In essence it is.....(MLB) You have a different strike zone for different hitters, depending on how long you have been in the MLB and how well you know the strike zone. NBA...You have guys who get favortism drivng down the lane or whatever you do is and your worth....if you have been in the league and have proved yourself worthy of an NBA player you genereally get the call when a rookie will not. Call this fixed??????????? I do...A strike is a strike no matter who the hitter and a foul is a foul no matter who drives the lane. So when you say fixed it may be better worded as favortism than a fix and can very well prelude the spread. IMO a strike is a strike and a foul is a foul no matter who it is. More people would watch these gms if they were officiated all square ( little league term LOL)
My view, is the NBA, MLB fixed....
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agree 100%...it drives me crazy when an announcer says it shouldn't be a foul that decides the game and that the officials shouldn't call a foul that late in the game....if its a foul, it should be called whenever it is in the game, regardless of 1st or 4th quarter...same with strikes in baseball, it is a strike if it is above the belt, and i have seen more umps call it this year
first of all, part of u both said is kind of right for me.... but
in my case it?s easier to think a different way (and not talking about the fix stuff if there is such)??. NBA is so difficult sport to bet, things can go the exactly opposite way of ur thoughts no matter which teams are involved (even in POs)??. I mean, Cavs has covered (ATS) almost every game this postseason, even with a good team like the Pistons, and people were raped if we took in mind the consensus (just like 2day, almost 60% on the Cavs taking the juicy 7 - 7.5 points) in every of those games, all jumped hard on the Pistons, same case with v.s. Nets and bla bla bla??.. now, 2nite consensus again 60% (+/- 2) on the Cavs and more than 65% on the under? come on, lets face it, we need to be more objectives at the moment we put any cash on a game like this, we (or most of us) are bettors not fans, I also liked to see the Cavs W the game, but the Spurs are a great team, they been here so often, they got the scars that prove they are the team to defeat, and even then I couldn?t play the side (-7 is way to much for me in this position, and ML :nono: do not like to play big chalk)?? I played the over ?cause I felt more comfortable expecting more offensive stuff by both teams (and at the end we always need the luck if we bet sports, it?s not only knowledge and bla bla bla, and of course, I can?t see my self by now playing again the over in next game), I didn?t play so much games in POs, it?s better to wait positions like these? not in the world u?ll see big consensus W both, side and total, not in the NBA (very rare)?
In my humble opinion, yes, there are traps in everything what implies big quantities of money (though I do not believe it is the general rule), but even this way, I think that it is more feasibly to think differently if u wants to be earned some nice $$$...
vicc
in my case it?s easier to think a different way (and not talking about the fix stuff if there is such)??. NBA is so difficult sport to bet, things can go the exactly opposite way of ur thoughts no matter which teams are involved (even in POs)??. I mean, Cavs has covered (ATS) almost every game this postseason, even with a good team like the Pistons, and people were raped if we took in mind the consensus (just like 2day, almost 60% on the Cavs taking the juicy 7 - 7.5 points) in every of those games, all jumped hard on the Pistons, same case with v.s. Nets and bla bla bla??.. now, 2nite consensus again 60% (+/- 2) on the Cavs and more than 65% on the under? come on, lets face it, we need to be more objectives at the moment we put any cash on a game like this, we (or most of us) are bettors not fans, I also liked to see the Cavs W the game, but the Spurs are a great team, they been here so often, they got the scars that prove they are the team to defeat, and even then I couldn?t play the side (-7 is way to much for me in this position, and ML :nono: do not like to play big chalk)?? I played the over ?cause I felt more comfortable expecting more offensive stuff by both teams (and at the end we always need the luck if we bet sports, it?s not only knowledge and bla bla bla, and of course, I can?t see my self by now playing again the over in next game), I didn?t play so much games in POs, it?s better to wait positions like these? not in the world u?ll see big consensus W both, side and total, not in the NBA (very rare)?
In my humble opinion, yes, there are traps in everything what implies big quantities of money (though I do not believe it is the general rule), but even this way, I think that it is more feasibly to think differently if u wants to be earned some nice $$$...
vicc
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Ha la Lula the minds are beginning to open. You want to know something they do in baseball? They have different sets of balls. I know this sounds ludicrous but lets take a game this year and it was my biggest bet of the year so far in baseball. I took the Yanks over Boston on Sunday night. Most everyone was taking Boston in this and in the last inning Arod hits a chip shot that goes out of the park. Then Ortiz in the bottom of the ninth crushes one, looks up, and can't believe it doesn't go out. Just crushes this thing and is floored the ball stays in the park. Anyone remember this? Sure it sounds bizarre but then again the team everyone bet loses.
I do not feel any reasonable member of this board is debating whether or not officials influence games with loose or tight strike zones, or by calling a tight game instead of letting them play.
Furthermore, we all know that point-shaving exists, especially in ncaa. There are too many young kids, few of which are being paid (a la Reggie Bush). There is plenty opportunity for scum bags to get the upper hand on these players causing them to falter at the FT line, or miss a key block, or drop a pass. I personally wagered on or against Toledo at least 3 times last season, and now come to find that the RB was shaving points. I get it, nothing new here.
What I don't get is Sponge's contention that he can "spot" a fix. This is laughable, and a pathetic attempt by a huge loser to build himself to a bunch of strangers in cyber-space. I feel he is little more than an attention-whore (see recent burglary post is you have any questions).
Furthermore, we all know that point-shaving exists, especially in ncaa. There are too many young kids, few of which are being paid (a la Reggie Bush). There is plenty opportunity for scum bags to get the upper hand on these players causing them to falter at the FT line, or miss a key block, or drop a pass. I personally wagered on or against Toledo at least 3 times last season, and now come to find that the RB was shaving points. I get it, nothing new here.
What I don't get is Sponge's contention that he can "spot" a fix. This is laughable, and a pathetic attempt by a huge loser to build himself to a bunch of strangers in cyber-space. I feel he is little more than an attention-whore (see recent burglary post is you have any questions).
Sponge- Please enlighten us, how did you know they were going to use different balls?
Do not have any opini?n about Sponge personally (just do not know if he post often or not, didn?t see much of his threads)? but I agree with Cie in some points, u cannot go and put any cash on games if u do believe some (or those) are fixed and stuff, and yes, sounds like cheap that kind of explanation (and please don?t get me wrong, nothing personal, just my thought)??
What I tried to say in my last post here, is that we need to make so much better analysis than that to W some $$$, or better stay aside and simply watch the games on TV?..
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I know Cie from here and other site, and I don?t agree with u at this point, he is not that kind or person?.
vicc
Spotting a rigged game is called being able to read a line. Its not something a 20 year old kid is gonna be able to do. It takes experience and a ton of it. How many times you see guys posting consensus up with the line going the other way? That is one way to do it but if you just rely on this method you will lose just as much. If you can put two and two together like when i said which players would lay down in which games and it happens then you know what you are talking about. Unfortunately for some reason most guys are to stubburn to think a player or coach would ever do something like this. When you do something like this on your own you end up like Pete Rose but when you shave points for the League and the gambling gods that is a different story. You have corrupt coaches and refs and just a very few token players you would be surprised at what happens. Why do you think the same pittiful coaches get job after job yet some of these younger ones sit forever waiting? why do you think the NFL won't let us see the Refs and what games they are doing before the games starts? Because they know there are a few guys like me that wants that ref info because a guy like me knows which refs are the most crooked. I used to get killed every game that one refs Johnny Greer use to do because he called the game straight. Every game i bet he did at halftime i washed my bet. Remember this ref anyone His games lasted about one hour more than everyone else's because he actually called all the penalties. You never bet a bad team with him reffing unless you like to lose money. For my style of handicapping thank goodness he vanished last year. I have no idea what happen to him. (grammar and spelling not reviewed)
I just hope you are all man enough to apologize to me because i will do what i claim i can. I have already did it two series in a row saying how Kidd and Billups will lay down but like true clueless clowns none of you picked up on it yet now we are all picking up that Cleveland just isnt that good. This shithole team isn't even as good as Chicago, Detroit, or Jersey but they have an ace in the hole and that is the leagues puppy.
kidd and billups just laid down? what did they gain from this, more money? did someone pay them? they really need the money since they make so much without being paid to fix a game....kidd made $18 million this yearand billups makes $6.3 million this year...get real, i can see this in college sport, but not in the nba by players make enough to wipe their ass with their money if they choose to, they don't need or gain anything by throwing a game/series.
They do what the league tells them to do. What they make is peanuts compared to what they make for the books. They both were coming off two very good series before they faced Cleveland when i then stated before the fact they both would all the sudden forget how to play and this is exactly what happen. The announcers wanted us to think it was the so called great defense of Cleveland. Well guess what Parker and Ginobli are making a mockery of this so called great defense. I didn't say Kidd or Billups would play good against that shithole Cleveland i said they would play bad and if you listen to the announcer they all couldn't figure out why those two played so bad. This is a billion dollar industry. Again for the thick skulls. I said these two would play bad and they did. I do not have ESP. I do have a gift of seeing a con job when it is right
smack in front of my face. Some of
you
are being conned and that is why they build skyscrappers in Vegas instead of hotel 40's.
Damn I didn't mean for this to be a Sponge bashing LOL
Damn I didn't mean for this to be a Sponge bashing LOL
All I am saying is this......(Baseball) Let's say Sponge (a rookie) is hitting .225 and I ( 3 time All Star) am hitting .333 The same exact pitch for sponge is a strike and for me it is a ball. It isn't right. A strike zone is a strike zone.A charge in the NBA is a charge no matter who has the ball. Call it a fix:shrug: Call it the teachers (officials) pet:shrug: This has led to many viewers to not watch the MLB and the NBA. Anyway I know Sponge wouldn't be hitting a mere .225 if he was in the Tampa Bay lineup.......it would be probably a laughable .095 LMAO......that's because he is a pitcher.....Just teasing you Sponge. So as a handicapper I as well as the rest of us must take this bi-particism into account. It makes it real difficult....but it sure does call for a bitch session after the game
Damn I didn't mean for this to be a Sponge bashing LOL
All I am saying is this......(Baseball) Let's say Sponge (a rookie) is hitting .225 and I ( 3 time All Star) am hitting .333 The same exact pitch for sponge is a strike and for me it is a ball. It isn't right. A strike zone is a strike zone.A charge in the NBA is a charge no matter who has the ball. Call it a fix:shrug: Call it the teachers (officials) pet:shrug: This has led to many viewers to not watch the MLB and the NBA. Anyway I know Sponge wouldn't be hitting a mere .225 if he was in the Tampa Bay lineup.......it would be probably a laughable .095 LMAO......that's because he is a pitcher.....Just teasing you Sponge. So as a handicapper I as well as the rest of us must take this bi-particism into account. It makes it real difficult....but it sure does call for a bitch session after the game
Why is it that people just can't see that it is "possibly" fixed. I believe it is and thats my opinion and won't argue it.
What I am arguing is, WHY IS IT SO IMPOSSIBLE, TO THINK THAT IT MAY BE?
Cops have been crooked
Judges have been Crooked
Presidents of the United States have been Crooked.
ALL HUMAN BEINGS...WHY NOT PROFESSIONAL SPORTS STARS??????????
What I am arguing is, WHY IS IT SO IMPOSSIBLE, TO THINK THAT IT MAY BE?
Cops have been crooked
Judges have been Crooked
Presidents of the United States have been Crooked.
ALL HUMAN BEINGS...WHY NOT PROFESSIONAL SPORTS STARS??????????
Exactly gambling. Why is this so hard to believe? i bring it to the next level trying to show who is on the take, and two series in a row, i was dead on. Tonight if Cleveland wins you can bet your bottom dollar that it will be Duncan who makes a lot of mistakes. Misses at crucial times. Turnovers at crucial times. Missed free throws at crucial times. If this happens i will again have to prove it all over because some people are just thick sculled. They will say he had a bad game. He can do what he wants, whenever he wants, in this series. When he is allowed to that is. I think Cleveland wins tonight and the James hype will be back full bore. I will post my play later because this hype on ESPN about how Cleveland will win is starting to bother me. They work hand in hand with the leagues.
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if you have the slightest thought that games may be fixed, then why do you bet them ? it seems very foolish that you do.
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Why is it foolish that I gamble if I believe that it's fixed? It's a hobby of mine, nothing more nothing less. They can fix the games all they want. I believe it is fixed, however I enjoy watching the games and having a little action on it. I cap my games accordingly and do quite well.
Sponge however, comes off as if it is a "conspiracy fixed" That I do NOT Believe. WHAT I DO Believe is that Lines makers DO THIS FOR A LIVING. This is their job THEY SLEEP WITH IT, THEY WAKE UP WITH IT. They know EXACTLY how "HUMANS THINK" Because they are ones themselves, this is what they get paid to do. Just like bomb squad gets paid to deactivate the bomb and not cut the wrong wires, if they do they BOTH GET HURT.
Sponge has an opinion and although it "SEEMS" as if Yes he comes off as wanting praise and awards for saying that Kidd and Billups would not play up to standards it is his opinion. Can he go about it differently? Sure. But it seems here at Madjacks if you have an opinion or are not part of "THE FAN CLUB" than you get bashed or are just craving attention. This is a forum and ment for topics of discussion like this. I forone agree with Sponge, am I going to praise him for knowing Billups and Kidd wouldn't play good. Hell NO, But I will agree with him to AN EXTENT. Just because my opinion is that it is fixed to an extent shouldn't have any relevance as to why I gamble. It being fixed doesn't BOTHER me enough to make me want to stop. I'm not 'complaining about it, i just am asking the question to those "WHO DO NOT THINK IT IS FIXED"
WHY IS IT SO IMPOSSIBLE TO BELIEVE IT IS?
What MAKES US WRONG? And I am NOT saying I am RIGHT, again just my "OPINION" but for those who believe IT IS DEFINITLY NOT. Why CAN'T IT BE?
Sponge however, comes off as if it is a "conspiracy fixed" That I do NOT Believe. WHAT I DO Believe is that Lines makers DO THIS FOR A LIVING. This is their job THEY SLEEP WITH IT, THEY WAKE UP WITH IT. They know EXACTLY how "HUMANS THINK" Because they are ones themselves, this is what they get paid to do. Just like bomb squad gets paid to deactivate the bomb and not cut the wrong wires, if they do they BOTH GET HURT.
Sponge has an opinion and although it "SEEMS" as if Yes he comes off as wanting praise and awards for saying that Kidd and Billups would not play up to standards it is his opinion. Can he go about it differently? Sure. But it seems here at Madjacks if you have an opinion or are not part of "THE FAN CLUB" than you get bashed or are just craving attention. This is a forum and ment for topics of discussion like this. I forone agree with Sponge, am I going to praise him for knowing Billups and Kidd wouldn't play good. Hell NO, But I will agree with him to AN EXTENT. Just because my opinion is that it is fixed to an extent shouldn't have any relevance as to why I gamble. It being fixed doesn't BOTHER me enough to make me want to stop. I'm not 'complaining about it, i just am asking the question to those "WHO DO NOT THINK IT IS FIXED"
WHY IS IT SO IMPOSSIBLE TO BELIEVE IT IS?
What MAKES US WRONG? And I am NOT saying I am RIGHT, again just my "OPINION" but for those who believe IT IS DEFINITLY NOT. Why CAN'T IT BE?
Well that's simple. You want action. You just bet a different way. There is still one winner and one loser in a game. Just because a game is fixed doesn't mean a gambler can't win.
GamblingFool, well said.
Overall I agree that books know how to make money. Simple as that. They know more than most gamblers on top of the fact that they are getting juice.
I think there are a lot of games where they just even out both sides and collect the losers' juice.
I think there are some games where they just know more than everyone else and make a huge profit. Not just one game but a high enough percentage over the long haul.
And, I do believe, every now and then, weird things happen in games by dirty people. Its one of those things that you don't always see it and when you do, you can't really prove it. Don't always know who is behind it. But I do believe its there.
The example I have brought up a lot is Dallas/Miami from last years finals. Refs kept putting Heat on the line the whole game. It was ridiculous. Laughable. And the fact that it was a one-point win means the books cashed in even more. You will never convince me that game wasn't 100% fixed.
Overall I agree that books know how to make money. Simple as that. They know more than most gamblers on top of the fact that they are getting juice.
I think there are a lot of games where they just even out both sides and collect the losers' juice.
I think there are some games where they just know more than everyone else and make a huge profit. Not just one game but a high enough percentage over the long haul.
And, I do believe, every now and then, weird things happen in games by dirty people. Its one of those things that you don't always see it and when you do, you can't really prove it. Don't always know who is behind it. But I do believe its there.
The example I have brought up a lot is Dallas/Miami from last years finals. Refs kept putting Heat on the line the whole game. It was ridiculous. Laughable. And the fact that it was a one-point win means the books cashed in even more. You will never convince me that game wasn't 100% fixed.
