Nice House Papa Wright

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As I stated last week to you guys, this IS ALL BUSINESS FOR THIS PASTOR AND HIS CHURCH.

Were do I sign up for this gig?

:director: I HATE WHITEY!!

Is that good enough?

Obama?s Former Pastor Getting $1.6M Home in Retirement

By Jeff Goldblatt

This was supposed to be the week that the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. returned to the pulpit to preach for the first time since his anti-American sermons generated nationwide outrage and drew condemnation from his longtime parishioner, Barack Obama.

But, citing security concerns, Wright canceled his speaking engagements in Florida and Texas. A spokeswoman at his former church in Chicago said his schedule is pending.

A two-week FOX News investigation, however, has uncovered where Wright will be spending a good deal of his time in retirement, and it is a far cry from the impoverished Chicago streets where the preacher led his ministry for 36 years.

FOX News has uncovered documents that indicate Wright is about to move to a 10,340-square-foot, four-bedroom home in suburban Chicago, currently under construction in a gated community.

While it is not uncommon for an accomplished clergyman to live in luxury, Wright?s retirement residence is raising some questions.

?Some people think deals like this are hypocritical. Jeremiah Wright himself criticizes people from the pulpit for middle classism, for too much materialism,? said Andrew Walsh, Associate Director of the Leonard E. Greenberg Center for the Study of Religion in Public Life with Trinity College in Hartford, Conn.

?So he?s entitled to be tweaked here. So the question really is, how unusual is this? Somewhat unusual,? he said.

According to documents obtained from the Cook County Register of Deeds, Wright purchased two empty lots in Tinley Park, Ill., from Chicago restaurant chain owner Kenny Lewis for $345,000 in 2004.

Documents show Wright sold the property to his church, Trinity United, in December 2006, with the proceeds going to a living trust shared with his wife, Ramah.

The sale price for the land was just under $308,000, about $40,000 less than Wright?s original purchase two years earlier.

Public records of the sale show Trinity initially obtained a $10 million bank loan to purchase the property and build a new house on the land.

Here's the good part...

But further investigation with tax and real estate attorneys showed that the church had actually secured a $1.6 million mortgage for the home purchase, and attached a $10 million line of credit, for reasons unspecified in the paperwork.

Were's the millions?

There is apparently nothing wrong with that, according to non-profit tax expert Jack Siegel of Charity Governance Consulting, who examined public documents FOX News obtained from the Cook County Register of Deeds and the Village of Tinley Park.

?At least looking at it from a public document standpoint, there?s clearly not a problem that jumps out or some sort of wrongdoing,? Siegel said.

Siegel characterizes the transaction as unusual, however, because of the way Wright sold the property to Trinity and the way the deal was financed, with the attached $10 million line of credit.

Because churches are classified as private businesses, Trinity isn?t required to reveal its intended use for the line of credit. Nor, because it?s a non-profit entity, is it required to provide that information to the IRS. BEAUTY!

A spokesman for ShoreBank, the Chicago-based financial institution that secured mortgages for the loans, said the deals were aboveboard.

Wright did not respond to repeated calls for comment, and Trinity United refused to discuss the specifics of the home it is building for him and the way the deal was financed.

The church referred FOX News to its denominational headquarters in Cleveland, which provided a statement of support:

?It is customary and appropriate in many Christian denominations, including the United Church of Christ, for local churches to offer housing provisions for retiring clergy, especially in cases where pastors have served long-term pastorates. We support efforts by our 5,700 local churches to ensure that retiring pastors and spouses have continuing housing, adequate pension and health care, as an expression of our continuing appreciation for their years of service. Each local UCC congregation is free to honor a retiring pastor in ways it feels most appropriate to address the needs of that clergyperson?s circumstances,? wrote the Rev. J. Bennett Guess, spokesman for UCC?s national office.

?This is about how these kinds of churches work,? notes Walsh. ?These pastors who made big successful churches are real valuable commodities. Is it morally wrong? Well, Protestants don?t have the idea that their religious leaders should live modestly or aesthetically. We?re not talking Buddhist monks or Catholic priests here. There?s no tradition that says they have to live poor.?

Tradition at Trinity United centers on a congregation that?s unashamedly black and unapologetically Christian, according to the church?s website. There are also no apologies from the church for the home it?s building for its former senior pastor, who nurtured a religious empire that grew to have more than 8,000 congregants.
 

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I'm only going to exPlain this one time, Oper

I'm only going to exPlain this one time, Oper

FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY, STOP POSTING FACTS --- ALL IT DOES IS SHOWCASE THE HYPOCRACY OF THE AMERICA-HATERS (AND WHITEY, TOO!!! I SUPPOSE THAT'S ME, THO I'M NOT SURE WHAT I DID IN GEORGIA IN 1953, SINCE MY MOM WAS STILL 12 AND IN SCOTLAND AT THE TIME, BUT WHATEVER), AND CAUSES EVEN MORE PEOPLE TO WONDER WHY smurphy AND JABBER AND CHAD AND KOSAR TO SUPPORT A MUSLIM, SO JUST STOP. STOP I SAY; STOP!!!!!!

As I stated last week to you guys, this IS ALL BUSINESS FOR THIS PASTOR AND HIS CHURCH.

Were do I sign up for this gig?

:director: I HATE WHITEY!!

Is that good enough?

Obama?s Former Pastor Getting $1.6M Home in Retirement

By Jeff Goldblatt

This was supposed to be the week that the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. returned to the pulpit to preach for the first time since his anti-American sermons generated nationwide outrage and drew condemnation from his longtime parishioner, Barack Obama.

But, citing security concerns, Wright canceled his speaking engagements in Florida and Texas. A spokeswoman at his former church in Chicago said his schedule is pending.

A two-week FOX News investigation, however, has uncovered where Wright will be spending a good deal of his time in retirement, and it is a far cry from the impoverished Chicago streets where the preacher led his ministry for 36 years.

FOX News has uncovered documents that indicate Wright is about to move to a 10,340-square-foot, four-bedroom home in suburban Chicago, currently under construction in a gated community.

While it is not uncommon for an accomplished clergyman to live in luxury, Wright?s retirement residence is raising some questions.

?Some people think deals like this are hypocritical. Jeremiah Wright himself criticizes people from the pulpit for middle classism, for too much materialism,? said Andrew Walsh, Associate Director of the Leonard E. Greenberg Center for the Study of Religion in Public Life with Trinity College in Hartford, Conn.

?So he?s entitled to be tweaked here. So the question really is, how unusual is this? Somewhat unusual,? he said.

According to documents obtained from the Cook County Register of Deeds, Wright purchased two empty lots in Tinley Park, Ill., from Chicago restaurant chain owner Kenny Lewis for $345,000 in 2004.

Documents show Wright sold the property to his church, Trinity United, in December 2006, with the proceeds going to a living trust shared with his wife, Ramah.

The sale price for the land was just under $308,000, about $40,000 less than Wright?s original purchase two years earlier.

Public records of the sale show Trinity initially obtained a $10 million bank loan to purchase the property and build a new house on the land.

Here's the good part...

But further investigation with tax and real estate attorneys showed that the church had actually secured a $1.6 million mortgage for the home purchase, and attached a $10 million line of credit, for reasons unspecified in the paperwork.

Were's the millions?

There is apparently nothing wrong with that, according to non-profit tax expert Jack Siegel of Charity Governance Consulting, who examined public documents FOX News obtained from the Cook County Register of Deeds and the Village of Tinley Park.

?At least looking at it from a public document standpoint, there?s clearly not a problem that jumps out or some sort of wrongdoing,? Siegel said.

Siegel characterizes the transaction as unusual, however, because of the way Wright sold the property to Trinity and the way the deal was financed, with the attached $10 million line of credit.

Because churches are classified as private businesses, Trinity isn?t required to reveal its intended use for the line of credit. Nor, because it?s a non-profit entity, is it required to provide that information to the IRS. BEAUTY!

A spokesman for ShoreBank, the Chicago-based financial institution that secured mortgages for the loans, said the deals were aboveboard.

Wright did not respond to repeated calls for comment, and Trinity United refused to discuss the specifics of the home it is building for him and the way the deal was financed.

The church referred FOX News to its denominational headquarters in Cleveland, which provided a statement of support:

?It is customary and appropriate in many Christian denominations, including the United Church of Christ, for local churches to offer housing provisions for retiring clergy, especially in cases where pastors have served long-term pastorates. We support efforts by our 5,700 local churches to ensure that retiring pastors and spouses have continuing housing, adequate pension and health care, as an expression of our continuing appreciation for their years of service. Each local UCC congregation is free to honor a retiring pastor in ways it feels most appropriate to address the needs of that clergyperson?s circumstances,? wrote the Rev. J. Bennett Guess, spokesman for UCC?s national office.

?This is about how these kinds of churches work,? notes Walsh. ?These pastors who made big successful churches are real valuable commodities. Is it morally wrong? Well, Protestants don?t have the idea that their religious leaders should live modestly or aesthetically. We?re not talking Buddhist monks or Catholic priests here. There?s no tradition that says they have to live poor.?

Tradition at Trinity United centers on a congregation that?s unashamedly black and unapologetically Christian, according to the church?s website. There are also no apologies from the church for the home it?s building for its former senior pastor, who nurtured a religious empire that grew to have more than 8,000 congregants.

OH AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD AND CRISP PICKLES, DON'T MENTION THE TWENTY-SEVEN THOUSAND, FIVE-HUNDRED DOLLARS HUSSEIN GAVE TO WRIGHT'S CHARITY RECENTLY. DON'T DO IT, I BEG YOU!!!
 
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Hypocrisy? I don't support this, and I think it shows the ongoing hypocrisy of many black "leaders" who simply use their foundations and pulpits for personal gain and riches. Looks like more of the same to me, and pretty reprehensible.

But keep lumping everyone together, bro.
 

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I was merely responding that I don't think I like the behavior and what looks like it's going on here. I think it pretty hypocritical that many religious leaders (this one, too) rail against situations they are very much taking part in themselves. I am looking at this from a church/state/tax/business angle - and it looks like despite what the experts are saying about it - that the pastor took advantage of his situation, and now will retire in some pretty nice digs. Rings hollow with me.

This had nothing to do with McCain, or anything else. I am just dealing with what this situation is - it's not political, to me, really. I'm not defending Wright on this, in any way, although I certainly don't know all the "facts." Is that good enough for you?
 

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What I meant was, Pastor Wright ain't the first to have a big house.

Q: What do you call 10,000 politicians on the bottom of the ocean?
A: A good start.

I'm under no illusions that Dems have a hold on bad behavior. Which is why I ain't a republican, rather a right-winger.

Rush isn't my cup of tea, and when he spouts off random BS, I call him on it.

Bush family governorships/presidencies have been bad, up and down the line. They all have little to no acceptance of their role as public servant. I'm not fond of their policies, nor their backgrounds, Zapata oil, Yale university and Skull and Bones club memberships, most-likely true cocaine stories, Bay of Pigs invasion using yachts such as "Barbara B" and "Texas City", associations with the bin Laden family, esp letting the family escape to Saudi Arbia during the restrictions after 9/11. I ain't a fan of the Bush clan, and I dare you to find a pro-Bush post of mine here.
 

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Wright is not Obama, just like Haggard is not Bush.

I've never seen such a mountain of bullshit made from such a tiny ant hill.

Obama has denounced Wright's racial views. What more do you want from him? He is not Muslim (don't know where you get that).

Every human on this planet has some kind of relationship with someone that they don't agree with on everything. There is absolutley nothing in Obama's actions or words to indicate that he even remotely shares Wright's ridiculous viewpoints on this issue.

This is essentially a non-story only being kept alive by desperate haters of Obama.
 

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Wright is not Obama, just like Haggard is not Bush.

I've never seen such a mountain of bullshit made from such a tiny ant hill.

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that is what they do best smuph lol. Its like if the dems ran around screaming about Pat Robertson saying 9/11 was caused by gay people. it divdes people like the clown who started the thread. By the way rumor has it there is a baby hippo running around. Could be a rumor tho.
 

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Wright is not Obama, just like Haggard is not Bush.

I've never seen such a mountain of bullshit made from such a tiny ant hill.

Obama has denounced Wright's racial views. What more do you want from him? He is not Muslim (don't know where you get that).

Every human on this planet has some kind of relationship with someone that they don't agree with on everything. There is absolutley nothing in Obama's actions or words to indicate that he even remotely shares Wright's ridiculous viewpoints on this issue.

This is essentially a non-story only being kept alive by desperate haters of Obama.

According to your records, Smurphy, when was the last time Hussein gave twenty-seven thousand, five-hundred dollars to Pastor Wright? According to your calculations, was it within the last year?
 

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From what I've seen, it was $22,500 - not 27. And the money was donated to the church - NOT to Wright. I imagine the church does some good things, despite the idiotic things the 'crazy uncle' figurehead had said. Maybe they don't - maybe all they do is make war on the white man - but I doubt that's the case.

I'm not crazy about organized religion to begin with. I understand that legitimate candidates seem to have to be attached to some kind of large Christian church.

Can't see the difference here at all with someone who donates to the 700 Club, whose nutty figurehead says/said absurd things - BUT an organization still does some good in the world.

Seriously, why so caught up in all this? Seems to be something you are desperately overblowing into a grave issue for very biased reasons.:shrug:

Sincerely,
Worthless Piece of Shit
 
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Wright is not Obama, just like Haggard is not Bush.

I've never seen such a mountain of bullshit made from such a tiny ant hill.

Obama has denounced Wright's racial views. What more do you want from him? He is not Muslim (don't know where you get that).

Every human on this planet has some kind of relationship with someone that they don't agree with on everything. There is absolutley nothing in Obama's actions or words to indicate that he even remotely shares Wright's ridiculous viewpoints on this issue.

This is essentially a non-story only being kept alive by desperate haters of Obama.

Hussein Obama gives 20K donation every year and he does not support his views:mj07: you are funny

Uncle Obama will be Uncle Jesse if he wins the Presidency, think about it...
 

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The right has got to be getting pretty desperate if the only weapon they have against Obama is the pastor of his church. Don't ya miss when the right brought up the real issues like flag burning amendments, protection of marriage acts, and prayer in public school when the war was going on, the economy was in the crapper and Bush's administration was getting indicted.

I just love elections about the real issues.

Obama's f'ing pastor. A f'ing men.

Eddie
 

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WTF??

WTF??

The right has got to be getting pretty desperate if the only weapon they have against Obama is the pastor of his church. Don't ya miss when the right brought up the real issues like flag burning amendments, protection of marriage acts, and prayer in public school when the war was going on, the economy was in the crapper and Bush's administration was getting indicted.

I just love elections about the real issues.

Obama's f'ing pastor. A f'ing men.

Eddie

Yeah sad day when the "only" weapon we have is the truth. Sad.
 

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Uncle Obama will be Uncle Jesse if he wins the Presidency, think about it...
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your just stupid.


If Obama is elected , and I am considering voting for him at this point, he will be very careful about who he surrounds himself with.

His legacy will be one of fairness and having advisors that are the opposite of Rumsfield and Cheney.

The brothers will not be playing full court on Saturday mornings in the white house rec area.

He is the only chance we have for real change.

Give him four years. We will judge someone like him after that and make a decision.

Lets face it. He cant fawk things up any worse than Bush did.
 

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Church: Sailor robbed his flock


By CAMERON McWHIRTER
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Published on: 03/27/08

Days before pleading guilty to money laundering earlier this month, former legislator Ron Sailor Jr. secretly took out a $250,000 mortgage on the southwest Atlanta church where he was pastor.

The congregation had no idea what he had done, church leaders say. Now, they say they have no idea where the money is.

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The deacons of Greater New Light Missionary Baptist Church were scrambling Thursday to piece together what happened and just who was the minister they thought they knew.

"It's amazing to all of us," said Jimmie Evans, chairman of the board of deacons. "We can't believe it."

Sailor resigned his legislative post after pleading guilty March 18 in federal court. Gov. Sonny Perdue on Thursday called a May 13 election to fill the seat, which represents sections of DeKalb and Rockdale counties.

A church trustee began checking records Tuesday after The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported that Sailor had accepted at least $80,000 from a lobbyist in a 2007 land transaction, Evans said.

The board soon learned Sailor had secretly changed church bylaws to make himself chief executive officer, Evans said.

They also found Sailor had borrowed $250,000 using the church's buildings and 2.5-acre property as collateral. Fulton County tax assessors value the property at 2540 Campbellton Road at $369,200.

The security deed recording the debt was filed March 12 in Fulton County Superior Court. Church officials are not sure of the exact date the deal was closed before being recorded. The current status of that debt is unclear.

Officials at Georgia Business Capital, the lender, declined to comment.

Brian Lee, an attorney retained Thursday by the deacons, said he was still trying to piece together what Sailor did and why. The deacons have launched an internal investigation as well.

"The deacons are shocked at the existence of this security deed and we are moving forward with our investigation," he said. "We will help the church in any way we can."

Evans, sighing repeatedly during an interview, said everyone in the church thought Sailor was a great pastor prior to the recent revelations. Sailor, who holds a masters in divinity from Howard University, delivered heartfelt sermons and regularly lead Bible studies with church members, Evans said.

Sailor had led the church for about a year.

"He was a good speaker and a good pastor," Evans said. "He was excellent."

Lee said that Sailor, on the Sunday before his guilty plea, preached a sermon titled "Lord, strip it off me," discussing the recent call-girl scandal that led to the resignation of Eliot Spitzer as New York governor.

Sailor gave no sign that Sunday to anyone at the church that anything was amiss, Evans said.

Two days later, in a deal with federal prosecutors that had been in the works for months, Sailor pleaded guilty to laundering money for a person whom he thought was a drug dealer. The person was an undercover agent for the federal government.

Sailor has been cooperating with prosecutors on a wider investigation of public corruption since his arrest in December, federal officials say. In his plea deal, in exchange for prosecutors' recommendation for leniency, Sailor agreed to not "participate in additional criminal conduct."

Patrick Crosby, spokesman for the U.S. Attorney's Office in Atlanta, had no comment when asked if the church deal would affect the plea agreement. Sailor and his attorney, Bruce Maloy, had no comment.

The board of deacons held an emergency meeting March 18 and suspended Sailor for two weeks after a heated discussion.

Some called for Sailor to resign. Evans said Sailor offered to quit in exchange for six months' severance pay. The board refused.

Sailor is still technically pastor. The church board plans to meet Monday to decide whether to fire him.

Leland L. Jones Sr., the previous pastor of Greater New Light, said the 200 or so members of the church "are generally hurt. They are stunned and they are angry."

Jones resigned in July 2006 when he was called up by the Army to serve in Iraq.

Jones, back in Atlanta after being wounded, said he was horrified to learn what has happened at his old church. Jones, now a ministerial aide to the dean at Morehouse College, said he considered Sailor a friend.

"But recent events have me quite confused and hurt that things have turned out the way they have," he said. "I don't know the whole story but what I know is bad enough."

He said Sailor has hurt the reputation of all African-American ministers.

"From a black preacher's perspective, it makes us all look bad," he said.
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It never ends
 

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Not only get ready for (the state which must not be named, but) get ready for T-Zing to post something he thinks, calls it fact, and blasts the next person who responds directly to his thought-fact, and calls them out for being off point - or even better, a S.P.O.S.

Will be gone for the day, shopping for dog food (family may be eating it soon, if we don't swap Administrations...:mj07: ) and really cool baseball spikes and batting gloves for the boy, and then out to a local establishment to watch basketball and ogle divorced women and girls who are 18+ that are served cheap whiskey.

So, I will be doing my part to help the economy of both humans and dogs today, and carrying on the fine tradition of we lecherous gambling drunks who look at "mojo" and big screens. What are you doing to help the economy, T-Zing? Or are you going to hide behind your computer and let it run the economy today, which only helps that known commie-provider, Jack?

Peace, out, comrades.
 

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your just stupid.


If Obama is elected , and I am considering voting for him at this point, he will be very careful about who he surrounds himself with.

His legacy will be one of fairness and having advisors that are the opposite of Rumsfield and Cheney.

The brothers will not be playing full court on Saturday mornings in the white house rec area.

He is the only chance we have for real change.

Give him four years. We will judge someone like him after that and make a decision.

Lets face it. He cant fawk things up any worse than Bush did.

Can you tell me why we need change? I do not want to pay more taxes or get hit by terrorists in our homeland. This country is not ready for white people to be second class citizens, so if you are rready for that then vote for Hussein Obama. All politicians lie and I believe Obama believes exactly what his reverend does. he is a wolf in sheeps clothing
 

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Can you tell me why we need change? I do not want to pay more taxes or get hit by terrorists in our homeland. This country is not ready for white people to be second class citizens, so if you are rready for that then vote for Hussein Obama. All politicians lie and I believe Obama believes exactly what his reverend does. he is a wolf in sheeps clothing
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hedge

the wolf in sheeps clothing is Hillary , and McCain is worse.

We need change that does not go back 20 years
of owing favors and paying back people that help you get elected.

Obama will put the race issue aside. Just like the American people should.

There will be no change for white people. I can almost guarantee you that. Presidents have only so much power anyway. But some of that crazy secret meeting stuff may go by the wayside.

any terrorist action will happen no matter who is in office.

I believe Obama would have a completely differant approach to foreign policy, and it would stop
people from hating America like they do now.
 
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