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A bit surprised UN accomplished anything--let alone unanimous agreement sanctions.

Will be interesting to see what follows and how NK deals with the "multilateral"stick vs the carrot.

--and I know what Iran is saying but wonder what they are thinking?
 

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I was surprised too. Just when we think the UN is useless, it shows some unity and teeth.
 

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Only if Russia and China do inspections at there borders that they say they don't want to. And of course inspection of ships in and out of N Korea. Not only by Russia/China but a few other 3rd world countries. N Korea said it will arm some of there merchant ships. And if any US, Britain and others wish to get shot. They will. This ass is looking for his excuse to try something a long the DMZ. You can feel it. Al because he can't get his one on one talks with us. So it will be a wait and see if it ends up thousands dead. Because of that one fact. Of course would be stupid. On the other hand this outfit in N Korea just can't have nukes. So I guess it's up to us to see it don't happen. So we can see many die or find a better way. The problem with many dieing is many will be ours.
This UN resolution is just about the repeat of others. I don't think it will hold up a year.
 

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MacKay said Canada was "pleased that the UN Security Council has responded to the provocative action of the nuclear test by North Korea on October 9 and approved Resolution 1718, which we strongly support."

Resolution 1718 demands North Korea dismantle its nuclear weapons and abandon all weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missile programs, and provides for a travel ban on officials working on such programs.

It calls for a ban targeting transfers of missiles, tanks, large artillery systems, warships and combat aircraft to North Korea. It also permits inspection of cargo to and from North Korea to prevent any illegal trafficking.
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I just read somewhere that N Korea turns out all the lights in the country after 10 pm to conserve electricity.

The picture someone posted of a dark N Korea at night makes you believe that N Korea has no electricity at all.

Is that US propaganda.
 
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Scott, no electricity & no food in North Korea, I watched a documentary that showed how all the bark is stripped off all the trees, evidently they make some kind of soup out out it. Seriously!
 

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Yes, that's propaganda. I hate to be in the position of defending North Korea, but certain media outlets have been running the same night time satellite pic showing the lights off in DPRK for about the last 3 years (as far as I can remember). Maybe the pic is current, but I never see a date on the pic so it makes me skeptical.

It's also dumb to day there's no food in DPRK. People act like the whole country is starving and that the people are shrinking because of government heglect, but that's largely media propaganda.

In my view DPRK is an oppressive regime because they prevent dissenting political thought from being exposed to the public. That said, the media does a pretty poor job of keeping things fair when it comes to that country.

Here is a link to a first-hand view of DPRK. Granted, this guy is a journo (read: probably a lefty), but it is directly from someone who went to the country:

In N. Korea, serenity is surreal
Pyongyang hosts a fest that defies expectations
By DEREK ELLEY

BEIJING -- There's no bigger conversation-stopper than, "I'm off to North Korea next week."
When you add, "I'm going to the Pyongyang Intl. Film Festival," jaws really hit the ground. But not only does North Korea have a biannual festival, which celebrated its 10th anni this September, it also has a film industry, dating back to 1949, the year after the Democratic People's Republic of Korea was first proclaimed.

Few Western festgoers, especially journalists, ever make the trip, and Variety was probably the first industry paper to be invited to the reclusive event. But PIFF -- which ironically shares the same acronym as South Korea's leading sprocket opera, the Pusan Intl. Film Festival -- is neither that remote nor that inaccessible.

A French distrib, who's made a name with South Korean fare, and a rep from Cannes' Directors Fortnight were among this year's guests; Berlinale topper Dieter Kosslick swung through for two days, on a trip arranged via the Goethe Institut; and a buyer for German channel Premiere was along for his second visit.

Foreign movie stars even make it occasionally. Four years ago, Jet Li winged in to tubthump a movie.

We found a country that's little like what you've been led to believe. Of the 100 or so foreign guests, ranging from diplomats and filmmakers to buyers and Asiaphile movie critics, few came away with negative impressions. .

We were all keenly aware that the country was a single-party state regarded as a pariah by some Western governments. But what we saw of it -- both in the capital and in the countryside -- seemed different from the grim, edge-of-starvation portraits in much of the Western media.

Some of our guides/interpreters -- student volunteers, not professional apparatchiks -- had lived outside the country for a while, and were as curious about the West as we were curious about their country. We traded info about Brangelina's latest child for info about their lifestyles. We discussed the latest laptop models, PC games and digital cameras as they fed us info about day-to-day life and the doings of the late Great Leader (Kim Il-song) and present Dear Leader (his son, Kim Jong-il).

Over coffee and cigarettes in the fest's center, the Yanggakdo Hotel, we met directors and actors keen to talk about their work, and officials at state-owned Korea Film Export & Import Corp. (Korfilm) eager to do business.

We also met North Koreans puzzled over why they're picked on by the West.

The capital, Pyongyang, is an architecturally dazzling, "planned" garden city designed to show the best of the DPRK's brand of socialism.

North Koreans need a permit to live there, so, unlike Seoul, which also was effectively built from scratch after the devastation of the Korean War but has seen massive migration from the countryside during the past 40 years, the population remains relatively stable at around 2 million.

The surprise is that Pyongyang isn't the "Truman Show" it's often painted in the West. It's a fully functioning, if placid, city -- not an empty, cardboard showcase devoid of people walking in the streets. Pyongyangers seem to go about their lives like anyone else, and on weekends they hang out in parks and squares.

True, there were few cars on the streets compared with most of the world's capitals; the subway shuts down at 8 p.m.; and there's little street lighting in the evenings. Due to international embargoes, energy remains the country's biggest problem and gasoline its most precious commodity.

"In many respects, the North Korea experienced by any visiting foreigner is a sanitized version, its political life absolutely invisible and the daily lives of average people, both in favored Pyongyang and the sticks, impossible to penetrate. Essentially, we were like tourists in any country, just skimming the surface."

Like the countryside outside Pyongyang -- far more "real" Korea than the South's manicured and industrialized landscape -- there's a quality to the capital that's a refreshing break from the audiovisual assault of most other cities. No advertising (apart from a couple billboards for cars), no graffiti, no Starbucks or branded stores, and streets cleaner than Singapore or Toronto.

Beyond the official tours (the eerily peaceful DMZ, Kim Il-song's spectacular Memorial Palace, etc.), we could go pretty much where we wanted, and change the official program at will. There was no visible presence of military or police on the streets. When we didn't need the guides, we'd say so, and they'd go off to the bowling alley or pool tables in the hotel basement.

When we said we wanted to go into town for dinner, our guides just came along. We chose the restaurant from our guidebooks, paid for the meal (in Euros, Chinese yuan or U.S. dollars), and all drank and dined together. In one, the Minjuk, groups of South Koreans got merrily drunk and sang wistful songs about reunification along with the girl-band onstage.

For bizzers in the group, the strangest experience was visiting Korea Film Studio on the northeast outskirts of town. On the seven backlots of standing sets (Chosun-era Korea, poor rural class, rich rural class, 1930s Chinese and Japanese streets, '30s and '50s Seoul streets), nothing was shooting. Only two features have been released this year, though production is expected to rise to five to seven features next year, following a technical upgrade and word from Kim Jong-il, a movie buff, that the pic industry must improve.

Like the untapped tourist potential of the country as a whole, PIFF is a sleeping curio. I talked marketing ideas with a Korfilm guy -- PIFF T-shirts, bags, baseball caps and posters -- and sat in on a good-humored pic-buying negotiation in the Yanggakdo's bar. Lack of knowledge about the realities of market prices was the main stumbling block, not the will to do business. As elsewhere in Asia, personal trust and face-to-face meetings are the key to success.

Before boarding the Air Koryo flight from Beijing to Pyongyang, mainland Chinese friends had joked, "Well, you'll be dying for a good meal when you get back." South Korean pals had said, "Mind you're not kidnapped, ha-ha." Western acquaintances gasped, "Wow," while Americans ... well, U.S. passport holders, like U.S. movies, aren't allowed into North Korea, so that was that.

I'd been to Albania in the '70s, Libya in the '80s and Burma in the '90s, but nothing had prepared me for the surprise -- albeit from a privileged viewpoint as an invited guest -- of North Korea. As we crossed the Yalu River, the border between North Korea and China, on our 23-hour train ride back to Beijing, it was like journeying forward 50 years in time.

Ahead was all the paraphernalia of life in modern China -- traffic, neon, advertising, cell phones, hustle and bustle. Did we dream the past week? No. Did we want to go back? Yes. Did we learn a little about our own over-complicated way of life? Maybe.

Read the full article at:
http://www.variety.com/story.asp?l=story&a=VR1117950997&c=1061
 

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Its a shame he didn't have any oil because this is one prick that needs to be dealt with. What this prick does to his people makes Saddam look like a quire boy. He reminds me a lot like Fox News. He brainwashes his people daily and they don't know any better because there is no other side. Kinda like Fox news but there are other sides available, we just have gullible people who fall for the wrong side.
 

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Thought this interview with China interesting--by Algazeera believe it or not.

'Hardliners' control N Korea policy
By Benjamin Robertson in Beijing

Wednesday 11 October 2006, 15:23 Makka Time, 12:23 GMT


Shi Yinhong says N Korea feels it is in a strong position


Shi Yinhong is the director of the Centre for American Studies at Renmin University in Beijing.



An expert on international relations, he discussed with Aljazeera.net how North Korea's announcement that it detonated a nuclear bomb will impact the region and the likelihood of finding a solution to the crisis.



Aljazeera.net: What effects will Monday's detonation have on the security of East Asia?



Shi Yinhong: It is very serious. First of all it greatly raises existing antagonism between North Korea and the United States. There is the possibility the US will now take a much more severe line in its actions and policies against North Korea.



The US is now pushing for sanction resolutions against North Korea, and the US and its allies - especially Japan - are trying to expand their individual sanctions into a collective United Nations sanction.



The current situation will also further encourage the Japanese nationalist movement to expand Japan's armed forces and the mission function of those forces.



Although it is currently a minority opinion, North Korea's actions will strengthen those who want to discuss the nuclear option in Japan. And this is also happening in South Korea. South Koreans may now even have to abandon the Sunshine Policy.



Now, China's relations with North Korea have reached a point where there is severe tension between China and North Korea.



In the past China was able to encourage North Korea to act responsibly, but if relations continue to deteriorate then this might only contribute to North Korea's parochial behaviour.



And with North Korea facing increased international isolation, not only from US and Japanese economic and financial sanctions but also from China and South Korea - who will also have to reduce their economic aid to the country - this will all increase the opportunity of malfunction or even a collapse of the regime.



How likely is this scenario of regional nuclear armament?



I don't think South Korea or Japan can go nuclear in a short time. Pro-nuclear opinion in both countries will increase but over time.



Why has North Korea done this?



The primary cause is that over the past few months North Korean domestic policy has changed. After the US launched financial sanctions I think any moderate elements in their policy ended.



Extreme hardliners now have 100% control over policy making and they have enormous political determination to launch their missiles, test their bombs and direct their nuclear arms programme for the purpose of, in their eyes, having a decisive weapon to protect themselves.



Now they feel they have a stronger position to talk to international society and force the US to make substantial concessions to them, including abandoning financial sanctions and agreeing to bilateral talks.



By possessing nuclear weapons they can also show to their own people and army that they are strong and this can help solidify their domestic support.



China is supposed to be North Korea's closest ally and yet asked Pyongyang repeatedly not to test nuclear weapons. What does Monday's explosion say about the state of this relationship?



It is now at the lowest point in many years. Because China is now threatening economic sanctions the tension between the two countries will only develop in the future.



There is the possibility that our relations with North Korea will reverse.



What is the next step?



Because of North Korea?s very particular and difficult nature and also because of various strategic values that all concerned powers hold, the problem has become very difficult.



I don't believe sanctions alone can solve the problem. I also don't think the incentives and soft approach taken by China and South Korea in the past will solve the problem. I don't see any assured way to solve the problem of achieving a denuclearised North Korea.



What UN sanctions will China agree to?



They will agree to sanctions that are not too severe and leave open the prospect of dialogue. They also want to avoid sanctions that might create a collapse. China will propose a limited sanctions resolution that takes a gradual, long-term approach.



Why does China not want North Korea to collapse?



Firstly, because millions of refugees would flow into China. Secondly, a collapse might mean China would have to send troops into North Korea and Sino-American strategic tension and suspicion would only increase. It would destabilise the whole peninsula.



China has a policy of non-inference in affairs of other countries but is it in Beijing's interests to have the current North Korean government in place?



I think China's policy of non interference in other countries internal affairs is correct but North Korea's nuclear issue is another problem that belongs to another category. This is an international issue.



Under the 1961 of mutual co-operation and defence is China not duty bound to defend North Korea?



Legally, this treaty is still here, but the treaty itself stipulates that if North Korea is attacked by other countries then China will respond.



But now the situation is different. This is a provocative act taken by North Korea itself so this is not a situation where China would have to enact this treaty.



Is it possible to return to the six-party talks?



If we are realists and consider how severe the situation is now and especially if we consider North Korea demands that the US would have to end financial sanctions against them as a condition for returning to six party talks.



When we consider all these factors, I don't think the resumption of the six-party talks in the near future is something we can expect to happen.


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