My take on this "Indian" issue.......

Scott4USC

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This is the most bogus reason for outrage in the history of sports.

If "Indians" is offensive, what about:

Patriots?
Bills?
Browns?
Steelers?
Texans?
Cowboys?
Packers?
Vikings?
49ers?
Saints?

That's almost 1/3 of the names in the NFL. Why shouldn't the groups represented by these names be offended if Indian names are truly offensive?

*I don't remember the steelworkers being asked if the Pittsburgh franchise could take their name.

*I also suppose all American Patriots are deeply injured by the use of that name by New England. Change is now!

*Saints clearly is anti-Catholic as it mocks Sainthood. It is very very offensive. It is extremely intolerant.

*Vikings were known rapists among other unsocial behavior. To glorify these hounds is to diminish women everywhere. It makes me sick.

*I'm thinking Packers offend low paid warehouse workers. I want that changed too!

*How can the NFL glorify pirates with the Raiders and Buccaneers? Who were and are horrible people, is like glorifying gangs, Murderers, thieves and rapists all. OUTRAGEOUS! I want these names changed NOW!


*How can the NCAA take offense to "Indians" and not Fighting Irish? Why in the hell is "Fighting Irish" OK?

I demand these MLB teams change there names as well. I take offense!

Dodgers (as in draft dodgers)
Giants
Padres
Reds
Pirates
Braves
Phillies
Yankees
Indians
Twins
Royals
Angels
Athletics
Rangers
Mariners

Lastly, the NCAA needs to move and move now!

The NCAA is located in Indianapolis. How offensive is THAT??? Get the f*** out of there! What were they thinking?
 
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Dodgers were for drafting cable cars in brooklyn and not draft dodgers, but I suspect you knew that.

I'm offended by TROJANS. Glorifynig condoms? Makes no sense to me :)

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I remember years ago when they started with the St.John`s Redman and they changed there name to the Red Storm,bunch of crap.



INDIANAPOLIS -- The NCAA banned the use of American Indian mascots by sports teams during its postseason tournaments, but will not prohibit them otherwise.

The NCAA's executive committee decided this week the organization did not have the authority to bar Indian mascots by individual schools, committee chairman Walter Harrison said Friday.

Nicknames or mascots deemed "hostile or abusive" would not be allowed on team uniforms or other clothing beginning with any NCAA tournament after Feb. 1, said Harrison, the University of Hartford's president.

"What each institution decides to do is really its own business" outside NCAA championship events, Harrison said.

"What we are trying to say is that we find these mascots to be unacceptable for NCAA championship competition," he added.

At least 18 schools have mascots the NCAA deem "hostile or abusive," including Florida State's Seminoles and Illinois' Illini. The full list of schools was not immediately released.

Florida State President T.K. Wetherell blasted the NCAA and threatened legal action on Friday, the Tampa Tribune reported.

"Florida State University is stunned at the complete lack of appreciation for cultural diversity shown by the National Collegiate Athletic Association's executive committee. ... That the NCAA would now label our close bond with the Seminole Tribe of Florida as culturally 'hostile and abusive' is both outrageous and insulting," Wetherell said Friday in a statement.

The Seminole Tribe of Florida passed a resolution in June supporting the school's use of the nickname and tribal images. Seminole tribes in other states have disagreed with the Florida group.

According to the Tribune, the ruling likely won't affect Florida State's pregame football ritual in which a student dressed as Chief Osceola rides onto the field on a spotted horse and plants a flaming spear in the turf. Since the NCAA does not sponsor a Division I-A football tournament, it has no say in the matter. That control belongs to the Bowl Championship Series.

"I intend to pursue all legal avenues to ensure that this unacceptable decision is overturned, and that this university will forever be associated with the 'unconquered' spirit of the Seminole Tribe of Florida," Wetherell said.

Not all schools with Indian-related nicknames are on that list. NCAA officials said some schools using the Warrior nickname do not use Indian symbols and would not be affected.

North Carolina-Pembroke, which uses the nickname Braves, will not face sanctions. NCAA president Myles Brand explained said the school's student body has historically admitted a high percentage of American Indians and more than 20 percent of the students are American Indians.

Schools on the list could still appeal.

"I suspect that some of those would like to having a ruling on that," Brand said. "But unless there is a change before Feb. 1, they will have to abide by it."

Major college football teams also would not be subjected to the new rules because there is no NCAA Divsion I-A tournament or playoff.

Arkansas State University, whose teams are known as the Indians, said Friday that their use of the mascot is done with respect and the school's sports teams will continue to use it.


"It is our objective to represent Native Americans in a dignified and stately manner," ASU atheltic director Dean Lee said. "We believe that our use of the nickname 'Indians' and 'The Indian Family' as our mascot affords the Native American customs and history the fullest respect and integrity."



Vernon Bellecourt, president of the National Coalition on Racism in Sports and Media, was pleased with the postseason ban but had hoped for even stronger action.

"We would have hoped the NCAA would have provided the moral leadership on this issue, but obviously they've chosen to only go halfway," said Bellecourt, a member of the Anishinabe-Ojibwe Nation in Minnesota.

The NCAA two years ago recommended that schools determine for themselves whether the Indian depictions were offensive.


At the University of North Dakota, where the Fighting Sioux nickname has come under fire, officials said they wanted to study the decision before commenting.

"We just don't have enough information to know exactly what it means," said Phil Harmeson, a senior associate to school president Charles Kupchella.

The NCAA plans to ban schools using Indian nicknames from hosting postseason events. Harrison said schools with such mascots that have already been selected as tournament sites would be asked to cover any offensive logos.

Such logos also would be prohibited at postseason games on cheerleader and band uniforms starting in 2008.

Among the schools to change nicknames in recent years over such concerns were St. John's (from Redmen to Red Storm) and Marquette (from Warriors to Golden Eagles).

Fourteen schools have removed all references to Native American culture or were deemed not to have references to Native American culture as part of their athletics programs: California State-Stanislaus, Lycoming College, Winona State University, Hawaii-Manoa, Eastern Connecticut State, East Stroudsburg, Husson College, Merrimack College, Southeast Missouri State, State University of West Georgia, Stonehill College, San Diego State, Wisconsin Lutheran College and the University of North Carolina-Pembroke.

The College of William and Mary has been given an extension to complete its self-study on the mascot issue.

Other measures approved this week include stronger penalties for schools that repeatedly fall below the NCAA's new academic cutline. Harrison said schools would receive a warning letter the first year; restrictions on scholarships, recruiting and playing time the second year; and a postseason ban the third year. If a school fails to meet the standard four consecutive years, all teams at that school would be ineligible for postseason play.

"I'd fully expect that we never get to the fourth year," Harrison said. "A school should take stronger action before that. But I think this should send a message that there will be real, serious consequences if you don't."

Schools also would receive a bonus point if a player returns to school to complete his or her degree.

The board also approved a two-year contract extension for Brand. His deal was to run through Dec. 31, 2007 and now includes an indefinite two-year rollover.
 

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If the Indians have such a big problem with this they should of fought harder about 150 years ago...

(my last name starts Mc, so I guess file me under short looking, drunken, green over all wearing, four leaf clover in my lapel, red hair, fiery temper, did I mention drunken, ready to fight Irishman)

This PC America can go F themselves
 

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Scott4USC said:
NCAA is located in Indianapolis. How offensive is THAT??? Get the f*** out of there! What were they thinking?

I don't agree w/any of this either, but what the hell do u mean by the above statement, I take offense to that.

For your info, Indy is the amatuer sports capital of the country, they have hosted every major amatuer event here except for the olympics, THAT IS WHY THE NCAA is Located here!!! :cursin: :cursin:

For your info ole madjack himself only lives 30 miles from indy. You might wanna retrack that statement.
 

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Countinguy

can't speak for Scott, but I think you missed his humor on this one. He was saying Indianapolis is bad because its got the name Indian in it I think

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countinguy said:
I don't agree w/any of this either, but what the hell do u mean by the above statement, I take offense to that.

For your info, Indy is the amatuer sports capital of the country, they have hosted every major amatuer event here except for the olympics, THAT IS WHY THE NCAA is Located here!!! :cursin: :cursin:

For your info ole madjack himself only lives 30 miles from indy. You might wanna retrack that statement.

It was a joke. In no way should you take offense to it. Lighten up. BleedDodgerBlue explained the humor.
 

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Scott4USC said:
Lastly, the NCAA needs to move and move now!

The NCAA is located in Indianapolis. How offensive is THAT??? Get the f*** out of there! What were they thinking?


The NCAA is located in *INDIAN*apolis. How offensive is THAT???

(maybe the sensitive sorts from Indy would have gotten the connection to the subject if it was posted like that ;) )

and agree fully with you Scott <---- first time for everything ;) , but this crap is REDICULOUS
 

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They have been trying to get rid of UND's nickname for years--Fighting Sioux--if you look at my icon you will see the new Logo for University of North Dakota athletics, which I think is pretty damn cool. It was drawn by a Native American from North Dakota. Now they are saying that the UND hockey team can't wear their jerseys with that big logo on them if they get into the NCAA tournament, which they do every year. It is getting ridiculous. The only kicker is that they said "mascot" in the letter and UND doesn't have a mascot, just a nickname.

Besides, when Ralph Englestad (see Imperial Palace) gave UND the 100 million for the new Hockey Arena, one tie into that was that the name never be changed so that pretty much took care of that.
 

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Spalding said:
They have been trying to get rid of UND's nickname for years--Fighting Sioux--if you look at my icon you will see the new Logo for University of North Dakota athletics, which I think is pretty damn cool. It was drawn by a Native American from North Dakota. Now they are saying that the UND hockey team can't wear their jerseys with that big logo on them if they get into the NCAA tournament, which they do every year. It is getting ridiculous. The only kicker is that they said "mascot" in the letter and UND doesn't have a mascot, just a nickname.

Besides, when Ralph Englestad (see Imperial Palace) gave UND the 100 million for the new Hockey Arena, one tie into that was that the name never be changed so that pretty much took care of that.

I covered college hockey for four years, and always thought the Sioux had the best uniform and logo of any team I saw. When the Gophers would play tourney games at the Xcel Energy Center, I thought it was just an incredible arena, but it paled in comparison to UND's new place.
 

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STATEMENT FROM FSU PRESIDENT T.K. WETHERELL

Florida State University is stunned at the complete lack of appreciation for cultural diversity shown by the National Collegiate Athletic Association's executive committee, which announced today a policy banning schools using Native American names and symbols from hosting NCAA championship events. That the NCAA would now label our close bond with the Seminole Tribe of Florida as culturally "hostile and abusive" is both outrageous and insulting.

On June 17, the Tribal Council of the Seminole Tribe of Florida spoke unequivocally of its support for Florida State University in its use of the Seminole name and related symbols. Accordingly, I intend to pursue all legal avenues to ensure that this unacceptable decision is overturned, and that this university will forever be associated with the "unconquered" spirit of the Seminole Tribe of Florida.

National surveys have shown in recent years that an overwhelming majority of Native Americans are not offended by the use of Native American names and symbols. In making its decision, the executive committee has been swayed by a strident minority of activists who claim to speak for all Native Americans. It is unconscionable that the Seminole Tribe of Florida has been ignored.

The rules as we understand them would have us cover the Seminole name and symbol as if we were embarrassed, and any committee that would think that is a proper and respectful treatment of Native Americans should be ashamed.
 
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