well guys,i just had the dtv guys here and i traded in my old sony for the new hughes with the p5 card... i dont know what my buddy was telling me but hes full of chit saying the p5 was orange,this thing is silver with a blue box of blue saying "direct t.v access card"this fawking thing looks C.I.A proof.. what sucks is i tried giving them my old tuner with no p4 in it so i could have both!!dont the son of a bitches come back to my door 20 minutes later looking for the p4.. fawk... well,i hope they break the p5's now cause i got no p4.. 