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The Bush 'Recovery' - A Giant Borrowing Binge


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The Bush 'Recovery' - A Giant Borrowing Binge
Has The Bush Economy Been Good For America?
By John Atcheson
The Baltimore Sun
12-30-3


Before America allows President Bush to take bows on the economy, let's take a closer look at this recovery. A simple thought experiment -- the kind former President Reagan used to like to do -- will help.

Imagine for a moment that you took all your credit cards and maxed them out. Now take your mortgage and borrow the maximum on it. Cash in the kid's college fund, your rainy day savings, your 401(k) retirement savings. While you're at it, stop paying for your health insurance and the maintenance on your house, your car and your yard. Now take all that money and spend it. Feeling pretty flush? Sure you are. You just pumped tens, maybe hundreds of thousands of dollars into your pocket.

But you'd never do that.

Because you know that just because you'd be living large for the time being, you wouldn't be wealthier. In fact, you'd be getting poorer by the minute. And yet, that's exactly what Bush's recovery is -- a giant borrowing binge. But he'd rather you didn't know that. In February, the administration buried a report from its own Treasury Department that said our current fiscal policies, the ones Bush likes to claim are bringing on a "recovery," would create more than $44 trillion in chronic debt.

As the London Financial Times noted, $44 trillion is roughly equivalent to 10 times the publicly held national debt, four years of U.S. economic output or more than 94 percent of all U.S. household assets. No wonder things seem good. We've cashed in everything we own at the Bush Pawn Shop, and now we're flashing a serious wad of walkin' around money.

The Democrats like to point out that we're still down some 2.5 million jobs since Bush took over and that, absent a miracle, Bush is likely to be the first president since Herbert Hoover to have fewer jobs at the end of his administration than when he took over. But the real story is, how can we not be living even larger, after borrowing all our children's assets and shrinking the Federal Reserve rate to the lowest level since 1958? What have we got to show for it?

An essentially jobless recovery. Bush likes to say the jobs will come. They'd better. Because right now, all he's managed to do is spend about $350 billion of "your money" to hire 328,000 checkout clerks and greeters at the local Wal-Mart. Meanwhile, we've shipped some 2.6 million high-paying manufacturing jobs overseas since January 2001. Is this a success?

So if we're cutting taxes by $350 billion a year in order to stimulate the economy and the economy is growing, but we're only getting an anemic response in employment, what's up? Kenneth L. Lay's stock portfolio, for one thing. And the portfolio of those Bush pioneers we hear so much about. And, of course, Bush's campaign contributions. As for the rest of us?

Bush seems to think people can eat gross domestic product. But a growing economy doesn't mean a whole lot if it's not creating jobs. Unless you happen to be Lay or one of those Bush pioneers who don't need a job to earn money.
Not a surprising result, really. Look at Bush's economic plan. He says the tax cuts were about "your money." But the truth is, if you're like 80 percent of Americans, most of the taxes you pay from "your money" are in the form of payroll taxes. And until Bush gave it away, you got "your money" and more back in the form of Social Security, Medicare and disability income.

Lay and his friends pay most of their taxes in the form of income taxes, dividends and capital gains. Guess which ones Bush cut? Not your payroll taxes. What's the biggest pot of money subject to double taxation? "Your money" -- the payroll tax. What double taxation did Bush eliminate? Ken and friends' dividend tax.

For some reason, Bush thought it was OK for you to be double taxed, but not all right for Ken and his CEO friends. Bottom line: Bush traded away "your money" to give his wealthiest millionaire buddies an annual tax cut of $40,000 or more each.

The Democrats seem to be trembling at the recent numbers on the economy. They shouldn't. We can't be a nation of Wal-Mart shoppers if we're all employed at Wal-Mart. And that's exactly where Bush's plan is taking most of us. Democrats should just quit worrying and give credit -- or blame -- where it's due.
 

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Your right!! I would much rather have the economy Bush inherited! Would'nt you? More liberal spin when the economy turns around.:moon:
 

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Re: Nation of Walmart Greeters?

aldabra said:
The Bush 'Recovery' - A Giant Borrowing Binge
Before America allows President Bush to take bows on the economy, let's take a closer look at this recovery.

The Democrats seem to be trembling at the recent numbers on the economy.
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All George W has to do is hold out until November 2004.

Don't rock the boat much.

Catch Bin Laden before summer.

And BINGO!

He wins re-election. Four more years and during that time don't matter what economy does.

HELLO AND WELCOME TO WAL-MART !


KOD
 

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i don't know about you guys, but i dropped my application off early before George W. takes all the Wal-jobs away!!!
 

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Aside from the medicare plan which I adamantly disagree with you might ask why for remaining deficiet. Do you remotely think 911 and 2 wars in 3 years could possible account for a few spent dollars Mr Spin doctor.

and taxes--you might want to read this again.

"We are approaching the point where voters adversely affected by the income tax are a minority that can be exploited to the hilt. There are 129 million taxpayers. The top 5 percent of income earners (6.5 million people) already bear 54 percent of the income tax burden. The top 25 percent (32 million people) pay 83 percent of the total personal income tax collection.
The remaining 75 percent of taxpayers (97 million people) bear only 17 percent of the income tax burden, and 70 million voters have no income tax liability whatsoever.
With 167 million voters with little or no income tax liability and 32 million burdened with 83 percent of the liability, have we achieved the tyranny of the majority? Will the political temptation to plunder the minority and to turn them into tax slaves destroy the creativity and productivity of the American economy?"
Paul Craig Roberts

Companys leaving-- I don't blame them with all the anti business flack from the left.. Maybe someday it will dawn on you it is good for your employer to be profitable--you need them they can find employees anywhere.

Bottom line If every conservative in this country suddenly vanished--This country would self destruct within a year.
If every liberal vanished it would not only prosper beyond belief,it would be Utopia.
I have probably posted this statement 10 times or more at various places and have yet to the 1st person even hint it is not correct.
 

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DOGS THAT BARK said:
Bottom line If every conservative in this country suddenly vanished--This country would self destruct within a year.
If every liberal vanished it would not only prosper beyond belief,it would be Utopia.
I have probably posted this statement 10 times or more at various places and have yet to the 1st person even hint it is not correct.

Come on. Even with all of the bullshit you post, you at least SOUND intelligent, even when your content says otherwise. But this is just plain ignorance.
 

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I hear your opinion,which i do get but still fail to to see your facts supporting otherwise which I never get.
Heres your chance to refute it with facts,I am always open to reasoning,facts and stats--but the your statement is void of all,and only a mere opinion. I will leave to play golf shortly but will put my facts in this thread later, and if you have anything except opinions I would invite you to do same.
 

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"There are 129 million taxpayers. The top 5 percent of income earners (6.5 million people) already bear 54 percent of the income tax burden. The top 25 percent (32 million people) pay 83 percent of the total personal income tax collection. The remaining 75 percent of taxpayers (97 million people) bear only 17 percent of the income tax burden, and 70 million voters have no income tax liability whatsoever. With 167 million voters with little or no income tax liability and 32 million burdened with 83 percent of the liability, have we achieved the tyranny of the majority? Will the political temptation to plunder the minority and to turn them into tax slaves destroy the creativity and productivity of the American economy?"

This is what bothers be me the most, the most often, in political circles. That is the question of - just because wealthy Americans have made something of themselves and can afford to pay more taxes, does that mean it should be levied against them? Gov Warner is going through the same thing in Virginia right now. Instead of cutting some of his massive spending programs, he is increasing them by the amount he wants to increase the income tax on the top third of the state. This shit really starts to wear on me after a while. Wasnt this country founded on the principal of encouraging everyone to be rich, to be succesful, to work hard and pull themselves up?

Freaking Dean is the one who kills me the most, talks (rambles) on and on about increasing the "working class wealth" - one of his favorite phrases - but then in the next speach, about how is is going to roll back tax cuts for the top 10%. So I guess he wants to fight for the little guy, wants to encourage the working class to increase their wealth, but only so far. Then hes going to have to tax you more just because he can.
 

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Scary isn't it.--and it will get worse. How society will survive is the question. ---but I may be ignorant in assuming one could survive when you have an entity with a "its not my fault" gimme philosophy and no one to fund them.

A picture is worth a thousands words
http://thewolfweb.com/photos/00001346.jpg

a further breakdown:
From: Political Affilliations and Demographics
"Some generally accepted political stereotypes are validated by statistical tendencies: Republicans/conservatives are more likely to have higher incomes, members of minority groups are more likely to be Democrats/liberals, etc.

Statistically, you're more likely to be a Republican and/or conservative if you're:

a man
a college graduate
in the top income bracket
an evangelical Christian
living in a rural area
a Thinker-Sensor
Statistically, you're more likely to be a Democrat and/or liberal if you're:

a woman
a senior citizen
gay
nonwhite
living in an urban area
a Feeler-Intuitor
Here are the references used for the list above and other resources for further reading on this subject"

Supporting stats from CNN 2000 Exit Polls
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2000/epolls/US/P000.html

I think one might find it of interest after viewing map to do search on areas leading in homicides-social service spending,rapes,aids ect and see how they superimpose over this map. Would be utopia to wipe out 75% of these malidies with a wave of a wand.---- oops,excuse my ignorance.
 

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In your example, you twisted liberal,,you could imagine that after leveraging all the dollars possible, you started your own business,,,then imagine it worked and you are a successful business owner hiring employees and making life better because of your willingness to take a risk.
That is the other side,,but you can't see that!
That's what creates wealth and that is what capitalism is all about.
Liberals don't like risk, they just want the goverment to help us all, and THAT IS THE HIGHEST RISK OF ALL!
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Instead of letting you keep $5 of your own money for an item and letting you buy a good or service on your own, Democrats like Warner would rather take that $5 from you into the coffers, pick which item you get and buy it for you.
 

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Joe I agree with you 100% I think you mis read post.

Ace: I wish I would have saved the anology on taxes I saw earlier in year here that someone posted.
It was about 3 guys going lunch--in the end one guy gets beat up because he has the money. It was in such logical format that even liberals were scratching their head. Can't find it though. I'll keep looking.
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Found it! Its included in article.

http://ff.org/centers/ccfsp/pdf/CCSFP-PP-July03.pdf
 
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DOGS THAT BARK said:
Joe I agree with you 100% I think you mis read post.

DTB, 100% agree with your post,,I was responding to the thread starter and post subject in general.
I'm so tired of heaing of the "tax break for the rich". Some people only repeat what they hear, because clearly we all received the breaks and received a check.
 
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