New Low: HBO ?Real Time? Guests Discuss Having Violent Hate Sex With Michele Bachmann

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New Low: HBO ?Real Time? Guests Discuss Having Violent Hate Sex With Michele Bachmann and Rick Santorum

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Michele Bachmann officially leaves her church


Republican presidential candidate Michele Bachmann has long been a darling of conservative evangelicals, but shortly before announcing her White House bid, she officially quit a church she?d belonged to for years.

Bachmann, a Minnesota congresswoman, and her husband, Marcus, withdrew their membership from Salem Lutheran Church in Stillwater, Minnesota, last month, according to church officials.

The Bachmanns had been members of the church for more than 10 years, according to Joel Hochmuth, director of communications for the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod, the broader denominational body of which Bachmann?s former church is a member.

The church council granted the Bachmanns? request to be released from their membership on June 21, Hochmuth said.

The Bachmanns approached their pastor and verbally made the request ?a few weeks before the church council granted the request,? Hochmuth said. He added, ?they had not been attending that congregation in over two years. They were still on the books as members, but then the church council acted on their request and released them from membership.?

Bachmann had listed her membership in the church on her campaign site for congress in 2006. She lists no church affiliation on her campaign website or her official congressional website.

Hochmuth said that a change in membership is not out of the ordinary. ?You have people who are on the books as members, but they may have gone on to another church; they may not be attending a church anywhere. There?s all sorts of circumstances.?

A similar request for membership is to transfer membership from one church to another within the denomination. But that does not appear to be the case with the Bachmanns, according to Hochmuth, who said that to his knowledge, the couple was no longer attending a church within the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod.

Pastor Marcus Birkholz has been at the helm of Salem Lutheran Church for nearly three decades. When asked about the Bachmanns leaving the church, he said, ?I?ve been asked to make no comments regarding them and their family.?

Bachmann was asked about her status with the church on Thursday at Reagan National Airport as she headed to catch a flight. When asked about her pastor, she asked, ?Which one?? An aide quickly hustled her away, noting that they were late for a flight.

The Bachmann campaign declined to immediately respond to a request for further comment Friday.

Becky Rogness, a spokesperson in Bachmann?s congressional office, said the Congresswoman now attends a nondenominational church in the Stillwater area but did not know the name of the church or how long she had been attending.

Hochmuth said that, ?My understanding of the situation was the timing of the request for release was far more coincidental than strategic.?

The Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod has come under criticism from some Catholics for its views on the papacy, an institution that the denomination calls the Antichrist.

"We identify the Antichrist as the Papacy," the denomination's website says. "This is an historical judgment based on Scripture."

The Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights issued a statement Thursday about Bachmann's denomination, saying it's "regrettable that there are still strains of anti-Catholicism in some Protestant circles."

"But we find no evidence of any bigotry on the part of Rep. Michele Bachmann," the statement continued. "Indeed, she has condemned anti-Catholicism. Just as President Barack Obama is not responsible for the views of Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Rep. Bachmann must be judged on the basis of her own record."

The debate over the legitimacy of the papacy goes back to the Protestant Reformation. The Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod's namesake is Martin Luther, who led the 16th century Reformation and who opposed the papacy.

?The issue of the papacy as the Antichrist does go back to Luther - he did use that terminology,? said Professor George C. Heider, theology chair at Valparaiso University, a Lutheran school in Indiana.

?Luther?s point was, that in his view, the pope was so obstructing the gospel of God?s free love in Jesus, even though he wore all the trappings of a leader in the church," Heider said. "He was functioning as the New Testament describes it as the Antichrist.?

Still, Heider notes that Roman Catholics and Lutherans have close ties today. They recognize each other's baptisms, a point of contention in relations between the Catholic Church and other Protestant denominations.

Salem Lutheran Church still maintains some ties with the Bachmann family. It lists a Christian counseling center operated by Bachmann?s husband on its website under special member services for confidential counseling.

Hochmuth said there are no formal ties between the counseling center and the denomination but added that it is not uncommon for churches to link off to members? websites as in this case.

Bachmann and Associates has faced accusations that it uses a controversial therapy that encourages gay and lesbian patients to change their sexual orientation.:SIB

In an interview with the Minnesota Star Tribune published Friday, Marcus Bachmann did not deny that he or other counselors at his clinic used the technique but said they did so only at the request of a patient.

"Is it a remedy form that I typically would use?? he said. "It is at the client's discretion."

Salem Lutheran Church has about 800 members and holds three services each weekend. The Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod is often referred to as theologically conservative. The denomination opposes same-sex marriage and abortion, both positions Bachmann has long endorsed politically.

The denomination has approximately 390,000 members in 48 states and 1,300 congregations in the United States and Canada.

Presidential candidates? affiliation with churches and pastors played a dramatic role in the 2008 campaign for president.

Then-candidate Barack Obama resigned from his Chicago church in May 2008 after videos surfaced of his longtime pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, delivering fiery sermons that criticized certain U.S. policies.

In the speeches, Wright suggested that the U.S. government may be responsible for the spread of AIDS in the black community and equated some American wartime activities to terrorism.

Wright officiated the Obama?s wedding and baptized his children, and the Obamas were members at Wright?s church for years. After a sustained attention on Wright, Obama distanced himself from his former pastor.

During the same election cycle, Republican presidential nominee John McCain rejected endorsements from two prominent pastors, John Hagee and Rod Parsley, for controversial statements from the pastors? pasts.
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Where is Doggie Dogshit when we need him most.

Bachman is quitting because her pastor said that white ppl were devils. :scared

More than 10 years and resigns from her church ?

wtf

homo ppl can be changed with prayer.

I know DTBlackgumbe, heathen that he is, cannot agree or vote for anyone who follows that kind of a doctrine

:142smilie
 

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Membership to a church? I've never heard of such a thing. What if the council had denied her request? Could she be held against her will? Would her wages be garnished to pay her dues? kooky stuff.
 

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Could she be held against her will? Would her wages be garnished to pay her dues? kooky stuff.

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If she would sign up for the remedial program she could get counseling to remain with the church.

It costs about 5 grand and the goverment would pay half .

Michelle could see the light, pay her dues, and follow her pastor religiously .

:shrug: :SIB
 

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I watched the show last night (Maher) and have to admit, was shocked at the whole having nasty sex with Bachmann comments.

I realize that Maher has no social value, and is just a political entertainer, not any different than Rush Limbaugh in that vein - but even so, this type of stuff is way out of line.

Can you imagine the liberal left going crazy if someone suggested BFing Michelle Obama? (not that I would recommend that, as she is not what I'd call attractive in any way)....

I know it is considered different, as Bachmann is pretty good looking for someone of her age (and Obama is butt ugly), but this shouldn't be allowed. I'm sure the White House would be calling someone out if they said it about the first Lady.

What's right is right, but this was so wrong. Nothing wrong with political humor, but this was way too far. Not surprising with POS Maher, but hopefully someone in the media (if they had balls that is) would call him out on this.

JMHO.
 

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I know it is considered different, as Bachmann is pretty good looking for someone of her age (and Obama is butt ugly), but this shouldn't be allowed. I'm sure the White House would be calling someone out if they said it about the first Lady.

You didn't even know a think about Bachmann until a few days ago so maybe you should keep your mouth shut.

As for looks, yeah black is pretty nasty isn't it? :facepalm:
 

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You didn't even know a think about Bachmann until a few days ago so maybe you should keep your mouth shut.

As for looks, yeah black is pretty nasty isn't it? :facepalm:

How did it turn into a black thing?

Another leap trying to turn into a racial issue.

Bockman V. Mrs O. ?

It's purdy clear to me ....

without dragging color or race into it.

Lemme try this,

Hiliary V Condi Rice ?
 

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I doubt you actually watched, more likely got the Cliff Notes from Faux but if you did it would be a good thing. Maybe you'd wake up.

Actually Duff, I watch this show quite a lot. I feel it is important to see both sides of the spectrum. You should try it sometime.
 

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You didn't even know a think about Bachmann until a few days ago so maybe you should keep your mouth shut.

As for looks, yeah black is pretty nasty isn't it? :facepalm:

Like Lumi said, it's not a race thing. She'd be butt ugly too if she was white. The ugly stick is not racist - it hits all races equally....
 
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