NC State laying too much?

justin22g

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I see this game being within 3 or 4 points... going either way. Another Defensive game... Although I see Whitehurst throwing over 250...

NC State defensive injuries

Miguel Scott FS Doubtful Week 7 (ankle)
Jeremy Gray CB Questionable Week 7 (ankle)
Phil Holloman CB Questionable Week 7 (ankle)
Marcus Hudson CB Questionable Week 7 (back)

Although State was my winner last week, I'm going to have to go with Clemson getting 5.

Clemson will keep this game in reach... I see it going down to the wire..

Also... what's the thoughs on the O/U?


I see Clemson winning this game outright.. or winning ats.
 

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Clemson. 4-1 against the spread this year. Haven't lost by more thank 6 all year(OT vs. Miami). No reason to think State blows them out for the 1st time all year, especially with Clemson having an extra week to rest and prepare.
 

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well, the only 2 guys that are on the injury report are gray an scott. everyone else is good to go. and speaking from experience, the extra week to rest and prepare is not always a good thing. i think the reason nc state is having such a hard time getting going is due to the disjointed schedule that they have played to this point. i think the fact that it was one week since their last game, not 13 days, not 5 days, ncsu will be a lot more consistent on both sides of the ball
 

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The week off, in this case for Clemson, can only be a good thing. After playing 5 consecutive down to the wire(2 OT) type games, the best thing for this team was some time to regroup and reload.
 

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Be careful with Clemson.. When you lose games like Clemson does, it takes the wind out of your sails. IF NCST gets out to a lead early, then I think Clemson is finished. Bowden is 0-5 on Thursday nights and lost last yr to this same team 38-6 on ESPN.

IF you're looking at injuries, then you better take a look at Clemson's O-line. They are banged up pretty bad and Amato will be physical on the defensive side of the ball. Don't think Clemson will have much time to throw tonight...
 

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Clemson's banged up on the O-line??? Might want to check your facts or perhaps stop spreading lies. The only offensive lineman who is hurt is a backup guard who has never seen the field(Christian Capote).

The guys starting will be the same ones who have started all 5 games this year.

I'm interested in why you think Clemson will give up should they get down. In all 5 games this year, Clemson has overcome 10 point deficits to either take the lead and win, or force overtime.

Before you give people any more mis-information, let's correct you on one more VERY BIG detail. "Lost last year to this same team 38-6 on ESPN." I respectfully disagree. I was there, and Clemson beat NCST by 6 points last season.

In 2002, when Clemson's current seniors were freshmen, NCST beat us 38-6 with Phillip Rivers and T.A. McClendon. Those guys? you guessed, no where to be found.

I am not saying Clemson will win or even cover. I am on them so I certainly hope so, but you are either ignorant to the topic, or you are spreading lies.
 

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Dicky V , Had FLA against LAF last wk and followed the game, LAF could move the ball on the ground and for what ever reason went away from it. I know their QB may not play but if he did this game would be a PK. LAF won last yr and in 2002 against these guys. I think LAF can run the ball and stay in this game. ARK best player TB Warren may not play and if he does, LaL held this guy under raps last yr accept one big run for 80 yards. This line looks for people to over react to last wks game.
 

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I don't know what the hell Mach1 is talking about either, but I do like NC ST. to win by 10.
 

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Nc St had lost 6 st in the ACC before last wks luky win, Clemson is not much better but don't like to bet on QB's that toss it around like Davis. This guy can blow it up on a few plays .
 
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OK MR CLEMSON!!!!!

I will explain myself, since YOU requested it.. I have no depth chart on Clemson, so seeing that they usually post injuries to people who actually play the game, I was concerned that no-one had seen the obvious. My mistake, however it is still pertinent information to the average person. What happens when one of your linemen go down this week against one of the best D's in the country? Depth becomes an obvious problem at that point, I'm sure you would agree.

Offensive lineman Christian Capote (foot) is doubtful for Thursday s game against North Carolina State. Defensive lineman Dorell Scott (leg) is questionable. Offensive lineman Chris McDuffie (calf) is probable. Wide receiver Kelvin Grant (knee) and tight end Cole Downer (spleen) are expected to miss the remainder of the season.

Why would I think this team will fold against NCST..

#1) A loss to perenial loser Wake Forest would be one Big reason.

When you lose to a team that you were suppose to dominate and then have to wait a week to play again, then it's like a wound that continues to fester and puss. Your mental state is being challenged. With 18 to 21 yr old kids this theory is magnified. You get one bad call or you go 3 and out for a few possesions and your done. It's what I call the "Here we go again" theory.


#2) Your Defense..

Contrary to your remark that in all five games they have overcome deficits. The defense has been unable to bail the team out recently, such as when they surrendered 10 points, including the deciding touchdown with 33 seconds showing on the clock at Wake Forest. Clemson is allowing 61% completion rate to opposing QB's this yr.

#3) NCST's D..

They gave up a whoping 20 pts to VT this yr. and only gave up 14pts to another ranked team last week in GT. DO you really believe you'll put up 24pts on a Defense that won't allow you to run the ball. They've given up just 3 rushing TD's and just 3ypc. I don't care if you have all your starting linemen or not, you won't run against this D. Once they stop the run they only give up 40% completion rate to thier opponents with 5 ints and 4 scores..

#4) Trends..

I'm a believer when it comes to trends and my sources tell me that this scenario has come up twice already this season and is 2-0 SU and ATS. Non-Saturday road underdogs off scoring and allowing 27+ points are 0-9 SU & ATS in Games 3-10 vs. opponents not off a road OT SU loss. This is significant, because they lost to WF in the last 33 seconds. Tough road loss and then have to travel to a great defensive team.

#5) Revenge..

Before I bore you with the details of this reason, let me first say that you were correct when I falsified last yr's score on ESPN. What I should have typed was that last time these two met on Thursday Nights ESPN game NCST BLEW them out 38-6. Last yr NCST was going in for the win at the 4yd line when they threw an Interception to end the game. Talk about a bitter loss. NCST outgained Clemson 255-185 and had 6 TO's. Tonight they're at home and I just don't see another performance like that in Raleigh..

#6) Home Field

If I know Raleigh, they've already started tailgating since Sun Rise. They'll be rockin' tonight..

I must say, this was a first after over 3 yrs of being on this site. I've never been called ignorant or a liar before, but I understand the sensitive nature for your paws and yes I did quote the wrong date to which Clemson was BLOWN out, however I didn't post something that could be construed as a LIAR, Ignorant maybe, but certainly not a LIAR..
 

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TigerPaws,

I agree with Mach1.

You were a bit harsh in your comments.

Maybe he was mistaken on a couple of things, but no need to lash out on him.

Mach1 is a solid capper and has been here for a while.

It's not like he was making fun of your picks or your post, or anything of the sort.

His information was a bit off, and he corrected himself.

So what.

Give the guy a break.

And I still think NC ST. wins by 10.
 

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24-20 State... hell i was accurate as hell last week predicting scores... so dont listen to me... this week is probably going to exact diff. direction
 

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Good thread, thats what this forum is about. Talking about the games and breaking them down. Mach gave good info and always gives good info. Still not sure who I am going with but NC ST. is looking a little better now.

Good Luck either way!
 

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Well, your reasons are all hogwash now. I have tailed you many a time, but I just couldn't sit in while those things were posted. If I were reading and didn't know any better, I wouldn't want any false info. to effect my plays in any way. Sorry if it came off a little harsh, I guess I just wanted to put the right information out there.

That said, my 176$ on Clemson -3.5(+300) was a winner in the 1st half. The offensive line was awesome, and had James Davis not gone down, the score would have been a lot worse.

That said, good luck this weekend. Let's hammer the man.
 
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