muslim nations, thanks for your generosity!! It's overwhelming

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Think how oil filthy stinking rich some of these countries are. Glad they could shell out so much money to their fellow brethren in Tsunami racked countries. 82% of Indonesians practice Islam.


Saudi Arabia - $10 million.

? Iran $627,000 -

? Qatar - just $10 million

? The United Arab Emirates - $2.6 million.

? Kuwait - $2 million.

? Libya - $2 million.

? Turkey - $1.25 million.
 

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here's what's going to happen to all the aid money we are sending

here's what's going to happen to all the aid money we are sending

Al quaida and other terrorists will steal it and return it to us in the form of bombs. I feel for the plight of these poor people and these orphans, I really do. We have to be more careful than just throwing dollars at their countries.

http://www.nysun.com/article/7337

New York Sun Staff Editorial
January 7, 2005

The concern coursing through security circles over the billions of dollars going to Asia in the wake of the tsunami is one of those issues that is bigger than the airing it has yet received. It was epitomized by a photo we first saw in the New York Post of a Sri Lankan in a town stricken by the big wave wearing a T-shirt emblazoned with a picture of Osama bin Laden. It's not so much, though, a case of individuals who don't like us receiving rice and bottles of water - or even a new house. It's the danger that some significant amounts of what will become billions of dollars in emergency aid and forgiven loans will be siphoned off before it gets to individuals and diverted to institutions allied with our enemies.

No one - certainly not us - wants to discourage giving to the governments and institutions serving the devastated communities of the shores of Indonesia, Sri Lanka and Thailand. But we live in a world where humanitarian impulses can be seized upon by our enemies and our generosity can be manipulated and distorted. Look no further than the United Nations, whose secretary-general, in the midst of a historic investigation into its oil-for-food program, is suddenly demanding the "immediate" disbursement of billions of dollars in aid to countries where Muslim extremists, and their charities, are operating in the most dangerous ways.

Several people with whom The New York Sun spoke on the dangers of aid being hijacked in the wake of the tsunami were wary of speaking on the record, lest they be seen as being scrooge-like or uncharitable in the midst of what is, in Asia, a historic crisis. One who would comment on the record, Police Commissioner Kelly, made it clear that he wanted to see people give, but that they needed to take care that their giving would get to where they intended. Recently, the Ford Foundation, which had run into problems when its support for the United Nations Conference on Racism was used to finance anti-Israel and anti-Semitic agitation, has begun imposing restrictions on recipients to make sure that they would ensure that Ford's largesse was not used, even indirectly, to finance terrorism. In the case of the current crisis, it is none too soon to start devising protocols to make sure our charity is not mis-used in a time of war.
 

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another example of the overwhelming generosity...

another example of the overwhelming generosity...

http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/story.cfm?story=80097&ran=117573

Time to put your money where your mouth is
By DAVE ADDIS, The Virginian-Pilot
? January 5, 2005

Monday afternoon on CNN, a remarkable scene appeared during Wolf Blitzer?s report on the Asian tsunami relief efforts: A young Indonesian guy stood at the door of an American military helicopter, eagerly awaiting a handout of American food. He was wearing an angry, orange-on-black T-shirt that celebrated Osama bin Laden.

As with any human who is subject to regrettable bursts of low thinking, my first thought was, ?Why don?t you go find Osama and ask him for a sandwich??

Blitzer didn?t shrink from that thought, either.

He confronted his guest, William Cohen, a former senator and defense secretary, with that very question: Why should we help people who hate us?

Cohen, a moderate Republican, gave a predictably thoughtful, Cohen-like answer. He, too, was annoyed by the guy in the Islamic revolution T-shirt. But when people are hurting on such an unimaginable scale, he said, we don?t discriminate on the basis of religion or politics.



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We help because we should, he said, and because we can. Because it?s the right thing to do, a moral obligation. Because even with our military stretched so thin through the war in Iraq, no other government on the planet can pull off an operation like this faster and better and in such overwhelming numbers.

A moment of news-anchor perfection followed: Blitzer picked up that ?moral obligation? football and threw it 80 yards for a touchdown: If there?s a moral obligation to help, he asked, then where are the Muslim nations ? especially the oil-rich Persian Gulf states ? at a time when Indonesia, the most populous Muslim nation on the planet, has been dropped to its knees?

Ohhhhh, good question, Wolfman. Bill Cohen said something along the lines that those nations should be ashamed, then he and Wolf moved on to other matters.

But it?s a question that deserves an answer. So, courtesy of the Reuters news agency of Britain, here is a synopsis of tsunami-relief aid pledged as of Tuesday. I have re-ranked the list into unabashedly nonpolitically correct order, beginning with the ?infidels?:

Japan, $500 million; United States, $350 million; Norway, $180 million; Britain, $96 million; Italy, $95 million; Sweden, $80 million; Spain, $68 million; China, $61 million; France, $56 million; Denmark, $55 million; Australia, $47 million; European Union, $40 million; Netherlands, $34 million; Canada, $33 million; Germany, $27 million; Switzerland, $23 million; Ireland, $14 million; Portugal, $11 million; South Korea, $5 million; Taiwan, $5 million; African Union, $100,000 (the AU nations have human-calamity problems of their own, but should be congratulated for caring).

Here are the predominantly Muslim nations on the list:

Qatar, $25 million; Kuwait, $10 million; Saudi Arabia, $10 million; Algeria, $2 million; Bahrain, $2 million; Libya, $2 million; United Arab Emirates, $2 million; Turkey $1.25 million.

We can forgive Afghanistan and Iraq for their absence, for obvious reasons. But where is Iran?

Egypt? Pakistan? Oman? Morocco? The oil-soaked sultanate of Brunei? Where are Jordan, Syria and Lebanon? And why are Bahrain, Kuwait and the Saudis such cheapskates when their spiritual brothers and sisters are dying by the tens of thousands?

Kuwait is a good case in point. Kuwait is running a $10 billion budget surplus, according to The New York Times, and recently distributed huge wads of cash ? some $700 million ? to its citizens, courtesy of a doubling of the price of oil.

Kuwaitis, being wealthy, do not like to get their hands dirty. They import tens of thousands of foreign workers ? more than half of Kuwait?s population, many from Indonesia and India ? to cook their meals, scrub their toilets, tend to their children and wax their Jaguars.

They are not heartless. A Kuwaiti newspaper reminded its citizens the other day that they should allow their domestic help to use the telephone to check back home to see if their families have been wiped out.

Gee, thanks, boss. May Allah, praised be his name, reward your boundless munificence.

In the early days of this disaster, President Bush was subjected to the usual international sneers for his shuffling silence and our initial, paltry-looking pledge. Bush was embarrassingly slow off the mark, that?s true. But he and the U.S. military ? particularly the Navy ? have rebounded, as have other wealthy nations, East and West. Among the first to reach Sri Lanka after the disaster was a fast-moving medical team from Israel.

Meanwhile, the leaders of several nations in the Middle East, and especially the oil-rich Persian Gulf, are where they always are: stroking their beards, sucking tea through a sugar cube, making excuses and wallowing in their victimhood while the ?infidels? haul the freight.

I sincerely hope that the young guy in the Osama bin Laden T-shirt, the one standing in line by the U.S. Navy helicopter, got fed. I hope his family is OK. I hope he survives, and that he and those who are close to him can rebuild their lives.

And I hope that the next time the mullahs try to rally that young man to sharpen his sword and slay his enemies, he will give a fair amount of thought to that proposition.
 

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From Sri Lanka... Look at the man directly above the head of the man on the stretcher. Nice shirt, pos! :cursin: This is where our money is going. I know I won't be contributing. I already give so much locally but if I were to give extra, I think it would be to buy our soldiers headstones or to pay for more BP vests.

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sorry, mods, move this to politics and religion if needed. I've probably delved too much into that realm. Thanks.
 
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Guess we're not their type

Guess we're not their type

?Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book (Christians and Jews), until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.? (Koran 9:29)

?If you meet those who are infidels or non-believers, you cut their heads off and tie things around their necks, start a war and God will give victory and those who will die in the war fighting God will not forget their acts.? (Koran 47:4)

?And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere.? (Koran 8:39)

?They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level [with them]. So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn renegades, seize them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them,? (Koran 4:89)

?If anyone desires a religion other than Islam [submission to Allah], never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost.?
(Aal ?Imraan 3:85)

"O you who believe! Do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people." (Koran 5:51)

?These two antagonists dispute with each other about their Lord: But those who deny [their Lord], - for them will be cut out a garment of Fire: over their heads will be poured out boiling water. With it will be scalded what is within their bodies, as well as [their] skins. In addition there will be maces of iron [to punish] them. Every time they wish to get away there from, from anguish, they will be forced back therein, and [it will be said], ?Taste ye the Penalty of Burning!? (Koran 22:19-22)

"Thou seest many of them turning in friendship to the Unbelievers (non-Muslims). Evil indeed are (the works) which their souls have sent forward before them (with the result), that Allah's wrath is on them, and in torment will they abide." (Koran 5:80)
 

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I think it's an unfair comparison to put up raw numbers from industrialized nations vs. numbers from third world countries. I mean, I would have no clue about the tsunami tragedy if not for our media, and we know the press is not exactly free in those countries. I also have no clue how well those countries are able to make room in their budget for foreign aid. America can get money whenever it wants for whatever it wants so it is easy for us to send aid.

As far as some poor villager wearing a Bin Laden t-shirt, who the hell cares? I find it pretty shallow when people pick and choose who to distribute charity to based on ideological beliefs. That is why Christian missionaries are so reviled in many countries. They bring food and clothing, but you have to take a Bible to get it. I say take the high moral ground and help those who need it when you are able to. Even if you decide not to help, it's vindictive and evil to post in threads like these in an effort to prevent those in need from getting help.

Last comment I'll make is about America's generosity in general. I take offense when people (admittedly mostly liberals) complain about the United States being cheap because of the percentage of our GNP that we give in charity. The U.S. is far more privatized than many other countries so it only makes sense that private citizens of this country (who are extremely generous in my opinion) would make up an abnormally large percentage of charitible contributions compared to the government.
 

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where does the money that gamblers send to foreign countries go? mom & pop bookies?
 

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look at all the crap that people have been saying about bush not stepping up to the plate immediately, then look at what the muslim countries have donated. you are not supposed to beat your chest when you do good thing's, but those countries that cheered on 9/11 dont give a crap about their own people. they spend more driving down rodeo dr. in beverly hills than they give these poor people. i think they should be exposed.
Thanks for the info 6-5.
 

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Nick Douglas said:
As far as some poor villager wearing a Bin Laden t-shirt, who the hell cares? I find it pretty shallow when people pick and choose who to distribute charity to based on ideological beliefs. That is why Christian missionaries are so reviled in many countries. They bring food and clothing, but you have to take a Bible to get it. I say take the high moral ground and help those who need it when you are able to. Even if you decide not to help, it's vindictive and evil to post in threads like these in an effort to prevent those in need from getting help.

Shallow to pick and choose who you give to?? Are you serious??? High moral ground? You don't know what that is. Vindictive and evil? I'm just posting stone cold facts, people can surely give to whomever they choose. The countries I listed might be technically third-world, but they are oil, filthy, stinking rich. I'll choose to give to folks who are thankful and/or from my own country before I'll give it to unthankful dogs. Let's let Osama and the muslim freedom fighters contribute to this fund. Oh, I forgot, they don't give a chit about them.

Give to who you want; I give really more than I should to what I believe are good causes that are thankful for the gift. Places where I have been that I know use it and need it. Do you think these muslims will be thankful for monetary gifts and aid? Of course they will be, IF THEY GET IT. I'm sure we'll have stories soon on some news outlets about how x amount of aid was stolen/taken. Maybe they'll even set up warlord type deals like in Africa. I won't be suprised, nor will I be suprised if Al Qaida just gets richer and more influential in these areas. Give now, get it back later in the form terror and destruction. My warning is not against giving to these people, but if you do, make darn sure you give it to a reputable charity that you have researched thoroughly.

I do agree with your last paragraph, and I'll add that liberals in general need to put their money where there mouth is. I'm still overwhelmed by John Kerry's tax records and donations from past years. How much did Soros give to defeat Bush?? How about M. Moore? I'm sure they'll give more than that to this relief effort, right? :142lmao:
 
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Love is something you feel and do.

Helping someone is one thing.

Helping someone who despises you is quite another.

Read the parable of The Good Samaritan.

If my understanding is correct, the Samaritan helped and cared for someone who hated him.
 

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nick,
to me it is reprehensible that the guy is wearing a bin laden t-shirt like he just bought it in the parking lot at a Van Halen concert.(showing my age).
He is a mass murderer.
 

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I agree Six Five! We always seem to help countries in need and only to get screwed by them later on down the road!!! :cool:
 

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Mj,

You missed my point about the Bin Laden t-shirt and the media. We aren't privy to what the media outlets in those countries portray, so how on earth are we supposed to accurately judge what type of t-shirts are O.K. to wear. Maybe the little guy is militant, but maybe he's just poor and there were people in his area handing out free Bin Laden t-shirts. IMO it's just silly to judge based on a picture like that.

SixFive,

Rationalize it all you want, but the point of your second post in this thread was to discourage folks from contributing to international organizations devoted to tsunami relief.

"Al quaida and other terrorists will steal it and return it to us in the form of bombs."

That is an exact quote taken in context that really qualifies as uninformed, paranoid misinformation. People on this board should know that you give more than just about anyone else I've ever met, but I still find it terrible to actively discourage giving relief to victims of the recent tsunami. Posting that you should be careful which organizations you support: great. Posting that there are other causes that should be supported that may get less publicity: great. Using 'terrorist' paranoia to discourage giving to legitimately needy people: bad.

Last note is that you make great points about ruthless people frequently diverting charity into their own pockets, but in my view that's not a reason to simply give up trying to help. Remember, if the ultimate worry here is that we are making America less safe by giving aid to Southeast Asia, then maybe we need to step back again and look inward at what we've done to make people so aggressively angry towards us. People who argue that, 'it's in their nature,' 'they hate our freedom,' or, 'their religion promotes violence,' have absolutely no understanding of why the conflict exists.
 

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Nick,
To be quite honest with you there are plenty of needy people in our own country and plenty of charitable organizations to give to. To understand why they hate us one must read the Koran and look no further as it promotes holy war.
Had Sri Lanka paid the money for the Tsunami early warning system instead they may not have had such terrible a outcome from the tsunami. I think people can do whatever they want with their donations without the "social diatribe" of turning the other cheek. To be quite honest with you I could care less why they hate us. I did nothing to them, do not support efforts to harm them nor do I expect anything from them except a hand held out at every turn.
 

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Nick, thanks for the compliment, I think, lol. I think I will be a bit paranoid about giving to this cause. Hope the money really gets to those who need it. Seems like there's going to be enough to go around from all the non-muslim countries and Christian people who are donating.
 

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"I think it's an unfair comparison to put up raw numbers from industrialized nations vs. numbers from third world countries"...

that was the really ridiculous part of nick`s post.....particularly considering the fact that many muslims are victims of the disaster...2 mill from the united arab emirates?......and kuwait?....

that`s hard to justify,......


but,seeing the way that the palestinians are treated by their brethren,i`m not at all surprised....
 

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Hang on, in the USA we are being forced to have censorship rammed down our frickin throats... can't say this, can't say that on tv, can't show this, can't show that, live tv is pretty much gone because of the need for censors on the delay....
You can't freaking say penis on the damn tv anymore.

But we can put out pictures of lil fockers running around in bin laden - a mass murder - tshirts?

People call for boycotting of tv stations and radio stations because they are "Pro bush/Pro Kerry" (take your pick)
And no one even thinks twice about it.

And yet we are more worried about a bunch of 3rd world countries calling us cheap because we won't give millions of dollars to a group of countries that have been touched and led by terrorist cells that attack and destroy Americans.

AND WE HAVE BEEN GUILT TRIPPED TO GIVING EVEN MORE!

Tomorrow I shall start wearing my Ted Bundy & Ed Gean t-shirt and begin a fund to help buy their family members valuable trinkets and cars and maybe even a college fund.

5 months ago in all the election hooplah people were crying about problems within our own borders... funding needed for this, money for that, jobs here, jobs there... and now people are bitching we need to send more money overseas.

wake up people!
Those countries you are sending money to?
1. Terrorist cells are gonna get some of that money, so are scammers.
2. These are the same countries that took your jobs in the customer call center at Dell a year ago and have been working for 1/10 of what you did. And now you are on unemployment, or in a job that pays less, and you are STILL dishing money out of your paycheck to these folks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
3. Rather than have their government live in obscene royalty, they sure could have spent the money on some warning systems that were recommended....

Yet again, the land we live in has become the bitch to other countries.
 
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