No insurance for police, fire, school, or military....

[shawn555]

You bet your ASS I want to keep my Health Care.

:moon:

And where did obama say you would have to give it up?

Or is that something that Rush told you would happen?

 

[jer-z jock]

And where did obama say you would have to give it up?

Or is that something that Rush told you would happen?

noone said it, thats just another point for them to stir up and cause confusion for everyone else NOT to focus on the real issue.

Get a plan where as everyone goes to the doctor, uses the card. pays X amount and the rest is paid or billed to the gov? maybe:shrug: gov wont get overcharged and the insurance comps wont run games on gov..

 

[rusty]

Keep ur plan if u don't want the one OBama is offering. How hard is this concept? Keep ur plan and keep Rush's thought were they belong and that is on a roll of toilet paper.

Whos paying for the gov,t. plan???The Taxpayers.
Thats where keep your plan,I will use the gov,t.s.
will not work.

 

[The Sponge]

It is so painfully obvious that the Right wants to keep their good buddy's, the insurance companies, happy with the price goughing they do. Then you throw in the handfull of blue dogs (that handful of corrupt democratic pricks to keep things up in the air) these rotten pricks who do nothing but take up space and get in the way of something good in the country. You would think people would be smart enuf to watch Obama discussing these lies after lies and wonder why the right keeps lying. I mean as a person how can u side with these people lying right to ur face? Why do u think Obama keeps exposing these lies? How naive can one be? The right lies and then is exposed for what it is, and then they lie again and the nitwits of this country forgot about the fifty lies previously because they believe another lie. My goodness. I don't know whether to laugh at these jackasses or feel sorry for them.

 

[layinwood]

Sponge, I could care less who the hell pushes what(right or left). I just don't like the plan before Congress. It's the small business man that's getting it right up the ying yang.

If this was last year and this plan went thru, it would have cost me a little over 80k(that's pretty much 80k out of my pocket because that's where ther profits go). How in the hell is it fair for me to foot that much of the bill?

 

[Skulnik]

I know, Trust Obama, I saw a lady comment today that Obama took 6 months to pick out a DOG, but wanted to shove Health care out the door before the August Recess.

:nono:

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

So why not look at changes that can be made first rather than going in and shoving this universal healthcare down our throats?


Here's an idea. For all of the people that don't have insurance, make them eligible for Medicaid no matter what their economic situation. After that, let's start looking at a way to get cost under control. Oboma has some good thoughts on things and he's pushing buttons but lets take our time and do it right.

EXACTLY

That is key to entire issue. If they got changes that will shore up/improve existing programs (medicare/medicade) by all means lets see em.

--but don't expect the sane person to believe that by adding yet another grand daddy of all to them its going to magically fix things and not just add one more inept gov program run amuk.

 

[Trench]

If this was last year and this plan went thru, it would have cost me a little over 80k(that's pretty much 80k out of my pocket because that's where ther profits go). How in the hell is it fair for me to foot that much of the bill?

LW... Could you please explain how HR 3200 would have cost you 80K this year? Thanks.

 

[Spytheweb]

Smurph, I asked this question in another thread but I'll go ahead and ask it here.

When do we stop? If we have our government take over healthcare, what's next?

Oil companies because our gas prices are getting out of wack.

There has to be a line somewhere. I understand people need health insurance and the prices have gotten out of control but why don't they put together a group of people to solve the cost rather than just take it over?

In another thread Duff mentioned that Obama said that Primary Care providers would make as much as specialist and that people don't need to be going to specialist the way they do. Primary care physicians should be taking care of it. Well there's a big reason why they're not and it's because of liability issues. They don't make enough to cover themsevles from being sued so they pass it on to specialist who can better diagnose and treat the patients without the worry of a lawsuit(they still have to worry but they're charging more, making more and have those cost built into what they make. The primary care physicians don't) What will Obama do about lawsuits? These primary care physicians won't be able to afford the malpractice insurance they would need in order to cover what Obama wants them to do.

Maybe I'm rambling but I think that more can be done before we turn in over to the government.

Where do we stop? We can find the money to go to other countries and kill people but when it comes to funding programs to save Americans lives, we can't do that.

In France's system malpractice insurance costs one 10th of what it does in the US. Plus all of the doctor's schooling is free, paid for, that's what you won't hear in the US.

The highway system, national parks and libraries are also socialism. So if republicans had their way, social security, medicare, unemployment insurance and the public school system would be done away with. All highways would be toll roads. No pay, no care not even ER care.

Republicans want to destroy the middle class. They want 2 classes, the rich and the working poor. If you are rich you drive a car, live in a house, have health care and your kids go to college. If you're poor you ride the bus, live in a ghetto, don't have health care and your kids don't go to school, not even public school because that's a socialist program.

We have a group of people who can fix it, they're called the US government. Sad thing is this group is on the payroll of big insurance.

You can't trust health care to police themselves. They see the money and want more every year. It's been over 64 years since Harry Truman tried to fix it. Even the last 8 years Bush never brought it up, why should he, he had very good health care and that's all that mattered.

 

[Spytheweb]

Bush was too stupid to read so they had to just tell him what to say.

I bet with someone even coaching him, Bush sounded like a fool.

 

[The Sponge]

Sponge, I could care less who the hell pushes what(right or left). I just don't like the plan before Congress. It's the small business man that's getting it right up the ying yang.

If this was last year and this plan went thru, it would have cost me a little over 80k(that's pretty much 80k out of my pocket because that's where ther profits go). How in the hell is it fair for me to foot that much of the bill?

Not sure where u are getting those numbers but i do know that one kidney stone and two hours later i was out 12 thousand with no plan.

 

[layinwood]

Not sure where u are getting those numbers but i do know that one kidney stone and two hours later i was out 12 thousand with no plan.

I get those numbers because it says that I'll have to pay an 8% penalty for not offering insurance.

 

[Spytheweb]

I get those numbers because it says that I'll have to pay an 8% penalty for not offering insurance.

So you should be supporting universal single payer?

 

[Trench]

I get those numbers because it says that I'll have to pay an 8% penalty for not offering insurance.

LW... HR 3200 says you would have to pay an 8% payroll tax ONLY if you did not offer the public option healthcare plan. I'm just curious why you wouldn't offer it?

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Where do we stop? We can find the money to go to other countries and kill people but when it comes to funding programs to save Americans lives, we can't do that.

In France's system malpractice insurance costs one 10th of what it does in the US. Plus all of the doctor's schooling is free, paid for, that's what you won't hear in the US.

The highway system, national parks and libraries are also socialism. So if republicans had their way, social security, medicare, unemployment insurance and the public school system would be done away with. All highways would be toll roads. No pay, no care not even ER care.

Republicans want to destroy the middle class. They want 2 classes, the rich and the working poor. If you are rich you drive a car, live in a house, have health care and your kids go to college. If you're poor you ride the bus, live in a ghetto, don't have health care and your kids don't go to school, not even public school because that's a socialist program.

We have a group of people who can fix it, they're called the US government. Sad thing is this group is on the payroll of big insurance.

You can't trust health care to police themselves. They see the money and want more every year. It's been over 64 years since Harry Truman tried to fix it. Even the last 8 years Bush never brought it up, why should he, he had very good health care and that's all that mattered.

Who do you think IS the middle class

--its not your free loading base--want the voting demographics of Gumby backers--AGAIN

Personally I define the middle class as those
--that pay federal income tax
--the 95% that are paying their mortages on time.
--that wish to drive-eat-drink-smoke what they want without having their income being redistributed via taxes to support Da Base.

 

[Chadman]

So if republicans had their way, social security, medicare, unemployment insurance and the public school system would be done away with. All highways would be toll roads. No pay, no care not even ER care.

IMO, what republicans wanted as far as social security was for it to be privatized, which supposedly would have been a great thing. I wonder exactly how good many of those republicans would have felt about the financial institutions running that program, when they were about to go under about 6 months ago, and declaring bankruptcy, or acting like they were going to. The private companies taking our money, and using it "for our own good", because they can run it better. Without the damn government bailing them out THEY said, they would have gone under. I wonder how many people really advocate the SS system going under?