assigned him to gate guard duty, where he had no contact with detainees, for the rest of his assignment at Guantanamo Bay.

In another of the confirmed cases, a contract interrogator stepped on a detainee's Quran in July 2003 and then apologized. "The interrogator was later terminated for a pattern of unacceptable behavior, an inability to follow direct guidance and poor leadership," the Hood report said.

Hood also said his investigation found 15 cases of detainees mishandling their own Qurans. "These included using a Quran as a pillow, ripping pages out of the Quran, attempting to flush a Quran down the toilet and urinating on the Quran," Hood's report said. It offered no possible explanation for the detainees' motives.

In the most recent of those 15 cases, a detainee on Feb. 18 allegedly ripped up his Quran and handed it to a guard, stating that he had given up on being a Muslim. Several guards witnessed this, Hood reported.

Last week, Hood disclosed he had confirmed five cases of mishandling of the Quran, but he refused to provide details. Allegations of Quran desecration at Guantanamo Bay have led to anti-American passions in many Muslim nations, although Pentagon officials have insisted that the problems were relatively minor and that U.S. commanders have gone to great lengths to enable detainees to practice their religion in captivity.

Hood said last week he found no credible evidence that a Quran was ever flushed down a toilet. He said a prisoner who was reported to have complained to an FBI agent in 2002 that a military guard threw a Quran in the toilet has since told Hood's investigators that he never witnessed any form of Quran desecration.

Other prisoners who were returned to their home countries after serving time at Guantanamo Bay as terror suspects have alleged Quran desecration by U.S. guards, and some have said a Quran was placed in a toilet.

There are about 540 detainees at Guantanamo Bay. Some have been there more than three years without being charged with a crime. Most were captured on the battlefields of Afghanistan in 2001 and 2002 and were sent to Guantanamo Bay in hope of extracting useful intelligence about the al-Qaida terrorist network."""

now,just impeach bush.....

and then, maybe, the media will look in the mirror and actually decide that they are americans before they are journalists....


i pray that this ends this crap.....

because if i hear one more journalist say,"i support the troops",i`m going to track them down and beat them to a bloody fricking pulp....
just for self satisfaction....

seriously....
maybe the media can focus on something else for a change.....

a positive story...maybe once a month...

that would be a pleasant change of pace....
 

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Somebody farts in the same room as thier bible.....causing riots and deaths.....

.....and some people actually think we can put troops on the ground there and nobody there will care enough to grab a rifle or fill a car or vest with explosives?

Good luck with that equation.
 

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gw,

This isn't the media; the Newsweek story was retracted. wtf is the military putting this information out there for if we've seen the results of what happens when this story was an unconfirmed report?

If we're trying to make this look like it isn't a christian-islam conflict, then we're doing a pretty poor job.
 

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One of the abuses was not wearing a glove while touching the quran, what slays me is we gave them these books while being detained...talk about a red herring. Didn't one of those idiots just blow themselves up in a mosque a couple of days ago? I am sure that damaged the "sacred text" however you don't see the outrage over it.
 

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exactly

why do these islamofasciists come anywhere close to a Koran?

are we this stupid?

they can read all about Mohammed and how he raped and murdered and these pukes can thus continue to be indoctrinated about their hero in our own prisons!!!

unbelievable
 

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Great point BBC why wasn't there more murders and riots after the military admits to abusing the Quaran? Kind of makes you wonder if there ever was any in the first place or if the Corporate Media blew it out of proportion to further manipulate the free press.
 

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...it`s an islamofascist vs "anybody that doesn`t believe as they do" conflict....and we are the leader of the free world of non-believers......that puts us squarely in their crosshairs... of course,as we`ve seen,we aren`t alone as this is becoming a global issue..

they`d like to make it an "islam vs the infidel" holy war.....and the media is doing everything in their power to accommodate them...

i believe that the military is trying to end this constant barrage from the media by clearing the air,so to speak...

the question is...and has been,"why is this the media`s holy grail?"....

i say it`s a political hammer they can wield against the bush administartion...


o.k....so,out of some 70,000 detainees,some abuse happened....the level of abuse seems for the most part,relatively minor in the larger scheme of things...

considering the other side is wacking civilians in the most brutal manner possible...sawing their heads off....

and blowing up innocents in their quest to start a full blown civil war...

yet,amnesty int`l chooses to single the u.s. out for these abuses and makes a ridiculous comparison to "the soviet gulags"...pitiful.....


some of it happened "handling a holy book"....which WE provided in 13 different languages....also,culturally sensitive food,prayer mats and who knows what the hell else..

it happens everyday in prisons across this country..in every country......it would happen in the most perfect society.....

humans are fallible...flawed....there will always be situations in which some bad eggs are caught doing stupid things...

the difference is that this isn`t our policy(believe me,it`s not) and the offenders are sanctioned...

is it worthy of 70-odd front page headlines in the n.y.times?...of course not....

and the extent to which this has become the main story in our country,which it has,amazingly enough,plays very well in the middle east,with the al jazeera`s and the bbc`s(not you,bobby..lol)

if you don`t think that this stuff undermines our troops and helps the terrorist recruiting and propaganda campaign,well...then you probably thought jane fonda posing on top of a viet cong tank was a nifty idea....

all the liberals and the media seem to operate under the old adage,"One should always play fairly when one has the winning cards".....

well,we now know after viet nam that that old saw isn`t worth the tablet it was carved into...


i leave you with one thought....try and remember that even if john kerry had won the last election,these guys would still be trying to kill you and yours.....

our little political obsessions don`t mean jack to these guys...
 
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They really have a problem if there book is there whole life. I start walking around everyday with a bible. Folks will think I need a room with out windows. In fact we are starting to get a few to many folks here in U S that do act that way. Maybe we should just get our nuts to face off with theres.
 

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Hey, I ain't above blowing them to Kingdome Come but you will have to ask the people running this war why we are not? Don't keep blaming the media.
 

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If I was in charge I would take them about 50 at a time. Put them in heavy steel cages made for one person only.

Get a military plane. Make a daily flight.

Fly over the open ocean.

Fish food.

No more korans, no more muslim meals. No more taxpayers money.

Come on they are al queda terrorist. If they get a chance and are set free, we will hear from them again.
 
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