murtha...somebody explain this pantload to me...

[gardenweasel]

i apologize for coming on so strongly in a few other threads.........i`ve been pissed for several days ...about john murtha...

can anyone explain to me why a former military man/congressman ....would utter such a phrase on national t.v. knowing we have soldiers in harm`s way?...

""The marines, if they can get away with it, then other marines would do the same thing.""
-- Rep. John Murtha, on ABC's "This Week," on the alleged incident in Haditha....

honestly...when i heard that comment it totally ruined my memorial day....

i don`t care what your f-cking political affiliation is...

after five years of various combat, one small u.s. unit wigged out after a buddy was shot and did something they should not do.......after how many millions of hours of combat, one, count it, one unit may have done something terrible......

the opponents of america hold us to an impossible standard, one of the things that makes war so terrible is that in the stress of the fight, people do awful things.....

it looks like indictments and punishment will follow...and rightfully so...

but....why say THAT?

 

[smurphy]

........i`ve been pissed for several days ...

The biggest understatement I have ever read. :com:

 

[gardenweasel]

:142smilie ........on my way to the peanutfarm...... :look:

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

I could never in my wildest dreams fathom a retired marine refering to fellow marines as cold blooded killers-absolutely mind boggeling--

 

[kosar]

I could never in my wildest dreams fathom a retired marine refering to fellow marines as cold blooded killers-absolutely mind boggeling--

If it's true that they killed 24 innocent civilians, including a 77 year old man in a wheelchair and children starting at age 4 as the reports suggest, then that's exactly what those particular Marines are. I say *if*.

These are the people we are *supposedly* over there to 'save' from Saddam.

WTF would you people call anyone who blew up a market in Omaha, Nebraska killing 2 dozen?

Would that be 'mind-boggling' to call them cold blooded killers?

I'll say again, IF it's true.

 

[gardenweasel]

but kosar...you`re giving the soldiers one thing that murtha isn`t...the benefit of the doubt...until the investigation is concluded....and we agree...

but,if any one side is responsible for deliberately blurring the distinction between combatants and civilians, it's not the men and women wearing uniforms.....

note that when we bomb terrorist hideouts in afghanistan and iraq there are almost automatic claims that we bombed a "wedding party" or something of that sort....

secondly, our enemies go way our of their way to ensure civilian casualties.....they see the deaths of their own civilians as a victory--the dead become martyrs and their deaths create wonderful propaganda opportunities......

not making excuses...just giving some perspective...

they may well be guilty......so, lets see the investigation...

that`s all i`d expect from murtha...

i`d vote for you,my friend, before i`d vote for that "thing"....

why was he silent when saddam ran children through the grinders or when american contractors were butchered in fallujah?...nick berg was decapitated....

he doesn`t scream on the talk shows about what happens to any american who falls into enemy hands......

the enemy has no prison camps for the few dozen prisoners (at most) they have taken in this war......if the soldier is lucky they are killed on the spot, if not, they get tortured first.....no american prisoner/ soldier in this war has been let go for mercy. ...

. if innocents died, it is regretful.....and military justice should be forthcoming....i`m with you...

now let's see the daily murder of innocents by jihadi swine all over the world receive even 1:1,000,000th of the attention this incident has already received and will continue to receive for years to come.....

""The marines, if they can get away with it, then other marines would do the same thing.""

i think that`s unacceptable...before thecompletion of the investigation...

no way this guy belongs on ..a)american t.v...b)the nation's payroll....

and if you wrote in c)" the planet", that would also be an acceptable answer(i.m.humble.o)....


this is why i have problems with some high profile democratic politicians...

john kerry..."our Marines TERRORIZE women and children in the middle of the night.

he frigging says "TERRORIZE"....

honestly..this is what subversives do...not u.s. politicians...they weaken patriotism, suggest that crimes and horrors happen everywhere, etc....

what is there goal?...to undermine the military for political purposes?

historical perspective:

it's "my lai" all over again (while ignoring for instance the completely atrocious hue massacres committed by the north vietnamese army).....

same shit, different year.....

i could go on...but,i`ll spare smurphy.... :SIB

"congressmen who willfully take actions that damage morale and undermine the military are sabotuers, and should be arrested exiled or hanged."

abraham lincoln .....honest abe lincoln....

 

[AR182]

the problem that i have with murtha is that he has convicted these soldiers before the investigation has been completed.....& is acting very irresponsible...

his constantly blasting the military is agenda driven & imo is a perfect example of what's wrong with our culture.....

let the evidence determine what happened & not speculation....

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Matt I am sure that cold blooded killing does occur in isolated incidents whether it be this time or another--as in all wars you will have some lose it--my prob is how certain elements hype these incidents making them appear the norm rather than the exception.

The terrorist are in unique situation--they can target women and children and also use them for shields.Is evident in pakistan where they hide by night in midst of women and children with in tribes that support them. When the shit hits the fan all you here is the civilian casuaties. What would you do if you had command of men and bus full of women and children with terrorist aboard came by and shot up your men--do you return fire or let them go in fear civilians might be shot? Cilvilians are crucial element in terrorist stratagie.They can wear any uniform and put blame on who ever they want. In this particular incident they say there are witnesses---whose side are these witnesses on.
It is tough situation when one side has rules and the other side doesn't and have luxury (with aid of press) in exploiting our rules.

To emphasize my beef with media--you have few headlines from AP on Memorial day acknowleding our troops sacrifices but no problem bringing back old story of our troops supposedly killing refugees in Korean war.

 

[StevieD]

Typical "Shoot The Messenger Defense"

 

[AR182]

Typical "Shoot The Messenger Defense"

stevie....

do you see any problem with what murtha is doing ?

 

[Nosigar]

Typical "Shoot The Messenger Defense"

Uhhhh, the problem is the MESSAGE and the messenger.

 

[dr. freeze]

even if it is 100% accurate, this stuff should be kept internally and dealt with internally as we do not need any more negative propaganda put out there against the war effort as the leftist media does that enough

 

[kosar]

even if it is 100% accurate, this stuff should be kept internally and dealt with internally as we do not need any more negative propaganda put out there against the war effort as the leftist media does that enough

Yes, the leftist media really jumped all over this one. Didn't this alleged incident happen last November? When did you first hear about it?

And i'm sure the leftist media would love to get away from the Green Zone and into the peaceful Iraqi countryside where all the schools are being built and all that progress going on, but unfortunately there is a good chance they would be blown up.

 

[StevieD]

It looks like it wass not handled internally so no I do not have a problem with what he is doing. We are not at war with these people. The problem is the STUPID MISSION itself.

 

[AR182]

It looks like it wass not handled internally so no I do not have a problem with what he is doing. We are not at war with these people. The problem is the STUPID MISSION itself.

how do you know that it's not being handled internally ?

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

What it really comes down to AR is--

How can they do their rants about other countries (middle east in particluar) hating us if they don't keep stirring the pot-

By all means put anything negative on front page for 43 days to keep their middle east protesting brethern stirred up.

Quite diff from days of old when we were at war they showed clips supporting troops before every movie in theatres.

 

[djv]

How long ago was it we saw here in other post kill them all. Nuke the dam place many said level Iraq. My oh My as we find about the lies the music sounds so different. Most of Iraq people never had a issue with us. And we could have taken out Saddam a heck of a lot easier and cheaper. We will see if our cowboy has learned anything on how we Handel Iran.

 

[AR182]

a good article about haditha.....

a good article about haditha.....

The truth about Haditha

May 31, 2006

by Michelle Malkin

Email to a friend Print this page Text size: A A Democrat Rep. John "Cut and Run" Murtha thinks he knows the truth about Haditha -- and he has been blabbing it to every last cable show host that will host him. The loose-lipped former Marine has accused troops of wantonly killing some two dozen civilians, including children, "in cold blood" in the terrorist stronghold in Iraq last November. There are two ongoing military investigations into the incident itself and the actions of higher-ups in the Haditha aftermath.

Let me repeat that: The investigations are ongoing. Not complete. Official reports aren't expected for several weeks.

I do not know the truth about Haditha. Neither do Murtha and the media outlets calling the alleged massacre a massacre before all the facts are in. It would be helpful if they could handle these grave charges without serving as al Jazeera satellite offices. GOP Sen. John Warner, who like Murtha also served in the Marines, struck the right tone over the weekend -- refusing, unlike Murtha, to render a verdict against the Marines before trial and avoiding Bush Derangement Syndrome, but also taking the allegations very seriously.

I do know this. Children are dead. Other children have been orphaned. There are pictures of bullet holes and bloodied homes. There are evolving stories about what happened last Nov. 19 and serious allegations of a possible cover-up.


I also know this: Lance Cpl. Miguel Terrazas, the Marine who was killed by a roadside IED (improvised explosive device) that day, followed a proud family tradition of military service. He had received a commendation for bravery on his first tour of duty in Iraq in 2004. One of his fellow Marines said Terrazas's body was split in two by the bomb explosion that rocked his Hummer while on patrol that morning.

And there's this: Haditha is crawling with terrorists. The Associated Press points out that "in just three days last August, six Marine snipers were killed in Haditha and 14 Marines died in nearby Parwana in the deadliest roadside bombing of the war." Most-wanted al Qaeda leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi is reported to have lived in Haditha. The Washington Post quoted a military lawyer noting that Nov. 19 was the Marine 3rd Battalion's "hottest day" in Iraq.

"In addition to drone surveillance that day," the paper reported, "AV-8 Harriers were dropping bombs, helicopters were evacuating wounded, and a large firefight occurred about one-third of a mile from the site of the civilian shootings, said several people familiar with the investigation." Audio of radio traffic that day reportedly contradicts Rep. Murtha's claim that the Marines did not come under small-arms fire after the roadside explosion, according to one of the Post's military sources.

We know this, too: Naval Criminal Investigative Service officials have not turned their backs. Time magazine, which initially broke the story of survivors' accounts that prompted the military probe, reports that Haditha residents -- who have yet to be visited by any of Iraq's own officials -- "were gratified by [the investigation's] thoroughness" and "were especially impressed by the NCIS investigators" conducting three separate enquiries.

Finally, there is this incontrovertible fact: There are countless numbers of anti-war zealots on the American Left rooting for failure. They believe the worst about the troops. They've blindly embraced frauds who've lied about their military service and lied about wartime atrocities. They've allied themselves with socialist kooks and coddled murderous dictators. They are looking for any excuse to pull out, abandon military operations and reconstruction, and impeach the president.

They insist on giving suspected foreign terrorists more benefit of the doubt than our own men and women in uniform. And that, I know, I am not willing to do.

I will wait. I will pray. And I will remind you that while the murder of civilians is and remains an anomaly in American military history, it is the jihadists' way of life.

 

[smurphy]

Murtha is not the only congressman making comments that imply guilt. He's just the highest profile one.

?This was a small number of Marines who fired directly on civilians and killed them ? This is going to be an ugly story.?

-Republican house member, John Kline

 

[ctownguy]

quote: Finally, there is this incontrovertible fact: There are countless numbers of anti-war zealots on the American Left rooting for failure. They believe the worst about the troops. They've blindly embraced frauds who've lied about their military service and lied about wartime atrocities. They've allied themselves with socialist kooks and coddled murderous dictators. They are looking for any excuse to pull out, abandon military operations and reconstruction, and impeach the president.

They insist on giving suspected foreign terrorists more benefit of the doubt than our own men and women in uniform. And that, I know, I am not willing to do.

I will wait. I will pray. And I will remind you that while the murder of civilians is and remains an anomaly in American military history, it is the jihadists' way of life. unquote.

This describes you steveied and the rest of you lefties to a tee. Absolutely pathetic.

And believe be murtha is more of a left wing wacko than he ever was a marine, the fu**** moron.