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gman2

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got hooked on miami,oh and uconn during the week :banghead: . after looking over some numbers, found im hitting 71% of my bigger plays (5 of 7) :yup and am seriously in the 40% :scared range for regular plays. my suggestion to anyone who tails: play the big ones, fade the shit out of the normal ones until i get some consistency back. (which this week would be wake and latech)

(big) toledo (-14.5) over ball state
* toledo's first two atrocious weeks making for incredibly soft lines on their games now. this offense is getting into a groove now (theyve had almost 1,000 yards of total offense the last two weeks). and this game is actually a revenger for toledo, as bsu beat them in muncie last year. gradkowski 44/54 for 614 and 5TDS/noINTS L2 weeks. purdue put up 599 yards of offense vs ball state. toledo runs the same kinds of sets that purdue does and ball state had no chance of stopping the boilers spread offense. its not going to be any different here. only difference is that ball state might score 14 or 17 points. problem is, toledo is gonna score 40 or 45.

(big) oregon (-2) over arizona state
* another team thats dominant at home (35-5 SU L40) catching arizona state of two big revengers. devils dominated iowa, and played so-so vs. oregon state. oregon, meanwhile, has a score of their own to settle (see: october 11th, 2003. arizona state 59 oregon 14). betting against belotti in big games at autzen is a good way to hurt the bankroll. devils have actually been outgained in 2 of their 4 games this year (vs. nwestern by about 30 and vs. oregon state by about 120). to asu's credit, they won both games and thats a sign of a good team. but they cant give up big chunks of yards if they expect to win in one of the toughest venues in college football.

(big) kent state and central michigan over 49
* im in shock over how low this number is. thought it would be at least 54 or 55. then again, i guess a cursory glance at final scores to this point would say 49 might be right. but this game should crack the number w/no problem. kent has been putting up good offensive numbers the last two weeks, but killing themselves with turnovers and untimely penalties. obviously that has the potential to kill scoring drives but ill take my chances. cmich is going to really test this kent state run defense (which is below average. they just havent played anyone - akron and rutgers have terrible rushing attacks) and cribbs is cribbs - he alone can cause havoc for the cmich defense. in sum, im playing this game mainly because i think kent has left a lot of points on the board the last few weeks and this number is soft. and i also dont think the kent D is as good as numbers indicate. someone is going to score 30 here. i just dont know which team. also- kent has traditionally been a terrible defensive team on the road in mac play. just last season, they played games of 41-38, 49-33, 37-33, and 42-33 away from home.

wake forest (+11) over nc state
* ill bite on wake again. im just not convinced this nc state offense can score enough to pull away and cover double digits. the defense is very good. but i think ncstate will be better suited for the dog role this year as opposed to chalk. both teams in off of wins in the final 1:00 of play last week. both teams want to pound the shit out of the ball on the ground, and i cant see this game getting stretched out to double digits on either side. the ncstate passing game is bordering on putrid to this point. wake at least has some semblance of a passing game to balance out their strong rush attack.

louisiana tech (+14) over fresno
* i think its a little much for fresno to be laying 14 points of conference road chalk to a battle-tested team like latech. im not saying latech is anything special, but facing miami and tennessee in back-to-back weeks can only help them during wac play. tech is much more balanced than in years past as well. now they have a good rushing game to complement their pass offense, so theyre not as one-dimensional. fresno is a solid team, but how good do those wins over washington and kansas state really look now? good enough to lay 14 points a thousand miles from home? tech keeps this within single digits. i figured this line was going to be 9 or 9.5. ill take 14 and run with no shame.

oregon state 2nd half (pk -120) over california
beavers in full come-from-behind mode right now. cal should be conservative with their possessions while anderson should be airing it out (although im not sure thats always a good thing given his accuracy) nonetheless, i think osu makes a push here in the 2h. cal has a mammoth game on deck. are they disciplined enough win this final 30:00 on the road with the trojans looming? me thinks no.
 
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GL this week Gman. I'm seriously considering Toledo as I already have the over at 61 on that game. Oregon looks quite tempting in this spot. I played Marshall -6 as I just think they have played better this season & have the better team & I see them getting their season on track here.

I like NW alot as well as I played them at +11.5 What # are you looking for with the Wildcats? I played the over in the Miami-GT game as I though the # should have been around 51 so I'll bite at a few points shorter.
 

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hockey:

im trying to find at least an 11.5. all my outs have 10.5 or 11. i think 11 to 11.5 is a significant difference especially in college (24-13, 28-17, etc.) im sure i wont have any problem finding that 11.5 you have at some point this week.

miami ripped marshall pretty good last year, so herd does have some revenge but stan hill didnt play in that game as you recall. i just think miami has the better balance. marshall's defense is outstanding but i trust the miami offense a little more. theyre so explosive (the way we were used to marshall being explosive for the last five or six years) and it seems like betts is settling down and be himself and not trying to be roethlisberger. marshall is certainly not your typical 0-3 team though. they went tom izzo-style with their non-conference scheduling.
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I agree with you fully on the importance of 11.5 which is why if I buy points on a dog around that range, I will buy it to 11.5.

I am sure you will get that 11.5 as well. Marshall sure did go Izzo this year & I thought they should have won at Ohio State & Georgia. The game should be a good one either way. This is shaping up to be a very exciting & action packed week of football with only one day off from it!

I'm most excited about the WNBA playoffs though, lets go Storm!!!
 

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In their game on 9/18, Miami,O won/cov v Ohio+18, 40-20.

With 37 secs left, Betts threw a 23 yd pass to Martin Nance for a td and the cash. Some covers are better than others, but this one ranks on the lower end of the bell curve.

Given the revenge factor, Marshall's defense and Miami's previous performances, I think Miami is in for a long night.


MARSHALL in a rout.

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gman,

The concerns that I have with N'Western is their defensive depth and Basanez's shoulder as noted in the article below from the Trib. The defense has lost it's best lineman, best backer and best defensive back. I totally discounted that factor last week, but won't do it again. Ohio State as a dd fav? no thanks, but NW? Don't like that either

"Northwestern lost quarterback Brett Basanez for a sizable chunk of the second half in Saturday's loss at Minnesota. The Wildcats hope they haven't lost him for Saturday's meeting with Ohio State.

Basanez suffered a right shoulder sprain on a touchdown run in the Metrodome, left the game and later returned briefly. But he was replaced by freshman Chris Malleo and could be out again this week depending on the condition of his shoulder.

"We expect Brett to play," coach Randy Walker said Monday. "We're waiting to see where things are [Tuesday]. How much he's limited, we'll know more as the week goes on."
 

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I agree with you fully on the importance of 11.5 which is why if I buy points on a dog around that range, I will buy it to 11.5.

I am sure you will get that 11.5 as well. Marshall sure did go Izzo this year & I thought they should have won at Ohio State & Georgia. The game should be a good one either way. This is shaping up to be a very exciting & action packed week of football with only one day off from it!

I'm most excited about the WNBA playoffs though, lets go Storm!!!


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gman2, gl on your Rockets, i played them LW, I thnk ur onto something ... any thoughts on GA, double revenge for them?

take care, gregg
 

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bobby - thanks for that info. keep me posted. one thing i know for damn sure - im not playing a freshman quarterback vs. one of the premier defenses in the country, even if the line went to 14.5 or 15. just wouldnt be worth the risk. let me know when everything becomes more clear.

buddy - valid points. my counterargument would be that miami was up 33-7 with 13:00 to go in the 4th quarter before they put it on cruise control and allowed ohio to sneak in for what appear to be a backdoor cover. the final score 're-covered' a game for miami in which they probably deserved to cash for their bettors

johnny - my info is so good, it can pass through 3 time zones and not lose its value.
 

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I'm big on UGA - unfortunately, I bought it down to 3 as soon as it went on the board (thinking the line would move to 4 rather than 3). I think this game will be like UGA's performance last year against UT - an offensive breakout. This is the first game UGA will be hyped for; not to mention the revenge factor. Compare this UGA team to the one LSU met 2 weeks ago and you'll have your answer.


G, I think you're dead on as far as the lines being soft on Toledo due to earlier performances. This may be the last game you can get some serious value out of Toledo....
 

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miami, ohio (+7) over marshall

both teams have underachieved a little to this point, marshall with an inexcusable home loss to troy and miami with an inexcusable away loss to cincinnati (even though uc is a rival from a bigger conference, miami had no business not winning by 7+). but these two are still in the top three in the mac (with toledo). marshall is definitely a deceptive 0-3 and their defense is excellent. if they would have scheduled cupcakes, they could probably be 2-1 right now. but im not sure if marshall has the skill position players on offense like theyve had in the past - which is why that troy state game might not have been an aberration, even though it was week 1. obviously going up against the defenses of osu and georgia will skew their early season #s. but they have failed to crack 200 yards of total offense in two of their three games (troy and georgia). marshall is not a slouch program. there is no reason for a premier mid-major to not have at least 250 yds of offense even on the road vs the big boys. 177 at home against troy is puzzling. theyre relying more on defense this year and for good reason- the D is VERY good. miami is just as loaded as they were last year, except without roethlisberger (certainly no small loss though). its taken betts a little while to settle in, but i like the way he looked against ohio. and those wide receivers he can throw to are ridiculously good. both these teams are so well-coached that it could come down to a special teams play, and miami has one of the premier return men in the nation in ryne robinson. hes AVERAGING 23 yards a punt return and 18 yards a kick return and has already taken two to the house this year. in my opinion, this game is a complete tossup. marshall has the better quarterback, but miami has the better offensive weapons and skill players. marshall has the better defense, but miami has the better special teams. theres no reason this one shouldnt go down to the final possession with miami having a shot to win outright. keep in mind, although marshall has revenge from last season, the redhawks havent forgotten about the absolute jamming they received from the refs the last time they were in huntington (2002, espn game). im calling for the slight upset here.
 
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love the asu play; people forget oreg played ou very tough at OU and lost to indiana due to turnovers; they actually dominated indiana; i believe oreg should be able to get to walter and oreg state defense shut down walter last weekend and think oreg does the same here

gman; have you looked at the vandy game; miss state is a go against team and dont see them turning it around here
 
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