My Opinion On Wsex Poker Sight. Fixxxxx!

[SMOKE JENSEN]

I don't care what nobody say's. That set up is a fix in my opinion. I am a pretty good poker player. I play in many a game with other good players. I have never seen anything like this setup at wsex. There is no way a person can keep losing and getting beat on the last card that often. When it comes to poker, I pretty well know my stuff. I believe that the owners have more than one players with names made up playing for them. They can see your cards without you knowing it. Anytime you have a hand, they will fold more times than not. They will string you along and then fold on your ass. Or last card you. It's a scam. And I'm sorry Jack. I know you sponser them. But it's a fix and a scam. No question about it. Beware fellow Madjackers.

 

[lakerfan]

I don't even know where to start.

WSEX has better things to do than fix low limit poker games. And if you are playing in the 20/40 or higher games, you are getting beat b/c some of the top players in the country play in those games.

WSEX are perhaps the most honest sportsbook owners out there. Ask around here and you will find very few if any complaints.

The software they are using is among the best in the industry (coming from Poker.com).

Cheating can occur, but it is players sharing over the phone or IM what their hands are. Has nothing to do with WSEX, although they take steps to stop it by monitoring play.

How long have you been playing there? People can go on long losing streaks, doesn't mean you should include a site of cheating especially when you are playing against others.

 

[SMOKE JENSEN]

sorry don't buy that. Have played on and off for several months. And have several friends that are very good poker players having the same results. Go on there and get a taste. then come back and tell me the same story. take in account there is no face to face confortations. So you can't read anybodys facial reactions. you'll get beat everytime. and if you don't think that it's not worth
wsex's time to pull this scam on several hundred if not thousands of people. Then you need to wake up and smell the roses. I have no problem with the book. Always pays me. But as far as the poker sight. Let 10 win and take 100's money is what I think is going on. Like I said. Go and get you a taste.

 

[kickserv]

I just don't understand why anybody would ever bet money on Internet gaming

just boggles my mind


go to the casino........it's regulated there.....sheesh:nono: :nono:

 

[SMOKE JENSEN]

your right kickserv. The world is full of scams.

 

[TORONTO-VIGILANTE]

I just don't understand why anybody would ever bet money on Internet gaming

i agree,man....

it's like, giving your money away.....

you have NO idea if it's regulated or not with software these days.....?????

:shrug: :nono: :nono:

 

[lakerfan]

sorry don't buy that. Have played on and off for several months. And have several friends that are very good poker players having the same results. Go on there and get a taste. then come back and tell me the same story. take in account there is no face to face confortations. So you can't read anybodys facial reactions. you'll get beat everytime.

I don't have to go try it, I have played there off and on since they opened. The 5-10 and under holdem limits games are very beatable as are the mini tournaments. Playing well over 200 hours there and am up close to $1000. In the real world I am at best an average player. I am about break even at a local casino in a 4-8 game. WSEX is one of the more beatable sites as lots of recreation gamblers also play poker there.

and if you don't think that it's not worth
wsex's time to pull this scam on several hundred if not thousands of people. Then you need to wake up and smell the roses. I have no problem with the book. Always pays me. But as far as the poker sight. Let 10 win and take 100's money is what I think is going on. Like I said. Go and get you a taste.

You don't provide any analysis as to why WSEX would try to rig poker beside that is obvious they would do it. You do understand that over the long term it is in their best interest for it to be on the up and up as they clear money on every hand. And WSEX is the most honest sportsbook operators out there. I obviously can't prove it is not as you can't prove it is, but I guess their aren't many online poker players here as I am sure they would tell you the same.

go to the casino........it's regulated there.....sheesh

Your kidding right. You frequent a offshore sports betting forum and you are talking about only betting at regulated places. LOL Unless you only bet in Vegas or in certain countries offshore, there is NO regulation.

you have NO idea if it's regulated or not with software these days.....?????

This is not like playing online craps or black jack. You playing poker against other people. Some of the bigger names in poker are developing or helping to run online poker rooms. It is nothing like other casino games.

Just because you lose doesn't mean it is fixed.

 

[hellah10]

one of my buddies lost 2 dimes in internet Blackjack....that shit was BEYOND fixed...

for instance...

he has 20 and dealer has 5...flips and has a 2...then draws a 4...then draws a 5..then draws ANOTHER 5....fawking sick i tell you, that shit is fixed beyond fixed...

 

[parlayinn]

yeah the bad beats and miracle river cards in online poker is unbelievable...i've experienced it at paradise and wsex...maybe its fixed, maybe its not...but i just stay away from it. no point in dumpin money there not knowing

 

[Sportsaholic]

Lakerfan,

Do you happen to work (or have a stake in) WSEX?

 

[marine]

this is by far one of the most ludicrous statements I have ever seen.
Yes, hold em is played with 5 cards on the board. the river card is part of the game. You dont say however... is that river card giving someone who flopped a 4-flush their 5th suited card? or are people playign two pairs and filling up against your straight?

And here is another little tip: When you are playing low limits online, people tend to stay in more often than not.
Why? because it IS low limits, and behind the safety of a monitor they do not have to deal with the sneers and jeers that they might have received at a live table for playing their 2-7o. If you dont want suckouts, put enuff in and play in the bigger limit games where you wont see all the fish.
They are NOT however going to rig a low limit game.. why? jeopardize teh rake that they make regardless of who wins?

also remember that online you are playing nearly two times as many hands per hour, so you are going to see more and more "bad beats" as you claim.


Learn to play solid poker and what good starting hands are, but even more importantly... LEARN TO FOLD when you know you are beat.

 

[TheShrimp]

I've played online poker since 1998. I've played at WSEX, Paradise, Ultimate Bet, Party.

I've beat them all. I've never re-upped from my bank or CC at a sports book or poker site because it's all been there from poker. But, I've had a much tougher time beating it than I have beating my pretty tough (former) home game, or limits up to 5/10 in AC.

Even at micro limits, you see free card plays, bank shots, value raising with draws, tight/aggression. Not from everyone, but from enough people to make it so that you can't just plop down, toss some money around and think you'll come out even. You see some 1/2 games with 30% players seeing the flop, the majority of the time coming in with a raise. You need to extract the max with your winners and lose the min with your losers.

I have had success with HE and Omaha, limit (to 5/10) and pot limit, but I can't even beat the 1/2 stud games. I understand poker and have a lot of tactics, but with stud being my 'B' game, I can't even beat the small timers.

The only illegal thing I truly believe happens is that some people have sophisticated computer programs playing. I don't think any of the card rooms fix their games. There has been endless discussion on rec.gambling.poker about whether online poker is fixed (post there and get flamed massively at your own risk). No one posts hand histories to actually prove the "anomalies" but a lot of people just "feel" its wrong.

One thing to keep in mind online, even at micro limits a very common play is raising with strong draws when there are enough people in the pot to get value from it. When one of these guys hits his card on the river, afer he's been raising with a draw, it can look VERY suspicious. If it's not a play you don't understand, or don't use, it's something you need to understand.

I rarely see the value raise with the draw in AC, and I saw it a lot less 5-10 years ago in casinos. Online poker is not easy money. A lot of guys are computer users, readers, studiers, analyzers. They're people who like poker enough to install software, fund an account, and sit down and play. It's just not like playing 9 schlubs strolling by a poker table in an indian casino in upstate new york.

Kickserv -- People bet money on the internet because its fun and people win. Paradise Poker has been around for almost 6 years, dealt hundreds of millions of hands and basically NEVER had a problem paying out. I'd be more worried about getting paid bringing chips to the cage at the Bellagio.

Smoke -- 10 winners for every 100 losers sounds about right to me, especially with the rake figured in.

 

[marine]

The Shrimp,

Agree wholeheartedly with you. Believe it or not, the micro limits can be VERY tough to beat at some places. I feel the reason is that you get people from the higher limits down there working on their game and trying out some different strategies and trying new moves.
And from what I have seen and played and read...
If you can beat the 3/6 hold em game on paradise... head on over to the 10/20 games at teh live casinos and you should be able to clean them out. Its that much different!

 

[dawgball]

I have been playing at Paradise for about two years now, and I think it is on the up and up. If not, I must be one of the individuals that they decided should be in on the fix. I funded my account skeptically with $100 two years ago and have never had to re-ante and made two withdrawals. I only play .50/$1 and $1/$2 (rarely higher), but I have had success beating these games. The micro-tournaments are fun as well--placed 4th (out of the money) last night in one. Got beat by the river a couple of times and WON by the river a couple of times.

I can not attest for WSEX, but I am sure that Paradise is on the goods. I would be willing to vouch for WSEX as they have been around a long time and the more players they have, the more money they rake. The long term would be greatly hurt if they were said to be fixed.

Cheers!

 

[TheShrimp]

Marine -- Yup. Sometimes very soft, but sometimes, nary a weak link.

Maybe I'm projecting, but sometimes I think they're guys like me who know the game, not at an expert level, but quite well, and went online with a small roll and a determination to build it from there w/o going broke and move up in limits when the roll grows enough.

Another thing, I've gone through swings where I saw over 150 BB go away. And that's from someone who feels he's demonstrated he can beat the game over time. That's $1500 playing only 5/10.

The swings in poker, as in sports betting, can be remarkable. Especially once you get playing pot limit.

People really got to realize what that rake does to you, too. If you play just 10 hours a week, you might be winning 1500 pots (30 pots a week x 50 weeks) in a year (more if you're not tight enough). That's anywhere from 1000-4000 bucks raked JUST FROM YOU ALONE. Something to think about. You lost $2000 playing last year? If you'd been playing in an unraked game, you'd have been even. It adds up. It's even worse in a casino when you throw in more rake, maybe a jackpot drop, and tips.

Not easy. The time I won the most money was when I was unemployed and all I thought about 8 hours a day was playing poker. It's hard to win if its just a diversion for you.

 

[marine]

another common crying excuse you hear from people who lose at online poker is:

"But I play in a home game every week and I always do great and it is a tough game!"

Well, that is open to a lot, and I mean a LOT of interpretation! Its a home game, so there is friendly banter, possible lack of total concentraion, and NO RAKE, and liquor! (usually) and maybe even a ball game on the tube you are watching out of the corner of your eye.

What makes it a tough game to beat at home? well, maybe you are the best player of the bunch... but it is a weak bunch. Then you step into the online world where you are playing with other players who are the best in their home games too.... kinda like the big tourney or something where you keep moving up and plaing better and better people.
You really have to play in multiple games with different people LOTS of times to determine just how strong of a player you are or how weak/tough your game is at home.

If youare going to play online poker and really want to succeed, you need to understand starting hands, pot odds, implied odds, raising for a free card on the turn, semi-bluffs, bluffs, and raising for value. Not only do you have to understand it for yourself to do.. BUT you have to understand what the OTHER GUY is trying to do when he checkraises you.

You need to know how and when to three bet to get the button and/or isolate the raiser/fishes.
Online poker isnt just click the mouse and hope your high flop hand holds up for the turn and river and that other people should just lay down their cards in respect to your raise.

YOu need to know when and how to punish the people drawing for their flush/straight. Yes, they are going to draw out on you once in awhile. But if you punish them enough every time, you are 1. going to come out ahead in the long run. and 2. Make them think twice about drawing to the gutshot next time around because it is going to cost them if they dont hit it.

Shrimp, I think we should get a thread going in the casino section here about some tips and moves.
Nothing too in depth, I want to be able to keep on making money hand over fist like I am still tho.

 

[dawgball]

All tips will be noted and used!!!!

I would like to read other people's thoughts on poker moves. I almost always play Omaha H/L 8. I find that my mind works best in this game--the competition does not seem as tough (maybe I'm just a lot worse in Hold Em). Start the thread and they will come (at least I will)!

 

[TheShrimp]

Normally, dawgball, I'd love to, but I'm pretty pokered out right now. I was palying a lot for a few years straight and I'm really kind of taking a break. If you're looking for poker talk....

rec.gambling.poker is there. It's got all the pitfalls and advantages of your normal unmoderated newsgroup, however. Probably more pitfalls than advatages.

There are also tons of poker BB's like madjacks, only not as much fun.

Best might be twoplustwo.com, by the publishers of all the 2 + 2 books. They have sections on every game, and HE discussion for different limits, and PL and NL.

Honestly, part of why I'm at MJ's is because I've tried to stop talking about cards so much and start talking more about sports.

But, if someone else got something going, I'm sure I'd throw in my two cents from time to time.

 

[lakerfan]

Lakerfan,

Do you happen to work (or have a stake in) WSEX?

No, I have no association with WSEX except having played with them in their sportbook for several years and their poker for the last year.

I was just suprised that at sports betting forum like this that WSEX would get so little respect. I put them easily in the top 3 in terms of safty and integrity of any sportsbook.

Excellent points made by The Shrimp,Dawgball, and marine. Good reading.

 

[dawgball]

For reasons that you stated, Shrimp, I do not go to the poker BBs. I think if I saw some conversation on poker here by you or others that play like marine or Nolan or acehi, it would be interesting reading without bringing too much attention for junk posters.

Understand needing a break from certain areas of gambling. If the conversation ever begins, I look forward to hearing your take.

GL