NFC North Week 9 Vikes in Trouble

[bleedingpurple]

Haven't posted a thread in a while, I sucked and not have a good feel. Should have liked Denver more as I argued a good case for them last week and it went as planned.

This week the Vikes are 2.5 point favorites against the Rams and as much as I like the Vikings I see them losing the game. The Vikings are 5 - 2 but those 5 wins come to KC, SD, Chico, and Detroit twice. I'ts not there fault but the Vikings are probably not as good as their record. They still have offensive line issues and an inconsistent QB, "check down Charlie." St. Louis is no offensive Juggernaught and the Vikes can impose their Defense on Foles and Co, but Gurley may make the difference., but the biggest mismatch in this game is Rams front against Minnesota's line, they will be in for 2nd and 3rd and longs most of game. Reminds me of when Detroit's front four came in last year and dominated. The Vikings can win it on coaching, Norv has instituted a run up the gut offense most of the season but has tried to open it up more. IF they spread St Louis out and establish a passing game to set up the run there is a chance but pounding it 25 - 30 times wont work.

Rams 19 - 17

Green Bay is FAVORED again on the road to an undefeated team, last week I enjoyed watching them implode but I have them winning this week. They will play much better even though Cam could have a field day running the ball but I don't trust the Panther's offense and I think Rodgers will have much more time to throw this week. I have a big gut feeling the Pack take it..

24 - 16

 

[Shleprock]

Haven't posted a thread in a while, I sucked and not have a good feel. Should have liked Denver more as I argued a good case for them last week and it went as planned.

This week the Vikes are 2.5 point favorites against the Rams and as much as I like the Vikings I see them losing the game. The Vikings are 5 - 2 but those 5 wins come to KC, SD, Chico, and Detroit twice. I'ts not there fault but the Vikings are probably not as good as their record. They still have offensive line issues and an inconsistent QB, "check down Charlie." St. Louis is no offensive Juggernaught and the Vikes can impose their Defense on Foles and Co, but Gurley may make the difference., but the biggest mismatch in this game is Rams front against Minnesota's line, they will be in for 2nd and 3rd and longs most of game. Reminds me of when Detroit's front four came in last year and dominated. The Vikings can win it on coaching, Norv has instituted a run up the gut offense most of the season but has tried to open it up more. IF they spread St Louis out and establish a passing game to set up the run there is a chance but pounding it 25 - 30 times wont work.

Rams 19 - 17

Green Bay is FAVORED again on the road to an undefeated team, last week I enjoyed watching them implode but I have them winning this week. They will play much better even though Cam could have a field day running the ball but I don't trust the Panther's offense and I think Rodgers will have much more time to throw this week. I have a big gut feeling the Pack take it..

24 - 16

I'm gonna throw another stat at you. Before I do when does this become more than a stat or trend and maybe just maybe aaron Rodgers is turning into Peyton manning. I think it's a given he is better than Matthew stafford. Rodgers is talked about as a future hall of famer so this stat in comparison to stafford is frightening. On the road stafford is 0-18 against teams with a winning record. Rodgers is 0-9. Why does he get a pass on this? Could it be he cares more about his personsl stats? Unlike Favre who got taken to the woodshed Rodgers doesn't take chances and doesn't throw many interceptions. He has great regular season stats but the Peyton manning comparisons are looking more and more evident. I don't want to talk you out of a play but 0-9 on the road against teams with a winning record is a pretty strong stat. I know eventually he has to win on the road but it's something I believe is more than a stat or trend and goes deeper.

 

[poolplayer8888]

I'm gonna throw another stat at you. Before I do when does this become more than a stat or trend and maybe just maybe aaron Rodgers is turning into Peyton manning. I think it's a given he is better than Matthew stafford. Rodgers is talked about as a future hall of famer so this stat in comparison to stafford is frightening. On the road stafford is 0-18 against teams with a winning record. Rodgers is 0-9. Why does he get a pass on this? Could it be he cares more about his personsl stats? Unlike Favre who got taken to the woodshed Rodgers doesn't take chances and doesn't throw many interceptions. He has great regular season stats but the Peyton manning comparisons are looking more and more evident. I don't want to talk you out of a play but 0-9 on the road against teams with a winning record is a pretty strong stat. I know eventually he has to win on the road but it's something I believe is more than a stat or trend and goes deeper.

lmao..Playoffs 6 years in a row with a SB title....Bring all the stats you want to......You only wish your team had them numbers but they do not. You make it sound like it's all Rodgers....what about other 50 players on the teams..he doesn't play D.

 

[bleedingpurple]

lmao..Playoffs 6 years in a row with a SB title....Bring all the stats you want to......You only wish your team had them numbers but they do not. You make it sound like it's all Rodgers....what about other 50 players on the teams..he doesn't play D.

He's a packer fan

 

[bleedingpurple]

lmao..Playoffs 6 years in a row with a SB title....Bring all the stats you want to......You only wish your team had them numbers but they do not. You make it sound like it's all Rodgers....what about other 50 players on the teams..he doesn't play D.

Do you think Denvers defense is light years ahead of Green Bay? Or do you think it's a hateful response lol?

 

[Shleprock]

lmao..Playoffs 6 years in a row with a SB title....Bring all the stats you want to......You only wish your team had them numbers but they do not. You make it sound like it's all Rodgers....what about other 50 players on the teams..he doesn't play D.

Laugh all you want I'm a packer fan at what point do you stay in denial. There has to be a concern is it a stat you want to sweep under the rug? I don't know but if Rodgers was throwing interceptions I'm sure there would be more discussion on 0-9 against teams with a winning record on the road.it would be a shame to have a future hall of famer end up with great regular season stats and 1 trip to the Super bowl.

 

[bleedingpurple]

I'm gonna throw another stat at you. Before I do when does this become more than a stat or trend and maybe just maybe aaron Rodgers is turning into Peyton manning. I think it's a given he is better than Matthew stafford. Rodgers is talked about as a future hall of famer so this stat in comparison to stafford is frightening. On the road stafford is 0-18 against teams with a winning record. Rodgers is 0-9. Why does he get a pass on this? Could it be he cares more about his personsl stats? Unlike Favre who got taken to the woodshed Rodgers doesn't take chances and doesn't throw many interceptions. He has great regular season stats but the Peyton manning comparisons are looking more and more evident. I don't want to talk you out of a play but 0-9 on the road against teams with a winning record is a pretty strong stat. I know eventually he has to win on the road but it's something I believe is more than a stat or trend and goes deeper.

Have more time to answer, I won't be playing Green Bay, rooting for them to lose and that's more fun on Sunday. Nice to see a Packer fan be honest (my two best friends are honest and have same concerns as you) anyway. Rodgers is a great QB but people want him to be mentioned as some of the greatest ever and greatest Packer ever, what a bunch of crap. You are right he doesn't win the big game on the road and it's not like he's losing shootouts, he looks bad. Granted he did win 3 road playoff games before winning the SuperBowl.. I have argued that those were the weakest NFC playoff teams since Minny played the Giants in 41 - donut. Those teams were soft, Philly and Vick, Atlanta was a paper lion with a Swiss cheese D, and the Bears had Cutler starting for Christ sake and the back up came in. Rodgers won MVP of that Super Bowl but the defense was the most valuable asset that day with a Pick 6 and big fumble late third quarter. Now let's get to stats, this guy has pummeled a weak NFC North for several years, let's face it besides a year here and there they all have sucked, with very bad defenses. This guy cares about his stats more than any QB I know, he throws TDs up 21 in the 4 th quarter yet won't throw it down 2 TDs. I really think he is concerned with having an INT on his stat line, he won't let his receivers make a play in fear of the Pick, Favre would have at least gone down swinging Sunday night. Top it off the guy is an asshole, he's had players question is leadership abilities and when he does throw an INT or errant pass he's bitching at his receivers. Good job throwing your team under the bus after throwing 2 picks at home... Of coarse he tells the press that they need to run better routes. Yeah he's a great QB but he's starting to become over rated. This will be viewed as hate but those who accuse me of being hateful never say boo when I get it right to a tea or even pick the Packers. They just wait til I post something that is objective yet negative, many Packer fans lack objectivity

 

[BEACHBOY]

St. Louis on the road 1-2
they lost to WAS 10-24
they lost to GB 10-24
they won ARZ 24-22

Minnesota at home 3-0
they won DET 26-16
they won SD 31-14
they won KC 16-10

So I believe MIN has a good chance of winng

 

[bleedingpurple]

St. Louis on the road 1-2 they lost to WAS 10-24 they lost to GB 10-24 they won ARZ 24-22 Minnesota at home 3-0 they won DET 26-16 they won SD 31-14 they won KC 16-10 So I believe MIN has a good chance of winng

Maybe I'm just too pessimistic about my team. I hope you are right. If they win it will be on coaching

 

[bleedingpurple]

Vikes had a ton of players out of practice on wed with various injuries.

 

[johnnyonthespot]

On the road stafford is 0-18 against teams with a winning record. Rodgers is 0-9. Why does he get a pass on this? Could it be he cares more about his personsl stats? Unlike Favre who got taken to the woodshed Rodgers doesn't take chances and doesn't throw many interceptions. He has great regular season stats but the Peyton manning comparisons are looking more and more evident. I don't want to talk you out of a play but 0-9 on the road against teams with a winning record is a pretty strong stat. I know eventually he has to win on the road but it's something I believe is more than a stat or trend and goes deeper.

I wish this stat was true, but it's not. I was at the game in Chicago on 12/29/13 where (after waste-of-space Chris Conte fell down in the end zone) Rodgers threw the game-winning TD to Cobb with 38 seconds to go to send the Packers to the playoffs and my Bears into the offseason. The Bears were 8-7 going into the game; 8-8 afterwards. Is this stat excluding cases where a team was over .500 going into the game but only at .500 afterwards? If so, that's a pretty biased stat. Rodgers essentially gets no credit for winning those games, and gets penalized for losing.

 

[johnnyonthespot]

Ok, I did some more digging into this stat and I have to say that it's almost completely worthless from a capping perspective.

For one, it is against opponents with a winning record FOR THE SEASON - not at the time that the teams played each other. Yes, at this point it's pretty safe to assume that Carolina will end up with a winning record for the season, but it's still very misleading.

Worse though - this stat starts arbitrarily on Dec 30, 2012. For the 2012 season as a whole, he was 2-4. Wanna know what he was in 2011? 3-0 - all in the playoffs en route to winning the Super Bowl.

For his career, he's 10-15. Certainly not stellar but not surprising - when you play good teams at their place it's very hard to win. Rodgers and the Packers are no exception. Hardly a revelation.

He's certainly on a bad streak of late. But just as it would have been foolish to blindly back him prior to this 9-game losing streak (when he was 10-6 for his career) it's equally foolish to blindly go against him now.

 

[Shleprock]

I wish this stat was true, but it's not. I was at the game in Chicago on 12/29/13 where (after waste-of-space Chris Conte fell down in the end zone) Rodgers threw the game-winning TD to Cobb with 38 seconds to go to send the Packers to the playoffs and my Bears into the offseason. The Bears were 8-7 going into the game; 8-8 afterwards. Is this stat excluding cases where a team was over .500 going into the game but only at .500 afterwards? If so, that's a pretty biased stat. Rodgers essentially gets no credit for winning those games, and gets penalized for losing.

8-8 is not a winning record

 

[johnnyonthespot]

8-8 is not a winning record

You presented the stat as Rodgers record against teams with a winning record. 8-7 is a winning record, and that was the Bears record at kickoff. Otherwise, this stat cannot be applied until a team has 9 wins. Starting this week Carolina could lose 8 of the next 9 and finish 8-8 and then it wouldn't be applicable. Is that going to happen? Highly doubtful, but not in possible.

Anyway, did you read my next post? I acknowledged this. That's why it's a terrible stat. So if he loses that game, the Bears are 9-7 and now Rodgers is 0-10. But instead he wins it, so it doesn't count?

You're also ignoring the fact that the 0-18 Stafford stat is from his entire career while you are only using the last 9 results from Rodgers that paint him in the worst light possible.

 

[Shleprock]

You presented the stat as Rodgers record against teams with a winning record. 8-7 is a winning record, and that was the Bears record at kickoff. Otherwise, this stat cannot be applied until a team has 9 wins. Starting this week Carolina could lose 8 of the next 9 and finish 8-8 and then it wouldn't be applicable. Is that going to happen? Highly doubtful, but not in possible.

Anyway, did you read my next post? I acknowledged this. That's why it's a terrible stat. So if he loses that game, the Bears are 9-7 and now Rodgers is 0-10. But instead he wins it, so it doesn't count?

You're also ignoring the fact that the 0-18 Stafford stat is from his entire career while you are only using the last 9 results from Rodgers that paint him in the worst light possible.

. He's a likely hall of famer and getting close to stafford. At some point makes you wonder.

 

[johnnyonthespot]

. He's a likely hall of famer and getting close to stafford. At some point makes you wonder.

But he's nowhere close to Stafford - he's 10-15 in his career against winning teams vs 0-18 for Stafford. Those are not remotely comparable.

 

[gardenweasel]

in regard to this year,i was one of those outsiders who thought Rodgers would be fine without nelson.......I really thought that cobb,adams,jones et al would be more than enough to pick up the slack.......but now I`m thinking that the guys that said Rodgers was gonna struggle with nelson down were right....

some qb`s have such a rapport with a receiver,it just can`t be minimized,much less discounted....I think it probably goes for big ben with brown.....obviously andy Dalton with aj green....we`re gonna see flacco fall apart without steve smith next week....

I can`t speak for the record that schleprock posted vs winning teams.... and I admit to being a rodgers admirer(I personally take him over any other qb).......but I don`t think it`s even remotely in doubt that jordy nelson`s absence is having a MAJOR impact on Rodgers... nelson and Rodgers have such a connection that it actually makes Rodgers dependent on what nelson does out there....

 

[poolplayer8888]

Do you think Denvers defense is light years ahead of Green Bay? Or do you think it's a hateful response lol?

Denver has a real good defense yes BUT i also watch mighty Cleveland take that denver D to overtime...Cleveland was a few yards away from a game winning FG then got sacked...Denver was at home and nobody would have beat them that night but on neutral field they are very beatable....Hell KC had them by the balls and fucked up at the end....GB had a bad game and im ok with that..not like 16-0 was happening. im also ok with 6 straight playoffs and 1 SB title....sorry not gonna win it every year...or ANY year like the purple turds u love. Gb wins the division AGAIN this year. Marino was top 5 all time IMO and never won any...Rodgers has one and hoping for more..if not thats ok..every year they have a solid team and fun to watch...unlike purple turds who suck most years

 

[poolplayer8888]

I'm gonna throw another stat at you. Before I do when does this become more than a stat or trend and maybe just maybe aaron Rodgers is turning into Peyton manning. I think it's a given he is better than Matthew stafford. Rodgers is talked about as a future hall of famer so this stat in comparison to stafford is frightening. On the road stafford is 0-18 against teams with a winning record. Rodgers is 0-9. Why does he get a pass on this? Could it be he cares more about his personsl stats? Unlike Favre who got taken to the woodshed Rodgers doesn't take chances and doesn't throw many interceptions. He has great regular season stats but the Peyton manning comparisons are looking more and more evident. I don't want to talk you out of a play but 0-9 on the road against teams with a winning record is a pretty strong stat. I know eventually he has to win on the road but it's something I believe is more than a stat or trend and goes deeper.

BTW didnt Rodgers win 3 straight games on the road to SB few years ago against winning teams? oh yeah i believe so. Beat Chicago on road to win division when they were above .500....find some new stats please.

 

[PocketAces]

Denver has a real good defense yes BUT i also watch mighty Cleveland take that denver D to overtime...Cleveland was a few yards away from a game winning FG then got sacked...Denver was at home and nobody would have beat them that night but on neutral field they are very beatable....Hell KC had them by the balls and fucked up at the end....GB had a bad game and im ok with that..not like 16-0 was happening. im also ok with 6 straight playoffs and 1 SB title....sorry not gonna win it every year...or ANY year like the purple turds u love. Gb wins the division AGAIN this year. Marino was top 5 all time IMO and never won any...Rodgers has one and hoping for more..if not thats ok..every year they have a solid team and fun to watch...unlike purple turds who suck most years

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