Neocon ?History? Versus Rational Truth

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Neocon ?History? Versus Rational Truth

Posted by Christopher Manion on September 3, 2010 08:18 AM

Obama is ?distracted? from empire-building, moans Charles Krauthammer. And seldom has a neocon laid his cards so visibly face up on the table. For Krauthammer, to announce that the U.S. will ever leave Afghanistan means certain defeat ? whatever ?victory? is. And to be ?distracted? by reality ? the disasters at home, exacerbated by the wars that Krauthammer has supported ab initio ? is not prudent and rational, but ?scandalous.?

In pretending to attack Obama, Krauthammer exquisitely illustrates his real target: reality. He personifies the ideological rejection of rationality advanced by the neocons for years: ?Some presidents may not like being wartime leaders,? he writes. ?But they don?t get to decide. History does.? This unctuous snarl harmonizes perfectly with the contempt of rational inquiry Krauthammer expressed shortly after 9-11, when he denounced those who demanded a rational debate about the American response as ?navel-gazers.?

Krauthammer?s ire demonstrates the triumph of the ideological concept of ?History? over the two thousand years of real history in which the West was distinguished by its celebration of human nature and rationality. In post-enlightenment thought, especially in Hegel and Marx, ?History,? not reason, rules, and man obeys ? even presidents are powerless to make rational decisions. ?History? dictates the future ? it is the future, not the past ? and History absolves everything done in its name. Just ask Mao, Stalin, Hitler, and their ideological bedfellows in the West. That?s why Tony Blair, now awash in countless millions (his reward for being George Bush?s lapdog in Iraq) could stand beside Bush during the war and proclaim that ?History will vindicate us.?

Reality has now soundly condemned Blair, but the ideological nightmare lives on: To hell with the people, with rationality, and with the truth. When we?ll all dead (some of us made richer, and others impoverished, by endless war), they?ll be building statues on the Mall of Tony and W and Krauthammer because History, not reason, demands it.
 

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Krauthammer is full of shit (once again, IMO) when he says Presidents don't get to decide about going to war. George Bush II sure as Hell had complete choice in the Iraq situation, and history had very little to do with it, if anything. In many wartime situations, history had everything to do with it. But leave it to Krauthammer to maintain Bush had no choice but to go to war in Iraq.

More clear, objective analysis from the man aptly titled, "Kraut-Hammer."

:rolleyes:
 

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Paris Authorities Look Other Way as Muslims Block Streets for Weekly Prayers

Tens of thousands of Muslims poured into the heavily guarded Al-Aqsa mosque compound in Jerusalem for the last Friday prayers of the holy month of Ramadan.
Israeli police put the number of worshippers at 160,000 to 170,000, while Muslim authorities said it exceeded 200,000.

"As in previous weeks, the police deployed 2,000 men around the mosque. They have not interfered, and the prayer has taken place with the utmost calm," police spokesman Shmulik Ben Ruby said.

The sprawling mosque compound is the third holiest site in Islam after Mecca and Medina. It is also the holiest site in Judaism because it was the location of the Second Temple, razed by the Romans in 70 AD.

The compound is inside Jerusalem's famed Old City in Arab east Jerusalem, which Israel occupied in the 1967 Six Day War and annexed in a move not recognised by the international community.

The fate of Jerusalem is one of the thorniest issues in the Middle East peace process, with Israel claiming the entire city as its capital and the Palestinians demanding east Jerusalem as the capital of their promised state.

As with past Fridays, Israel limited access to the compound to men over the age of 50, women over the age of 40 and children, and only granted visiting permits to a limited number of Palestinians from the occupied West Bank.

The site has frequently been the site of violence, most notably in 2000 when the second Palestinian uprising erupted after a visit to the compound by Ariel Sharon, a right-wing politician who went on to become Israel's prime minister.

The holy month of Ramadan, when Muslims fast from dawn to dusk, is expected to end on September 9 or 10, depending on the sighting of the new moon.



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I know I will be accused of not being on topic

but who really cares ass eyes.

Listen this is the brunt of the hatred in the middle east.

Until something is done about this.

It will not be solved.
 

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Krauthammer is full of shit (once again, IMO) when he says Presidents don't get to decide about going to war. George Bush II sure as Hell had complete choice in the Iraq situation, and history had very little to do with it, if anything. In many wartime situations, history had everything to do with it. But leave it to Krauthammer to maintain Bush had no choice but to go to war in Iraq.

More clear, objective analysis from the man aptly titled, "Kraut-Hammer."

:rolleyes:

These far left and far right columnists have to be ignored. Just like this assfuck. Bush had every chance to not attack Iraq. Unbelievable.
 

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Text size: Decrease Increase Prof in '03 plague scare sets off airport shutdown
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MIAMI ? The suspicions airport security officials had when they saw the metal canister grew when they learned about the man who brought it in from the Middle East: a scientist who sparked a bioterrorism scare after he reported missing vials of plague samples seven years ago.

Miami-Dade Fire Rescue trucks are shown on the arrival level at Miami International Airport in Miami, early Friday morning, Sept. 3, 2010. A spokesman for Miami International Airport says four of its six concourses have been evacuated as a police bomb squad investigates a report of a suspicious item. (AP Photo/Alan Diaz)

A Miami-Dade Police officer escorts passengers out of the terminal at Miami International Airport in Miami, early morning Friday, Sept. 3, 2010. A spokesman for Miami International Airport says four of its six concourses have been evacuated as a police bomb squad investigates a report of a suspicious item. (AP Photo/Alan Diaz)

A Miami-Dade Police and Fire Rescue officers are seen on the arrival level at Miami International Airport in Miami, early morning Friday, Sept. 3, 2010. A spokesman for Miami International Airport says four of its six concourses have been evacuated as a police bomb squad investigates a report of a suspicious item. Several flights were diverted to other parts of the terminal.(AP Photo/Alan Diaz)

Miami-Dade Police and Fire Rescue vehicles are shown at the arrival level at Miami International Airport in Miami, early morning Friday, Sept. 3, 2010. A spokesman for Miami International Airport says four of its six concourses have been evacuated as a police bomb squad investigates a report of a suspicious item. (AP Photo/Alan Diaz)

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Officials shut down most of Miami International Airport overnight, roused nearby hotel guests from their beds and detained Dr. Thomas Butler until Friday morning, when he was released without charges, a senior law enforcement official said.

Tests on the canister found nothing dangerous, said the senior law enforcement official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he wasn't authorized to release the information. Homeland Security spokesman Nicholas Kimball said the item resembled a pipe bomb.

Butler's former lawyer said the incident appeared to be a "fantastic overreaction."

Butler, 70, is a world-renowned plague researcher who quickly became the focus of a federal investigation in 2003 when he reported that 30 vials of plague samples possibly had been stolen from his Texas Tech University lab.

He was later acquitted of smuggling and illegally transporting the potentially deadly germ, and of lying to federal agents about the missing vials. Jurors found Butler guilty of the mislabeling and unauthorized export of a FedEx package that contained plague samples he sent to Tanzania.

He was also convicted of fraud and theft and sentenced to two years in prison for defrauding Texas Tech about illegally negotiated contracts he had with pharmaceutical companies with which he also had clinical studies contracts.

Before Butler's trial, leading scientific organizations expressed concern about the criminal case against him and its effect on infectious disease research. Four Nobel laureates said in an open letter that Butler had been "subjected to unfair and disproportionate treatment."

Jonathan Turley, a George Washington University law professor who represented Butler in his unsuccessful appeals, said the scientist "has spent his entire life protecting and healing people in some of the most impoverished areas of the world. He would never do anything that would endanger people."

The senior law enforcement official told the AP that a Transportation Security Administration inspector noticed an odd container around 9 p.m. Thursday as Butler was going through customs. He had arrived on a flight from the Middle East, where he had been teaching at a Saudi Arabian university.

The inspector ran Butler's name through a database and discovered that he had been tried on the plague-related charges. Officials decided to evacuate the airport and detain Butler, who cooperated fully, the law enforcement official said.

A Miami-Dade police bomb squad spent hours scouring the airport. Between 100 and 200 passengers were evacuated from four of the airport's six concourses. Airport roadways and a hotel near the airport's international terminal were closed down. Police and airport officials described the shutdown of the concourses as a public safety precaution.

Butler was released after tests showed that he, the container and his other belongings did not contain any hazardous biological material or explosives, the official said.

The canister was used to transport dead bacteria samples and was a legitimate experiment, said another government official who also requested anonymity to discuss the ongoing investigation. Without naming Butler, the official said the scientist is a professor at Ross University, a medical school in the Caribbean island of Dominica, and on a teaching assignment in Saudi Arabia.

Passengers, workers and others were allowed back in just as the airport was expecting the first of 1,500 passengers on flights between 4 and 6 a.m. alone ? and more thereafter.

"Everything's back to normal," airport spokesman Greg Chin told the AP.

Butler's 2003 report of missing plague vials set off a frantic search that ended when Butler gave FBI agents a written statement in which he admitted a "misjudgment" in not telling his supervisor that the vials had been "accidentally destroyed," according to court records. At trial, Butler testified that FBI agents forced him to make the admission to calm the public's fears.

Turley said he hoped to speak later Friday with the researcher. He said the Miami incident "appears to be a fantastic overreaction," and is "ironic because we defeated all the national security counts in the case."

"The only plague claim he was convicted of was a highly technical paper violation; he literally checked the wrong box on the form," Turley said. He added, "I find it strange to evacuate an airport because a guy was convicted of contractual violations with a university."

Peter Agre, a Nobel Prize-winning biochemist who supported Butler against the 2003 charges, said he'd be astonished if Butler did anything wrong.

"I suspect because he's Tom Butler and on a list as coming from Saudi Arabia, he's being scutinized and somebody pushed the panic button," Agre said in a telephone interview from the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health in Baltimore.

In Lubbock, Texas, no one answered the door at an address that a U.S. Department of Commerce website says is Butler's.

Butler was on supervised release from prison until 2008. He also agreed to retire from Texas Tech and to surrender his medical license.

He is not currently licensed in Texas, a spokeswoman for the Texas Medical Board said Friday.

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Does it sound to anyone like planes are being tested again over and over to see what will work ?

I guess it would be the only way to know


I have faith in our country

Long live America
 

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These far left and far right columnists have to be ignored. Just like this assfuck. Bush had every chance to not attack Iraq. Unbelievable.
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we will never know but the real reason about Iraq was the attempt on Old Georges life when he was in Kuwait I think it was.

they saw that as reason enough

and when you think about it

It probably was
 

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Scientists discover recipe for water in spaceBy Melissa Gray, CNN
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The lines revealed heat, European scientists say
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London, England (CNN) -- European scientists say they've figured out the recipe for water in space: Just add starlight.

They made the discovery while examining a dying star that is 500 light-years away from Earth, using an infrared observatory launched by the European Space Agency last year.

"This is a good example of how better instruments can change our picture completely," said Leen Decin of the Catholic University of Leuven in Belgium, who is the lead author of the paper about the work.

The story begins in 2001, when astronomers discovered an unexpected cloud of water vapor around an old star called IRC+10216. The star is known as a carbon star, not thought to make much water, so scientists initially thought the star's heat must have evaporated comets or dwarf planets to produce the water vapor.

After the European Space Agency's Herschel laboratory launched last year, however, scientists discovered spectral lines in the light coming from the water vapor.

"Some of these lines can only be there if the temperature is high, otherwise we wouldn't see them," said Goran Pilbratt, a project scientist for the Herschel space observatory. "None of them have been seen before."

Those spectral lines gave scientists a vital clue: The water was hot, with temperatures as high as 800 degrees Celsius (nearly 1,500 degrees Fahrenheit). That meant the water was too hot to have been formed by the destruction of icy celestial bodies, and had to have been formed much closer to the star than comets could stably exist.

So if the water wasn't the result of comets being blasted apart as they passed by, scientists wondered, where did it come from?

The water vapor sits in a dusty cloud surrounding IRC+10216. Scientists deduced that ultraviolet light from surrounding stars had penetrated that dusty cloud, breaking up molecules in it like carbon monoxide and silicon monoxide, which in turn released oxygen atoms.

Those oxygen atoms attached themselves to hydrogen molecules, forming water.

"The ultraviolet light didn't create it -- it helped it to be formed," Pilbratt told CNN.

Ultraviolet light is the only way water could have been produced in such conditions, he said.

IRC+10216 is a red giant star, hundreds of times the sun's size, the European Space Agency said. If it replaced the sun in our solar system, it would extend beyond the orbit of Mars.

The star is barely detectable at visible wavelengths because of that huge cloud of dust surrounding it. It can be seen at some infrared wavelengths, however, because the dust cloud absorbs almost all of the star's visible radiation and re-emits it as infrared light.

Scientists now hope to observe other carbon stars. "We are very hopeful that Herschel will find the same situations around those stars too," Decin said.
 

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we will never know but the real reason about Iraq was the attempt on Old Georges life when he was in Kuwait I think it was.

they saw that as reason enough

and when you think about it

It probably was


BINGO! Someone finally got it. And I don't blame him for trying to get revenge against someone who tried to kill his father. But boy did he pull the wool over everyone's eyes.
 

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BINGO! Someone finally got it. And I don't blame him for trying to get revenge against someone who tried to kill his father. But boy did he pull the wool over everyone's eyes.

Then GW himself should have hired out Eric Prince and Blackwater to Whack Saddam instead of the 4,735** and still counting dead troops from the the "Coalition of the Coerced"

** Number of U.S. Military Personnel Sacrificed (Officially acknowledged) In U.S. War And Occupation Of Iraq 4,735


No, he didn't pull the wool over everyones eyes
 

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Published on Tuesday, October 19, 2004 by the Inter Press Service
So, Did Saddam Hussein Try to Kill Bush's Dad?
by Jim Lobe

WASHINGTON - Now that President George W. Bush's allegations about former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein's ties to al-Qaeda and ambitious weapons programs have been thoroughly discredited, another outstanding charge remains to be resolved.

During a campaign speech in September 2002, Bush cited a number of reasons -- in addition to alleged terrorist links and weapons of mass destruction (WMD) about why Saddam was so dangerous to the U.S., noting, in particular that, ''After all, this is the guy who tired to kill my dad.''

He was referring, of course, to an alleged plot by Iraqi intelligence to assassinate Bush's father, former president George H.W. Bush, during his triumphal visit to Kuwait in April, 1993, 25 months after U.S.-led forces chased Iraqi troops out of Kuwait in the first Gulf War and three months after Bush Sr. surrendered the White House to Bill Clinton.

Although he did not name his father, Bush Jr. also cited the assassination attempt in his September 2002 address at the United Nations General Assembly where he called on the U.N. Security Council to approve a tough resolution demanding that Saddam fully give up his (non-existent) WMD weapons and programs

While the alleged plot was never cited officially as a cause for going to war, some pundits -- including Maureen Dowd of the 'New York Times'-- have speculated that revenge or some oedipal desire to show up his father may indeed have been one of the factors that drove him to Baghdad -- as the sign of one demonstrator suggested in a big anti-war march here just before the war: ''I love my dad, too, but come on!''

The circumstances of the alleged plot, which ended in a trial and conviction of 11 Iraqis and three Kuwaitis, have always evoked skepticism, although Clinton himself was apparently sufficiently convinced after receiving reports from the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) to order a missile strike on the Iraqi intelligence headquarters in Baghdad that killed six civilians in June, 1993.

But a closer look at the 11-year-old plot, particularly in light of the findings by the Iraq Survey Group (ISG), the special team of experts that spent 15 months investigating Baghdad's WMD programs, that they were all dismantled in 1991, shortly after the end of the Gulf War, may now be warranted, especially if Bush is still laboring under the impression that Saddam ''tried to kill (his) dad''.

While the ISG's 960-page report, known as the Duelfer Report, does not address the assassination attempt, its chronology and depiction of Hussein's worldview -- adduced through lengthy interviews by one Arabic-speaking FBI investigator and other interviews of Saddam's closest advisers -- make the notion that the Iraqi dictator tried to kill Bush all the more implausible.

For one thing, Saddam, according to the report, was convinced that the CIA had thoroughly penetrated his regime and thus would know not only that he had dismantled his WMD (which the CIA apparently did not), but also would know about his plans for important intelligence operations. Under those circumstances, it is hard to understand why he would then order an assassination attempt on the former U.S. president.

Even more interesting, according to the report, was Saddam's ''complicated'' view of the U.S. While he derived ''prestige'' from being an enemy of the U.S., he also considered it to be ''equally prestigious for him to be an ally of the United States -- and regular entreaties were made during the last decade to explore this alternative''.

Indeed, beginning already in 1991, according to the report, ''very senior Iraqis close to the President made proposals through intermediaries for dialogue with Washington.''

''Baghdad offered flexibility on many issues, including offers to assist in the Israel- Palestine conflict. Moreover, in informal discussions, senior officials allowed that, if Iraq had a security relationship with the United States, it might be inclined to dispense with WMD programs and/or ambitions,'' it added.

The report even concluded that Iraq was willing to be Washington's ''best friend in the region bar none''.

The fact that the U.S., under Bush Sr. and Clinton, did not show interest was apparently a source of bewilderment to the Iraqi leader, according to the Duelfer report.

If Saddam had tried to kill the ex-president, he probably would not have been bewildered by Washington's lack of interest, but, by all accounts, he was.

''From the report, Saddam seems to be not a madman, but someone who would understand very well the consequences of an assassination'', notes Gregory Thielmann, a former senior State Department analyst who specialized in Iraq's WMD programs

''If his top priority was getting the (UN economic) sanctions lifted (as indicated by the report), then it doesn't follow that he would try to kill the president of the United States,'' added Thielmann.

As portrayed by both the alleged assassins and the Kuwaitis who grabbed them, the plot was itself deeply amateurish, dependent on the leadership of Wali Abdelhadi Ghazali, a 36-year-old male nurse, Raad Abdel-Amir al-Assadi, from Najaf, and a dozen Iraqi whiskey smugglers led by a 33-year-old owner of a coffee shop in Basra that was meeting-place for cross-border smugglers. Despite his age, al-Assadi confessed to being a colonel in the Iraqi intelligence service, the Mukhabarat, according to the Kuwait authorities.

Ghazali, who initially said he was approached and supplied with explosives and cars by the Mukhabarat was the only person in the group who knew that Bush was the target. Other defendants confessed to transporting explosives across the border from Iraq but insisted they had no idea what they were for.

Both Ghazali and Assadi retracted their confessions during the trial, claiming that they were extracted by repeated beatings. At the time, Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International expressed strong doubts that the trials could be fair, noting that it had received credible reports of severe beatings meted out to defendants accused of capital crimes in Kuwait. Assadi insisted that he was asked by the Mukhabarat to plant bombs around shopping centers in Kuwait City.

U.S. investigators, however, reported that they believed the confessions were not coerced and noted the similarity in the construction of the bombs found with the Iraqis with one known to have been built in Iraq in 1991.

In October, 1993, however, New Yorker investigative journalist Seymour Hersh assailed the government's case as ''seriously flawed'', noting among other problems that seven bomb experts had told him that the devices were mass-produced and probably not even manufactured in Iraq.

Ambassador Joseph Wilson, who met with Saddam when he served as U.S. charge d'affaires in Baghdad during the Gulf War, said he found the plot ''odd''.

''(Saddam) had to have had some idea that his ability to run operations outside Iraq was not very good, because we had foiled so many things before the war. So you have to ask why someone who was a risk-taker but clearly not suicidal would undertake to assassinate a former president of the United States,'' pointed out Wilson.

Larry Johnson, a top counter-terrorist official at the State Department, said he still has ''no doubts'' about the plot, recalling Saddam's ''gangster'' ethic. ''Personal honor was involved,'' he said.
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Then GW himself should have hired out Eric Prince and Blackwater to Whack Saddam instead of the 4,735** and still counting dead troops from the the "Coalition of the Coerced"

** Number of U.S. Military Personnel Sacrificed (Officially acknowledged) In U.S. War And Occupation Of Iraq 4,735


No, he didn't pull the wool over everyones eyes

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no way they could have taken out Saddam

We had to destroy the country of Iraq to bring
him down and find him cowering in a hole in the ground.
 

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Paris Authorities Look Other Way as Muslims Block Streets for Weekly Prayers

Tens of thousands of Muslims poured into the heavily guarded Al-Aqsa mosque compound in Jerusalem for the last Friday prayers of the holy month of Ramadan.
Israeli police put the number of worshippers at 160,000 to 170,000, while Muslim authorities said it exceeded 200,000.

"As in previous weeks, the police deployed 2,000 men around the mosque. They have not interfered, and the prayer has taken place with the utmost calm," police spokesman Shmulik Ben Ruby said.

The sprawling mosque compound is the third holiest site in Islam after Mecca and Medina. It is also the holiest site in Judaism because it was the location of the Second Temple, razed by the Romans in 70 AD.

The compound is inside Jerusalem's famed Old City in Arab east Jerusalem, which Israel occupied in the 1967 Six Day War and annexed in a move not recognised by the international community.

The fate of Jerusalem is one of the thorniest issues in the Middle East peace process, with Israel claiming the entire city as its capital and the Palestinians demanding east Jerusalem as the capital of their promised state.

As with past Fridays, Israel limited access to the compound to men over the age of 50, women over the age of 40 and children, and only granted visiting permits to a limited number of Palestinians from the occupied West Bank.

The site has frequently been the site of violence, most notably in 2000 when the second Palestinian uprising erupted after a visit to the compound by Ariel Sharon, a right-wing politician who went on to become Israel's prime minister.

The holy month of Ramadan, when Muslims fast from dawn to dusk, is expected to end on September 9 or 10, depending on the sighting of the new moon.



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I know I will be accused of not being on topic

but who really cares ass eyes.

Listen this is the brunt of the hatred in the middle east.

Until something is done about this.

It will not be solved.

Until the Palestines and Muslims realize that Jerusalem is indeed GODS choosen land these problems will never go away.Read this,its kinda long but hard evidence backing up the Jews divine right to the city of Jerusalem,enjoy:


Jerusalem Watchman Recipe for a new blood libel ? ? ?Rejoice with Jerusalem!? Lest we forget [who owns] Jerusalem Posted on Monday 17 May 2010
It is not all that unusual for an Israeli politician to garnish his or her speeches with a verse or even two from the Bible (the Tanach or ?Old Testament.?) Religious and non-religious Jew alike will dip into the most famous and cherished Hebrew-language original to underscore a message to their people.

Prime ministers have also used the Bible to encourage Christian visitors to Israel to continue and increase their support of the Jewish state.

Somewhat less common is the practice of using the scriptures in the Knesset (Israeli parliament) to buttress one side of a political debate.

When, on Jerusalem Day last week, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu dared reference the Holy Book in defense of the Jews? claim to the city, the response was predictably harsh.

According to Reuters, Netanyahu told a parliamentary session commemorating the 1967 return of Jerusalem to Jewish control that ?Jerusalem? and its alternative Hebrew name ?Zion? appear 850 times in the Tanach.

?As to how many times Jerusalem is mentioned in the holy scriptures of other faiths, I recommend you check,? he said.

But when an Arab Knesset member challenged him, the news wire reported: Netanyahu ?offered a lesson in comparative religion from the lectern.?

?Because you asked: Jerusalem is mentioned 142 times in the New Testament, and none of the 16 various Arabic names for Jerusalem is mentioned in the Koran. But in an expanded interpretation of the Koran from the 12th century, one passage is said to refer to Jerusalem,? he said.

The indisputable fact was too much for PLO chief negotiator Sa?eb Erekat, who fired off this sanctimonious response:

?I find it very distasteful, this use of religion to incite hatred and fear,? said the man whose organization has a long and unbroken record of stirring hatred, and perpetrating and ?justifying? acts of terrorism with references from the Quran.

?East Jerusalem is an occupied Palestinian town, and East Jerusalem cannot continue to be occupied if there is to be peace,? he added, unblushingly warning that ?Palestinians? will continue to kill Jews as long as Jews insist that all Jerusalem is their capital.

No surprises there.

Netanyahu was quite correct in saying that there is not a single mention of Jerusalem in the Quran, whereas the Bible mentions the city nearly 1000 times.

Using an online Bible with a search engine, I sought to determine not just how many times this city is mentioned, but what is actually said about Jerusalem on some of these pages. This is what I learned:

That in 1004 BC(E), the Israelite king, David, overthrew a Jebusite stronghold located in the southern mountainous region of the land of Canaan, and relocated his throne from Hebron to the conquered city, Jerusalem, which he called the City of David. (2 Samuel 5)

David reigned over the entire nation of Israel from Jerusalem for 33 years. His son Solomon did likewise for another 40 years.

Because of Solomon?s sin, God tore away most the kingdom from his son. Nonetheless, Jerusalem remained the capital of the southern kingdom of Judah (thus of the Jewish people), and a son of David sat on the throne in that city until a total of 418 years had passed from David?s conquest.

The LORD God of Israel had told David and Solomon that ?in this house and in Jerusalem, which I have chosen out of all the tribes of Israel, I will put My name forever?? (2 Kings 21:7)

God had promised that, ?for the sake of Jerusalem which I have chosen,? He would keep the tribe of His servant David and give the city to a son of his. (1 Kings 11:13)

For: ?Nevertheless for David?s sake the LORD his God gave him a lamp in Jerusalem, by setting up his son after him and by establishing Jerusalem?? (1 Kings 15:4)

During this period, no fewer than 19 kings in David?s bloodline would rule from Jerusalem. (2 Samuel, 1 and 2 Kings, 1 and 2 Chronicles and the Psalms)

So we have it that, from David?s establishment of the city until its destruction by the Babylonians in 586 BC(E), Jerusalem was the capital of the Jews.

Their captivity in Babylon lasted 70 years, during which they mourned for their destroyed capital and temple and prayed fervently to return. They also vowed there, in exile, that they would never forget Jerusalem. (Psalm 137)

While in captivity the prophet Daniel prayed concerning Jerusalem:

?O Lord, according to all Your righteousness, I pray, let Your anger and Your fury be turned away from Your city Jerusalem, Your holy mountain; because for our sins, and for the iniquities of our fathers, Jerusalem and Your people are a reproach to all those around us?? (Daniel 9)

Beginning in 538 BC(E), during the reign of the Persian King Cyrus, the first exiles made their way back under Zerubbabel, and began to rebuild Jerusalem. Between 520 and 516 they rebuilt the temple, restoring the city to the center of Jewish worship and service to God. Circa 458 BC(E), during the reign of King Artaxerxes, another wave of Jews was permitted to return to Jerusalem under the leadership of Ezra. (Ezra 1-7)

?And they issued a proclamation throughout Judah and Jerusalem to all the descendants of the captivity, that they must gather at Jerusalem?? (Ezra 10:7)

Later, when Nehemiah was overseeing the rebuilding of the city wall, representatives of other nations ? Sanballat the Horonite, Tobiah the Ammonite and Geshem the Arab tried to stop them. Nehemiah?s answer to them was unequivocal:

?The God of heaven Himself will prosper us; therefore we His servants will arise and build, but you have no heritage or right or memorial in Jerusalem.? (Nehemiah 2:18)

Lots were then cast to decide which one out of every 10 men who returned from exile would make Jerusalem their home. (Nehemiah 11)

While it is true that the Davidic Dynasty was not continued upon their return, and in fact that the ensuing centuries saw hardly a single Jewish king ruling from Jerusalem ? the Jews? political leaders continued to use the city as the seat of government, and Jews flocked to Jerusalem from around the country and the known world to celebrate the three appointed biblical feasts. For the Jews, Jerusalem remained the capital from 538 BCE to AD 70 ? even under Roman occupation.

In the year AD 135, Jerusalem was flattened, and every last Jew finally driven from it. The Jews were also banned from entering the pagan city of Aelio Capitolina which the Emperor Hadrian built in Jerusalem?s stead.

By that time Jerusalem had been this nation?s capital for a total of 1091 years.

It was Rome?s avowed aim to eradicate every last Jewish link to, and interest in, Jerusalem. But what was achieved was the opposite. For the next 1832 years, wherever they were scattered on the face of the planet, and in the face of often-extreme persecution and suffering, the Jews clung to the belief in their return.

According to the Jewish prophets, a son of David would one day be restored to David?s Throne in the city of that great king. (Jeremiah 30; Amos 9)

Ezekiel too saw in a vision the glory of God, which had departed prior to the destruction of the Temple, returning to Jerusalem and entering the again-rebuilt Temple of God. (Ezekiel 43 and 44) There the Almighty again declared Jerusalem to be the place of His throne and of His footstool.

The Psalmist prophesied that there was a ?set time? in the future when God would have mercy on Zion, favor Jerusalem, build up the city and then appear in His glory. When He does this, the nations of the world will fear and serve Him. (Psalm 102:12-22)

Isaiah declares that in the ?latter days? the temple will be established anew in Jerusalem, from where God?s word would go out to all the nations of the world. (Isaiah 2)

It is in Jerusalem and on Mount Zion (the Temple Mount) that the Lord will reign in glory. (Isaiah 24)

Who is this LORD? Is it the Muslim god Allah? Emphatically not! He calls Himself the LORD God of ISRAEL. In Hebrew it is Yud-Heh-Vav-Heh (YHWH). It is a name and a title that He does not change.

We read on in Isaiah how this God will defend Jerusalem from all the nations that come against her. (Isaiah 31)

Later the prophet tells us that God has set watchmen on the walls of Jerusalem; they are commissioned to petition the Almighty on behalf of the city until it is established as a praise in all the earth. (Isaiah 62)

God plans to rejoice in Jerusalem and joy in His people Israel. (Isaiah 65)

?At that time Jerusalem shall be called The Throne of the LORD, and all the nations shall be gathered to it, to the name of the LORD, to Jerusalem. No more shall they follow the dictates of their evil hearts. In those days the house of Judah shall walk with the house of Israel, and they shall come together out of the land of the north to the land that I have given as an inheritance to your fathers?? (Jeremiah 3:17-18)

The Jewish people and their land will be saved, and Jerusalem will live safely. (Jeremiah 33)

Joel ? another Jewish prophet, foretells that God will make Jerusalem a place of safety and deliverance (Joel 2). And through him God says that, ?at that time, when I bring back the captives of Judah and Jerusalem? He will also gather together the nations and enter into judgment against them for the way they have treated His people and the land which He gave to them. It is at Jerusalem that this judgment will take place. (Joel 3)

Through Zechariah God describes that He is ?zealous for Jerusalem with great zeal.?
Therefore, He continues, ?I am returning to Jerusalem with mercy; My house shall be built in it. ? The LORD will again comfort Zion, and will again choose Jerusalem.??? (Zechariah 1)

Again, this is ?the LORD of hosts,? the God of Israel. It is not Allah, the god of the Muslim.

?Sing and rejoice, O daughter of Zion! For behold, I am coming and I will dwell in your midst,? says the LORD. ?Many nations shall be joined to the LORD in that day, and they shall become My people. And I will dwell in your midst. Then you will know that the LORD of hosts has sent Me to you. And the LORD will take possession of Judah as His inheritance in the Holy Land, and will again choose Jerusalem. Be silent, all flesh, before the LORD, for He is aroused from His holy habitation!? (Zechariah 2)

And in Zechariah 8:

?Thus says the LORD: ?I will return to Zion, and dwell in the midst of Jerusalem. Jerusalem shall be called the City of Truth, the Mountain of the LORD of hosts, the Holy Mountain.?
?Thus says the LORD of hosts: ?Old men and old women shall again sit in the streets of Jerusalem, each one with his staff in his hand because of great age. The streets of the city shall be full of boys and girls playing in its streets.? ?

?Thus says the LORD of hosts: ?Behold, I will save My people from the land of the east and from the land of the west; I will bring them back, and they shall dwell in the midst of Jerusalem. They shall be My people and I will be their God, in truth and righteousness.?

?For thus says the LORD of hosts: ?Just as I determined to punish you when your fathers provoked Me to wrath,? says the LORD of hosts, and I would not relent, so again in these days I am determined to do good to Jerusalem and to the house of Judah. Do not fear. Yes, many peoples and strong nations shall come to seek the LORD of hosts in Jerusalem, and to pray before the LORD.?
?Thus says the LORD of hosts: ?In those days ten men from every language of the nations shall grasp the sleeve of a Jewish man, saying, ?Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.???

Which nation was God determined to punish when their fathers provoked Him to wrath? Israel.

Which nation did God promise to return to the Land of Israel from all the lands to which He scattered them? Israel.

Which nation does He restore to Jerusalem, before judging the rest of the nations concerning their treatment of this nation and its land? Israel.

I could carry on and on. SO FULL is the Bible of references to Jerusalem, to its rightful people and to their God.

Sa?eb Erakat may find this distasteful, but as a Muslim, and as a spokesman for millions of Muslims who hate Israel and wish to appropriate Jerusalem for themselves, he worships the wrong god, one who has no power to take Jerusalem from the Jews.

Hey, his god doesn?t even care about Jerusalem! Allah?s total lack of reference to this city in their ?holy? book makes this clear.

Jerusalem belongs to Israel ? exclusively and for always.

Now, if only its leaders would reference the Bible when it comes to the other critical issues they have to deal with ? like the right to the Land of Israel ? all of it.
 

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BINGO! Someone finally got it. And I don't blame him for trying to get revenge against someone who tried to kill his father. But boy did he pull the wool over everyone's eyes.

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Yeah, but who is supposed to have the best information in the world. The president of the US. And the presentation we gave to world was that we had "proof" that Saddam had WMD. Not that we thought he had them. And Prick Cheney lied multiple times on meetings between Al Queda and Iraqi agents etc etc. The democrats went along for the ride but you are the one who needs to realize that Bush/Cheney lied about the reason they went to war and you bought it hook line and sinker. Meanwhile, Iran is a much bigger threat than Saddam ever would have been. So keep showing videos of Joe Bozo Biden and Obama all you want. Your guy had a horrible presidency.
 

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I don't see your point. Biden and Obama were against it and frankly so was I. It still wasn't worth it. Then you see Obama today speaking about the war. I don't get the point here. Please help some of us out here.
 

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September 3, 2010, 1:03 pm
Punk?d, Iraqi-Style, at a Checkpoint
By YASIR GHAZI

Picture from Al-Baghdadia Web site

BAGHDAD ? An Iraqi reality television program broadcast during Ramadan has been planting fake bombs in celebrities? cars, having an Iraqi army checkpoint find them and terrifying the celebrities into thinking that they are headed for maximum security prison.

The show ?Put Him in [Camp] Bucca? has drawn numerous protests but has stayed on air throughout the fasting month, broadcasting its ?stings? on well-known Iraqi personalities.

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?Put Him in Bucca?All of them were ensnared by being invited to the headquarters of the private television station Al Baghdadia to be interviewed, but en route to the station a fake bomb would be planted in their car while they were being searched by Iraqi soldiers, who were in on the deception.

The unwitting celebrities are then secretly filmed, Candid-Camera-style, as they reacted with shock, disbelief and anger as fake checkpoint guards shout abuse at them: ?Why do you want to blow us up?? ?You are a terrorist.? ?How much did they pay you to do it? You will be executed.?

The celebrities protest that they know nothing about the supposed bomb, that they are innocent and honorable Iraqi citizens, only to be told, ?We have caught you red-handed, with the bomb in your car.?

How much of it is staged with the knowledge of the actors is unclear from the footage, which has been broadcast daily this month, with excerpts, reactions and comments on the channel?s Web site.

One televised exchange ran:

Soldier : ?Which group you are working for??

Television Host: ?Al Qaeda for sure.?

Guest: ?I am an actor. What are you saying? Is this a game or what??

Soldier: ?This a military checkpoint. What do you think we are playing here? You have got a bomb in your car.?

Television Host: ?Why are you doing this? Why are you putting me in such trouble??

Guest: ?I am a family man. I have two kids. How could I do this to my family? I am telling you the truth, it?s not me who planted the bomb.?


Picture from Al-Baghdadia Web site

Nearly every Iraqi newspaper carried complaints about the idea of the show, with many well-known figures asking for it to be canceled. Some said it was simply too close to Iraq?s daily reality.

The name of the show refers to Camp Bucca, the large American-built high-security prison near the Kuwaiti border in southern Iraq that held thousands of Iraqi detainees and was closed in September 2009.

Kifah al-Majeed, an official with the Baghdad Operations Command, which runs the Iraqi security forces in the capital, said: ?Al-Baghdadia did it in an official way. They sent us a document asking us for permission to do this television show. We agreed, so al-Baghdadia did nothing wrong.?

The producers of the show said that the show was entertainment, that it made people laugh and that no one had gotten hurt. The celebrities, they said, agreed for the episodes to be broadcast, and many were interviewed in the studio afterward.

Ali al-Khalidi, the show?s host, who appears on screen in many of the setups, said: ?The show will continue until the end of Ramadan. Yes, there have been a lot of things said about it in the newspapers and on radio and television, but it will go on.?

Of the dozens of comments left on the Web site by viewers, most were negative. A sample taken on Friday included:

?Everyone knows that Iraq is living under unnatural circumstances on all sides, so why do you make a program that is based on fear, provocation and mocking, especially to Iraqis.?

?To al-Baghdadia channel, I hope that your channel does not dance on the wounds of the Iraqi people?.

?I am sure that showing such scary and frustrating programs is merely to bring a smile to the lips of the viewers. There are not many ways to bring such smiles other than what we have watched in this program.?

?The program is very nice, and the nicest thing is that the soldiers are acting in a very good and convincing way. It is obvious that the artist feels that he is in big trouble without a solution, so he would do anything to convince the soldiers that he is innocent.?

?When you want to bring a smile to someone?s lips, do not do that at the expense of other people. I want to ask, if one of the victims was sick with diabetes or blood pressure and had a heart attack, what would your reaction be then if a disaster took place? Would an apology be enough then??
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I thought this was pretty funny.:facepalm:
 

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