Murtha-PA calls for immediate pullout from Iraq

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He has been one of the biggest "Hawks" on the Dems side but now he wants the troops pulled. He responded to possible attacks by Bush-Cheney for his comments to pull the troops by basically stating that he didn't care since neither one of them served and they don't understand about being a solider in a war.




WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A Democratic congressional leader on defense called on Thursday for an immediate withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq, increasing pressure for a change in Bush administration policy just days after the Senate asked for a plan to end the war.


"The U.S. cannot accomplish anything further in Iraq militarily. It is time to bring them home," said Rep. John Murtha (news, bio, voting record) of Pennsylvania, the senior Democrat on the House of Representatives subcommittee that oversees military spending and one of his party's top spokesmen on defense.

Murtha's remarks followed a string of attacks by President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney against critics of the administration's Iraq war policy and its handling of intelligence that led to the war.

Murtha, who has a hawkish voting record and supported the Iraq war but criticized Bush's handling of it, urged the administration to "immediately redeploy U.S. troops consistent with the safety of U.S. forces."

Murtha is a Vietnam War veteran and a retired Marine colonel who has served as a trusted defense adviser to presidents of both parties. He said he will introduce a resolution calling for the return of U.S. forces in Iraq "at the earliest practicable date."

He called the war "a flawed policy wrapped in illusion" and noted a shift in public sentiment against the war.

"The American public is way ahead of the members of Congress," he said. "It's time for a change in direction. Our military is suffering. The future of our country is at risk," he said.

Just a handful of Democrats who had opposed the war from the start have called for a quick withdrawal. Most have called on the administration to provide a plan for withdrawal, based on conditions on the ground.

The administration has vehemently opposed any mention of withdrawal timetables, which is calls a "cut and run" strategy that would only fuel the insurgency. It is trying to build up Iraq's military so that U.S. troops can eventually leave.

INSURGENT TARGETS

But Murtha argued that U.S. troops have become the targets who have united the insurgency, and that continued deployments are breaking the military.

He said he believed U.S. troops could be withdrawn within six months. There are 153,000 U.S. troops in Iraq, increased from the usual 138,000 to tighten security for elections in October and December. Another 22,000 troops from U.S. allies are also serving in Iraq.

Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman, asked about Murtha's proposal, said Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and top U.S. military officials had "outlined, I think, adequately ... what the strategy is for the U.S. military there and the conditions that will need to be met in order to be able to start reducing the size of the military force there."

Murtha said a "quick reaction force" should be kept to deal with emergencies in the region, but not with a possible civil war in Iraq. Iraq's stability should be pursued diplomatically, not militarily, he said.

"We cannot continue on the present course. It is evident that continued military action in Iraq is not in the best interest of the United States of America, the Iraqi people or the Persian Gulf region," Murtha said.

The Republican-controlled Senate on Tuesday overwhelmingly backed a resolution saying the Iraqis should start taking the lead in their own security next year to allow a phased withdrawal, but it rejected a Democratic resolution demanding that Bush provide an estimated timetable.

(additional reporting by Charles Aldinger)
 

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LOL another democrat wants to surrender and come home losers. Why does that not surprise me. I guess when Hillary said last week that a pullout would be a mistake, she was not thinking straight?

So who does Mr. Murtha think will take over Iraq if we were to come home??? AL QUEDA!!!!!!!!

So we come home in defeat and let Al Queda take over Iraq?? Yeah that outta keep us all safe!!! LOL
 

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If Bush and his war mongers knew how to fight a war properly our troops would have already been home and victorious.

Inept
 

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You obviously don't even know how our military works.

Bush listens and derives his military strategy from military commanders on the ground and at Central Command. Hundreds of high raking generals are involved. If you do not like the pace of the war then you should be writing letters to the Pentagon.

Not fast enough huh??

That sound you hear Clem is the sound of a ballot dropping into an Iraqi election box.
 
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actually the sound I heard was the lid being slammed on another Gi's coffin. Or was it a suicide bomber?

Or was it Bin Laden frolicking like a school girl free as a bird?
 

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and no its not fast enough.

Who can forget rumsfeld Cheney and wolfowitz stating it would be over in weeks rather than months

or "mission Accomplished"
 

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CHARLESMANSON said:
wants to surrender and come home losers.

At what point would you consider us 'winners?'

When the attacks stop? Ummm, that's never.

When we kill all the terrorists? Laughable.

When a peaceful, tolerant, non-Islam run democracy is set up? Keep dreaming.

When there is no threat of civil war when we leave? Never happen.

So Manson, what will the conditions be in Iraq that we can come home 'winners', in your opinion?
 

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It wont matter how long we stayed since any chance of controlling and winning over the country was lost within the first 6 weeks of occupation due to a piss poor plan going into the war by the administration. It also is not going to matter how long we stay since the most likely eventual outcome is going to be a civil war amongst the religious sects in Iraq. Again, I ask the question, at this point whom should we trust more a man like Murtha whom has been in battle and understands what our troops are facing, or a man that has no credibility in Dick Cheney?
 

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The guy is right in what he said. We went there to get Saddam. Done. We went there because of WMD's and I guess were done there were none. So were done bring them home is not a bad idea. Maybe the Iraqi's should take care them self.
 

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Yeah, I agree with you guys. There are all these people dying in this war. I went to the game the other night and guess what was going on in the bathroom when i went to take a leak? a bunch of dudes PEEING IN THE URINALS. can you imagine that? I wonder what the people who made the bathroom thinnk of such nonsense. urination and bathrooms don't go hand and hand!!

should they have stopped urinating by now. lshheesh.
 

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Yeah, I agree with you guys. There are all these people dying in this war. I went to the game the other night and guess what was going on in the bathroom when i went to take a leak? a bunch of dudes PEEING IN THE URINALS. can you imagine that? I wonder what the people who made the bathroom thinnk of such nonsense. urination and bathrooms don't go hand and hand!!

should they have stopped urinating by now. lshheesh.



scribble pad --

It depends on how much PEE has to come out. The pee is either clear or it's yellow. Sometimes, when there is a lot of pee you get this sensation of relief. Kind of like when you take a massive dump. It's funny, at times those urinals have little cakes in them that is supposed to keep urinal smelling "fresh", but in reality they only serve to splatter the pee all over (and on yourself). Yuck!!!
You're right, peeing can be a messy thing. It's how you aim it and how you control the force of the pee that determines the amount of peripheral splatter. I personally try not to step in the pee that has splattered on the floor in front of the urinal, but you're probably different. After all, when ya gotta go, ya gotta go....even at the ignorance of getting the bottom of your shoes wet with pee. :)
 

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yeah, i agree gecko. LOL at scribble pad!! that DOES rhyme!
You are the master of toilet humor...
thank you for helping with the parallels
Two shocking points:

war and bathrooms. Its always messy

my new book is entilted: WAR AND PEES by scribble pad.
:mj12: :bigun:
 

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when the dems find a few veterans....murtha...the clark boys(wesley and ramsey...lol)..that disagree with the war....it obviously means that that represents the prevailing sentiment of most vets....

that`s laughable...ask the men in the field...the generals serving right now...

anyone with half a brain realizes that cutting and running would be a disaster...

is that what you guys are proposing?....`cause,that`s what murtha is proposing...

you agree with murtha?...that there should be an immediate "redeployment"(politically correct democratic-speak for withdrawal or surrender)....

your beloved john mccain doesn`t agree...even hillary doesn`t...

is that what you guys want?...can you take a stand and at least do something that the democratic party can`t seem to do?....

state a definitive position on this war....

do you agree with murtha that we should cut and run?....

or do you disagree with your hero....do you think that we should stay until the iraqi`s have a better handle on defending their new government?...

stay awhile longer...to try and salvage all that`s gone before this....or just quit?

isn`t it silly...to now... just quit?...

that`s what zerqawi is counting on...he has stated that the u.s. won`t have the will to see this thing through...he cites viet nam..somalia....

that`s become this generation`s modus operandi...

he sees the assistance that the media gives him...


unfortunately,he`s probably right...
 

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Cutting and running would be a disaster.. I subscribe to McCain who wants to revamp the whole thing as this is embarrassing to us as a nation the way we have no control over there
 

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Yeah, there's no way we can just withdraw right now but I find it very unlikely that we will leave that country anywhere near a peaceful, secular democracy.

That said, we need to take a year or 18 more months and get things working as well as we possibly can. That will make 4 years, maybe 300 billion and around 3,000 lives that we put into it. If at that point they don't have the will to run their own country, then so be it. We tried our best.

I would not consider that cutting and running or surrendering. I would consider that giving a country an opportunity to run without a particular ruthless dictator. What they do with it is up to them. We cannot (and I predict will not) impose democracy on a country. At least not a democracy that will necessarily last once we leave. That is up to them, not us. We will have done our best to give them a choice, albeit at huge costs to America.

It's likely that they will become a hard core Islam state, in the mold (and likely great influence) of Iran. It is what it is and if it becomes that, then we will have to deal with an actual threat later, but what's done is done.

All this talk of staying until we 'win' is ridiculous and unrealistic. There is no such thing as 'winning', or 'losing' for that matter in Iraq. Neither is really an appropriate term in regards to how long we stay. I guess one could make a case of whether we won or lost based on what happens after we leave.

So I would say give it another 18 months, train everybody as best we can, and get the hell out of there because nothing on the streets will ever change with our troops being blown up almost daily. Let's just face that fact. We could stay 10 more years and the so-called insurgency will be no less in 2015.

Let's also face the fact that we will have likely turned a secular, non-threat of a country into a terrorist playground and one that will ultimately be run by radical Islams. I'm not sure that there's anything we can do about that, and that's the saddest thing about this.
 

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No we can't just stop and all come home. But if the Iraqis don't start to step up faster and Handle there future screw em.
And for that dumb chit Reb to call this guy a coward is total BS. He Hasket never served. At least this guy served two terms in Nam and received to purple hearts. A coward he is not. And he does have it right about the Iraqi's step up or screw you.
 

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Clem D said:
this is embarrassing to us as a nation the way we have no control over there

No control????

Gee, I wonder how they had an election with a higher voter turnout than we did?

I wonder why there is a new government with a new constitution??

I wonder why the rape rooms are closed?

I wonder why women can vote now?

I wonder why Saddam is in custody?

Should I go on??????

The only thing that's embarrassing is when the Democrats who all said Saddam had WMD's are now the one's calling the president a liar. It's embarrassing when you have U.S. Senators voting to authorize force then Monday morning QBing after we are already there.

It's also embarrassing when Bill Clinton yesterday goes over to the Middle East and slams our own war effort!!!!!!

Especially after Clinton said this.......

"And mark my words, he will develop weapons of mass destruction. He will deploy them, and he will use them."
 
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