Myth of Environmental damage

Palehose

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Nobody doubts the damage ....we just find it hard to believe its because of humans .....they may add to a problem I know I have no probs buying into that .....But untill they can explian the Volcanic eruptions that dump more CFC'c into the air than the history of mankinds industry they have some explaining to do . The end result of this seems to point to an Ice age ...something mother earth is very accustomed to long before we existed .
 

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"The atmosphere almost looks like an eggshell on an egg, it's so very thin," she said. "We know that we don't have much air, we need to protect what we have."

I agree that we should be responsible with our resources, but comments like this are very close to being Chicken Little and simply a scare tactic to get press (which obviously worked).
 

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I guess we cannot damage the fragile egg shell by allowing the shuttle to come back to Earth.
 

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We better try and find a way to defeat Mt. St. Helens. It is emiting more air pollution then all humans in the entire state of Washington combined (about 200 tons per day of deadly sulphur dioxide). Maybe we could send the military up there to battle the volcano. After that we should invade Hawaii and take on Mauna Loa. If we can stop all these volcanoes from ruining our atmosphere then maybe there is hope.

Not sure what being a right wing conservative has to do with anything though. :mj03: Volcanos cause more damage than humans. Science is science and facts are facts.
 
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Those LIBERAL astronauts!

And golly-gawsh PaleHose, you sound EXACTLY like Manson. You (like he) STILL haven't proved the infamous Volcano claim.
 

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Here's your proof....get your head out of your ass. we've been thru this a million times and you are still in denial. Typical liberal. I guess the earth is flat huh Ocelot huh? and we never went to the moon right? lol...man you are lost.

from Spibblespab---

right now, the biggest single source of air pollution in Washington isn't a power plant, pulp mill or anything else created by man.

It's a volcano.

Since Mount St. Helens started erupting in early October, it has been pumping out between 50 and 250 tons a day of sulfur dioxide, the lung-stinging gas that causes acid rain and contributes to haze.

Those emissions are so high that if the volcano was a new factory, it probably couldn't get a permit to operate, said Clint Bowman, an atmospheric physicist for the Washington Department of Ecology.

All of the state's industries combined produce about 120 tons a day of the noxious gas.

The volcano has even pulled ahead of the coal-fired power plant near Centralia that is normally the state's top air polluter. In the mid-1990s, when the facility's emission rate was about 200 tons a day, regulators pressed for $250 million in pollution controls to bring it down to today's level of 27 tons.
 
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There has been volumes presented here by such sources as NASA (which apparently you guys agree with on this one) to support the fact that Volcanoes do significant damage. Is it 83%? I don't know and perhaps no one else knows. Instead of arguing over what the percentage is, can any of you environmental champions at least admit that pollution from nature is a problem? Can you admit that scientists on both sides of the coin say vastly different things about this? Can you agree that there is some truth to what both sides are saying? Or are you and the environmental specialist astronaut beyond reproach in this area? How many of you will trek over to the rain forest territory to stop the deforestation? After all, more than a few here have blasted MANSON for supporting the war and not enlisting. Well, to be equally absurd, why don't you environmentalists go chain yourself to a tree somewhere? It is no more assinine than saying someone who supports the war should enlist.
 

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ferdville said:
Instead of arguing over what the percentage is, can any of you environmental champions at least admit that pollution from nature is a problem? Can you admit that scientists on both sides of the coin say vastly different things about this? Can you agree that there is some truth to what both sides are saying?
Yes, I can.

My position has always been to learn as much as possible. Research in this science is not wasted money, IMO.
 

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ferdville, AGAIN :

I did not make the ridiculous statement that a single volcanic eruption has caused more pollution than all the humans in history.

I DO NOT dispute that volcanoes pollute the air.

I DO NOT think the problem needs more study before we take some action to mitigate HUMAN contribution.

I DO think the problem should be studied further.

I support minimizing human impact on the air and water.

None of these are contradictory statements.
 

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Those LIBERAL astronauts!

And golly-gawsh PaleHose, you sound EXACTLY like Manson. You (like he) STILL haven't proved the infamous Volcano claim.

Again what part is confusing you ???? Nobody says their isnt damage thats the only thing the astronauts are showing ...what is causing that damage is what is up for debate. They mention deforesting which I am sure dosent help but thats not even going on in the US for the most part ...not anymore anyways . If you read up on Deforestry its highest rate is going on around the equator in 3rd world country's that have been asked to stop but wont ....what do you want to do about that please explian ? I will even give you their side and you can start from there . These country's claim that America Europe and others already developed their lands and the deforestation is pretty much done for them ...they on the other hand are begining to develope their nations and dont find it fair that we should tell them to stop ...now go get em !

Gee Ocelot guess you will have to argue that out with Clint Bowman, an atmospheric physicist

or

A Gallup poll of scientists from the Meteorological Society and American Geophysical Society asked...."Are human actions causing global warming?" The results = A whopping 83% said NO.

I would love to see you debate them , but until than I will go with the Physicist over the Ocelot ... just call me crazy I guess. :mj07:


HOUSTON (Reuters) - Commander Eileen Collins said astronauts on shuttle Discovery had seen widespread environmental destruction on Earth and warned on Thursday that greater care was needed to protect natural resources.

Her comments came as NASA pondered whether to send astronauts out on an extra spacewalk to repair additional heat-protection damage on the first shuttle mission since the 2003 Columbia disaster.

Discovery is linked with the International Space Station and orbiting 220 miles above the Earth.

"Sometimes you can see how there is erosion, and you can see how there is deforestation. It's very widespread in some parts of the world," Collins said in a conversation from space with Japanese officials in Tokyo, including Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi.

"We would like to see, from the astronauts' point of view, people take good care of the Earth and replace the resources that have been used," said Collins, who was standing with Japanese astronaut Soichi Noguchi in front of a Japanese flag and holding a colorful fan.

Collins, flying her fourth shuttle mission, said the view from space made clear that Earth's atmosphere must be protected, too.

"The atmosphere almost looks like an eggshell on an egg, it's so very thin," she said. "We know that we don't have much air, we need to protect what we have."
 

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I have an Idea !! How about a Volcano Plug !!! Yeah thats it like a big Cork ! :mj07:
 

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ocelot said:
ferdville, AGAIN :

I did not make the ridiculous statement that a single volcanic eruption has caused more pollution than all the humans in history.

I DO NOT dispute that volcanoes pollute the air.

I DO NOT think the problem needs more study before we take some action to mitigate HUMAN contribution.

I DO think the problem should be studied further.

I support minimizing human impact on the air and water.

None of these are contradictory statements.

And Ferdville didnt make the statement either but an atmospheric physicist did :142smilie
 

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I think I read somewhere that Home Depot does not use any lumber that is not farm grown by them on land that they recycle now. If true, I think that is pretty impressive and very responsible corporate policy.

But, this may not be true because I do not have a source that can back it up.
 

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Still haven't proved the outlandish volcano claim CharlesHose...you know, the "all of human history" one? You've been asked at least 20 times and STILL haven't PRODUCED. Kind of like your Prez.

I KNOW ferdville didn't make the volcano claim numb-nuts. Are you truly stupid? Can you not read?

You know, I'm not going to continue talking to you PaleManson. You apparently are truly a moron devoid of the most basic rational thought processes. It is apparent that your ONLY objective is to aggravate people - therefore welcome to my ignore list in the good company of yourself - one Charleton Manson.

Idiot.
 

Palehose

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Once again wasent our claim it was the claim of a atmospheric physicist. Go argue with him I am sure your qualified to go head to head with him ....go get em :142smilie
 
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"We would like to see, from the astronauts' point of view, people take good care of the Earth and replace the resources that have been used," said Collins, who was standing with Japanese astronaut Soichi Noguchi in front of a Japanese flag and holding a colorful fan." :rolleyes:

Yeah, and we want every whale dead.
 
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