My USC vs ND Analysis Thread

Scott4USC

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This Sat. is the huge game! IMO the best rivalry in college football but some may disagree. It def. is the biggest cross country rivalry! It really is something special and I am glad that I will be making my first trip to South Bend this Sat. :) I look forward to many Carroll vs Weis matchups to come! I think the USC/ND rivalry will get back to old form where the winner goes on to win National Championships.

I'll post my opinions on this game throughout the week until I leave for Chicago on Thur. All opinions are welcomed either for USC or for ND.

My first analysis on the game will be something everyone should take notice. Carroll DC vs Weis OC. Pete Carroll is prob. the best DC in college football. Weis is showing that he might be one of if not the best OC's in CFB. Here is what is interesting.

Weis a while back made some interesting comments and I think he was DEAD ON!

Weis said Carroll is a great DC and to beat him you need "patience." Weis said he installed patience into his team. Let the game come to them, not force anything. Unfortunately USC's young OC's have no patience but that is another story.

Carroll's defensive philosophy in a nutshell is STOP the run and DON'T give up big plays. Therefore, Carroll has to concede giving up the short pass.

Weis said often teams become impatient against USC and force things. (that is exactly what Carroll wants) Only coach who was and is patient with Pete Carroll D has been HC TEDFORD from CAL. Which team has given USC the most trouble? CAL!

Why does Carroll concede short pass? Because he thinks the more times a team runs a play on a drive, the higher % his defense can force a turnover OR for the opposing team to make a mistake! Remember, these are COLLEGE KIDS! Who has lead the country in forcing turnovers the last 3 years? USC!

Weis loves ball control offense with the short passing game. That is what Carroll likes to concede. It will be VERY interesting. Weis knows what he has to do to beat USC and it just so happens that is the offense he likes to run. This is how the Pats kept high powered COLTS offense and RAMS offense from beating them. Weis offense slows down opposing teams offense. Weis knows his D is not going to slow down USC O. He has to do it with his offense. Very smart man! This is Weis philosophy and it works. This is how you beat USC! But you have to be balanced on offense and ND is balanced with a very strong OL. It is almost impossible to beat USC if you are one dimensional.

Maybe for this reason alone, the UNDER might be a great bet. ND has to eat the clock offensively. They cannot get into a shootout with USC. USC has the D to stop/contain ND offense, ND does not have the D to stop USC O. Weis knows this. But the funny thing is USC wants the opposing O to march down the field instead of quick strikes. Kind of odd. :) So USC has no problem getting into a shootout, but if the opposing team tries too, they have to do so going against what USC D is trying to take away. Thats the reason USC gets TURNOVERS! :) If USC is giving up short pass but the team throws over the top, that increases the prob. of USC stopping the play OR forcing a turn over. Remember, Carroll takes away the run and deep pass, and concedes the short pass. Once a team gets inside the red zone, USC D tightens up and tries to take away EVERYTHING. That is why USC D is so tough in the red zone. College football coaches don't realize this when playing USC. Carroll always has a field day. Tedford is smart and I think Weis is too based on comments I read from him a while back.

You must play ball control offense but you cannot just run the ball. You must run/pass 50/50 playing ball control offense to beat USC. Tedford knows that and does it and has success against USC. He doesn't have success PTS wise against USC, but he keeps his team in STRIKING distance to beat USC. And that is why he is 1-1 the last 2 years against USC.

Remember, Carroll is prob. the best DC in CFB. USC has NFL caliber defensive schemes they can run anytime. Most of them the opposing offense has not seen on tape. Carroll is a master at using them at key times in a game. There is decent chance USC can hold ND to under 30pts but for ND to hold USC under 30pts they need to eat the clock! Weis knows this. Therefore, the under might be a strong play if Weis executes his gameplan. He has had 2 weeks to do so. The last time a team scored over 30pts against USC was 2 years ago against CAL in triple OT @CAL.

Oh yeah, one more thing I forgot to mention about Carroll's philosophy. He develops gameplans for his D to take away what the opposing O likes to do. Say for example they love to throw to their big time WR or throw to their big time TE etc. Carroll has schemes/plans to take that away and make the opposing O do something they don't like to do often. He sometimes inserts this from the start but often in 2h when the opposing team CAN"T make adjustments. You only can make your big adjustments at halftime. That is one of the big reasons why USC dominates 2h's along with always being the better conditioned team! Opposing team "often" won't adjust and force their gameplan. That is mostly because this is COLLEGE FOOTBALL and not NFL football. But Carroll has USC run like an NFL team. The way they practice and prepare. That is exactly what Carroll does at halftime.
 
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LIKE A NFL TEAM WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT- HE PRACTICES HIS PLAYERS WAY HARDER THAN THE NFL- THAT IS WHY HE DID POORLY IN THE NFL HE WORKED HIS PLAYERS TO HARD- GREAT COLLREGE COACH- NFL THAT WAS A DIFF STORY- WEIS IS A GAMER ALSO- AND IS A BRILLIANT STRATEGIST- THIS GAME WILL BE VERY CLOSE, I HAVE YOUR HOMERS WINNING 31-27
 

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ill be there too... i was also at USC v. ASU (wearing a U of TX shirt) watched Q3 from the concourse. love the desert heat in october ; ) anyway, carroll is brilliant and brillance comes easy with those recruits. no argument there. i also like the "halftime" coach that carroll is. but, i think this road game is gunna be a VERY big test (bigger if ND held off MI St. - that game stung). the last 2 1H's by USC, much to be desired - correct? did USC get passed on? yes... did ASU or AZ run on USC? not really... if, and i mean IF, ND can get out to a lead in the 1H - they can, if they chose to ball control with 2, possibly 3, merited runners. either way, ND can pass.... i would not take Quinn over Leinart but, ND can and will pass if necessary. i dont think Quinn puts up the INT's that ASU Keller did. ND D or USC D - no brainer. ill take USC... but, ND down small or big - they will be passing to 3 merited receivers. ND up by any margin - ball control running, play action and screen passes. then, the deep ball to stovall or samardzija. or, the 20 yarder to fasano...

11.5 w/a 69.

i may just settle on serious tailgating, a trip to the grotto, a fraternity bratwurst and following the ND band into the stadium.

your gunna have a great day USCscott. fall football in the midwest is priceless. im certain USC will travel well so, you'll be in good company. traffic out is gunna be the biggest headache. that and....

ND +360​
 

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I'll be there too, but GN is right about the traffic. The only thing I hate about that place is the trafffic leaving the game going back to Chicago. It is unbelievable.

Hopefully SC puts them away early so the parking lot clears out by the end of the 3rd Qtr.
 

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Guerilla_Ninja I agree with most of what you said.

THUNDER said:
LIKE A NFL TEAM WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT- HE PRACTICES HIS PLAYERS WAY HARDER THAN THE NFL- THAT IS WHY HE DID POORLY IN THE NFL HE WORKED HIS PLAYERS TO HARD- GREAT COLLREGE COACH- NFL THAT WAS A DIFF STORY- WEIS IS A GAMER ALSO- AND IS A BRILLIANT STRATEGIST- THIS GAME WILL BE VERY CLOSE, I HAVE YOUR HOMERS WINNING 31-27

Yes I have heard NFL scouts say USC practices harder than NFL teams. I did not know Carrolls "downfall" in the NFL was him practicing his team too hard. Thanks. I agree about Weis.
 

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USC vs ND Stats!

Each team has played 5 games and below are the their national rankings.

Sagarin Strength of Schedule Ratings
USC SOS #27
ND SOS #24

USC(5-0) #1 in the country
ND(4-1) #9 in the country

Rush Offense

USC #1 291 YPG
ND #35 174 YPG

Pass Offense

USC #4 349 YPG
ND #8 329 YPG

Total Offense

USC #1 640 YPG
ND #9 504 YPG

Scoring Offense

USC #2 51 PPG
ND #17 37 PPG

Rushing Defense

USC #11 90 YPG
ND #31 116 YPG

Pass Defense

USC #83 246 YPG
ND #114 305 YPG

Total Defense

USC #38 337 YPG
ND #94 422 YPG

Scoring Defense

USC #32 19 PPG
ND #54 24 PPG

Turnover Margin

USC #10
ND #10

Pass efficiency

USC #6
ND #12

Pass efficiency defense

USC #53
ND #54

Penalties

ND #74
USC #92

Sacks

USC #16 with 16
ND #59 with 11

Tackles for Loss

USC #54
ND #88

3rd down conversions

USC #1
ND #18

3rd down coversion defense

ND #17
USC #63

Some notes:

*USC has beaten 1 team currently in the top 25(Oregon)
*ND has beaten 0 teams currently in the top 25.

*USC has played 4 teams in the top 40 total offense(ASU, Oregon, Arkansas, Hawaii)
*ND has played 2 teams in the top 40 total offense(MSU, Purdue).

*USC has played 0 teams in the top 40 total defense.
*ND has played 2 teams in the top 40 total defense (Michigan, Pitt).
 
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I'm happy to see that nearly everyone thinks N.D+12 or 11.5
or what ever it may be by game day.

N.D does not stay anywhere near the cover...let alone a W!!

USC has too much class!!!

I do expect a close 1st H, but once the 2nd H begins USC will just wear em out

USC 41 N.D 14
 

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Scott, I hope you have a great time and enjoy the game!
That said, I saw a scary stat today that USC is 20-9 ATS in their last 29 games. YIPES!
Against Oklahoma or someone last year they were a pick and it was a USC blowout...
I think it's accurate to say that the line will be what LV wants you to think and not an accurate prediction of the outcome...
I mean really, if they posted USC -45 do you think anyone would touch the game?
 
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tulah said:
I'm happy to see that nearly everyone thinks N.D+12 or 11.5
or what ever it may be by game day.

N.D does not stay anywhere near the cover...let alone a W!!

USC has too much class!!!

I do expect a close 1st H, but once the 2nd H begins USC will just wear em out

USC 41 N.D 14

I agree. Way too much $$$ coming in on Irish for them to cover. USC wins going away!
 

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I don't know why you guys are complaining about the traffic after the game...you should be hanging out and tailgating AFTER the game for a couple of hours (celebrating an ND win), and then driving back...then there's no traffic...

I'll be there on Saturday...I can't wait...we've got a charter bus leaving bright and early from chi-town, and staying late...I'm gonna be all kinds of drunk with superbook on speeddial for 2H bets!

As for my opinion on the game...I agree that it will either be an ND win outright, or a USC cover...1H ND with the points also seems like a soild bet...I hope that weiss can show us what he's made of, and after the michigan st. loss, I think he'll be more than prepared for this...

This is the biggest game of the last 15 years for the irish, and I think they have a great chance of winning outright...
 

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Nice thread...it's nice to have things kept civil. Appreciate your thoughts and info Scott.
 

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USC vs ND Trends

*USC is 5-1 ATS in 1st of back to back road games

*USC is 7-2 ATS vs ND since 1996

*USC is 27-1 ATS when they score 40 or more pts in a game.

*ND is 1-10 ATS with revenge off double digit straight up win

*USC and ND have played 5 times in the past when USC was ranked #1 and the Trojans had won each time with an average margin of 17 points.

*ND has won straight up 15 out of 16 in games after a bye. The only loss was to USC last year.

What does this all mean for this weekend. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!
 
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USC Defense Injury Status:

Read this AM that OLB Sartz is back at practice, but very questionable. Carroll is even talking about red shirting him now if he can't come back from the shoulder injury. So, that is one of the defensive starters that was expected back that does not look good. On the other hand, DL Ramsey is back practicing and Fresh CB Kevin Thomas is also back and said he'll be ready. SC loses alot of experience on D if Sartz can't go, but the back up has much more talent and athleticism and has looked great playing so far. Not getting back Ramsey would have been a much tougher blow. He has looked great this year before going down a couple weeks ago. Thomas will give SC some much needed depth in the D back field, but virtually no experience. They should be better off on D than they have been the past few weeks.
 

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That is great news that people are pounding Notre Dame...I was worried USC was too good to be true.

V is for Victory (esp. at -11 :clap: )
 

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you people are on crack if you think that the balance on this game is going to be off moneywise. Early action was SLIGHTLY in favor of ND, but not enough where you can clearly say the public is pounding ND.

Look at any consensus site and where the money is right now. Its practically dead even. Books will be balanced and the line is perfect to draw money both ways. Had they hung a 14.5 then I can see where they would get hit with ND money.

People throw out the public word to much.

gl, with your play if you go with SC scott. I have a small play on ND. But in no manner is ND gonna be a huge joe public play. Gonna be balanced for a game of this magnitude.

gl
 

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The more I think about this game the more I think Carroll is going going to give it to Weis prison style with no lube.

NTTAWT
 

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first half under 34'

first half under 34'

If weiss has a good game plan, he has to ball control...you have to keep SC off the field as much as possible. SC has had lousy first halves, think they believe they are so good they can always crank it up in second half.

With that big game atmosphere in a rocking noisy house, on grass, hopefully crappy weather, think first half stays under the number....GLTA
 

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CWood97 said:
The more I think about this game the more I think Carroll is going going to give it to Weis prison style with no lube.

NTTAWT


Just courious, how long were you in the joint????

:joke:

Wonder if ole CW breaks out the green shirts for Saturday..................RUDY- RUDY- RUDY


USC 38
ND 17
 

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I basically agree with your assessment, Scott.

The passing game will be there for USC.

I don't think the Irish can run well enough on the Trojans.

Not sold yet on ND. Purdue has to be one of the biggest disappointments on the year...their D is nowhere near what it was projected to be.

Also, Michigan State's high-octane, balanced O lit up the Fighting Irish...and if it wasn't for John L's play-not-to-lose ways, they would've lost in regulation.

I just think the Trojans inexorably pull away from their opponent - yet again.
 
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