Hard to call him an NFL caliber QB when he never faces defenses with future NFL players on them.
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Not impressed with Boise State
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Hard to call him an NFL caliber QB when he never faces defenses with future NFL players on them.
Just sayin
Joe i know you're a fan of another team that is getting trash talked and snubbed at the end of every year when it comes bowl time, but come on man.
You really think getting: wyoming, la tech, fresno, toledo, sjst, utahst, nmst - getting these teams "Best" matters? Vandy would be over .500 with those games. dead serious.
and the 1-2 good teams that they do play a year, you really think they give them "their best"? You think Oregon state gives their best to Boise or Oregon? right...........
They won by 29. LSU beat McNeese St by 22. Nebraska beat So Dakota St by 14. Give me a break.
Your argument is plain laughable Joe. Boise and TCU play 1 or2 big games, and normally spaced out. The meat grinder that is a major conference schedule affects Tex, Fla, UGA, etc... Those mid-majors , like your horned-frogs, are getting a pass on this from homers and some media, but those in the know will tell you that the emotional effects of playing 6+ big games annually is huge.
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Playing one team from the state of Oregon every year is nothing to write home about.
"Ooooh but they beat Virginia Tech this year and they are killing ACC teams!!!" They've beaten BC, NCST, Wake and Duke.
Why are they back in the top25? Good friggin question. Boise has beaten the worse VT team since Vick left and an Oregon State team that is mediocre at best.
Boise shouldn't be in the top10. Undefeated or not there are 15 teams in the top 25 that would beat them 8/10 times on a neutral field
"Ooooh but they beat Virginia Tech this year and they are killing ACC teams!!!" They've beaten BC, NCST, Wake and Duke.
Why are they back in the top25? Good friggin question. Boise has beaten the worse VT team since Vick left and an Oregon State team that is mediocre at best.
Boise shouldn't be in the top10. Undefeated or not there are 15 teams in the top 25 that would beat them 8/10 times on a neutral field
I'd take Boise St vs just about anyone this year in a Bowl game if they are Pk or getting points whether thats the BCS Champ or another BCS bowl. They are legit. But people who say they should jump to a BCS conference, dont really understand the factors conference presidents look at to make decisions.
Its nice they have a football team that's playing well. But, that's completely negated by $'s and academics. They would never be considered for the Pac (I assume the Big 12 and possibley even the MWC) because they are a half step above a JC. They have something like 2 doctorial programs total. ASU and WSU looks like friggin Harvard and Princeton compared to BSU. Idaho U would even be a better fit with a major conference in that regard. The other factor is money. When the Pac brought in Utah and Colorado, they brought in teams playing in the #16 and #31 TV markets in the country and the 2 largest in the Mtn TZ. BSU is in the #113 market. Yes, there is hype around them this year that translates outside Boise, but over the long haul, they bring zero in terms of negotiating a TV deal and drawing a wider audience.
There is just about zero upside in terms of growing revenue and academics with BSU. If BSU football ever slide back to mediocrity or worse, it would be an albatrose in a major confernece. They aren't and wont get any offers.
Its nice they have a football team that's playing well. But, that's completely negated by $'s and academics. They would never be considered for the Pac (I assume the Big 12 and possibley even the MWC) because they are a half step above a JC. They have something like 2 doctorial programs total. ASU and WSU looks like friggin Harvard and Princeton compared to BSU. Idaho U would even be a better fit with a major conference in that regard. The other factor is money. When the Pac brought in Utah and Colorado, they brought in teams playing in the #16 and #31 TV markets in the country and the 2 largest in the Mtn TZ. BSU is in the #113 market. Yes, there is hype around them this year that translates outside Boise, but over the long haul, they bring zero in terms of negotiating a TV deal and drawing a wider audience.
There is just about zero upside in terms of growing revenue and academics with BSU. If BSU football ever slide back to mediocrity or worse, it would be an albatrose in a major confernece. They aren't and wont get any offers.
Now you need to give me a break. Vandy is horrble. Just being in the SEC doesn't make them equal to Bama and Auburn.
Good football teams are good football teams regardless of what conference they play in. To say the AQ schools get tested every week is laughable to me. The bottom dwellers and mid-level teams of every conference should be beaten by the top teams. If the top teams struggle, it's because you can't expect a team to get up for every game. That is why I think it's ridiculous to expect Boise and TCU to always win by 40plus.
You're never going to change my mind and I'm never going to change anyone else that doesn't agree with me. If TCU does move to the Big East, I doubt anything will change if TCU goes undefeated in that conference too.
The only solution is a playoff to decide it on the field. Either that or the NCAA creates their own championship game so the non-AQs can play for a NC.
might be considered a weak comparison but you know Vandy beat E.Mich 52-6. with georgia on deck. I wasn't at their practices that week but I, and everyone else, could easily assume they were preparing for UGA at least "some" during practice that week. Anybody can beat the dog sh*t out of a garbage team.
the problem i have with boise's "credibility" is that it's all based on them beating the hell out of people by 30-50 points. That isn't a problem in itself it's how they do it. last night they are up 29 points and still have the 1st stringers in on offense throwing deep balls trying to score. If anyone in the SEC did that it would be un-classy and they would get hell for it. But since Boise leaves in their starters late in the game with a 4 TD lead to run up the score on a Tired and Beaten team that gives them more credibility.
Even after they scored that next TD and were up by 36 they left the 1st team defense in the game!
If Boise pulled the classy move and put their reserves in late in the game when it is clearly out of reach like most BCS schools, they wouldn't have these crazy margin of victories.
ex: oregon is up by 100 last week against UCLA and puts in their 2nd string for at least half of the 4th quarter (if it was later than that i appologize) and let them play.
I just don't like the fact that boise's whole argument is "the garbage teams we beat we beat by 50!!"
I do agree a playoff is the only solution. If Auburn loses to Bama in TTown by a FG or so, does that mean they shouldn't be allowed to play for the NC? Very silly IMO
the problem i have with boise's "credibility" is that it's all based on them beating the hell out of people by 30-50 points. That isn't a problem in itself it's how they do it. last night they are up 29 points and still have the 1st stringers in on offense throwing deep balls trying to score. If anyone in the SEC did that it would be un-classy and they would get hell for it. But since Boise leaves in their starters late in the game with a 4 TD lead to run up the score on a Tired and Beaten team that gives them more credibility.
Even after they scored that next TD and were up by 36 they left the 1st team defense in the game!
If Boise pulled the classy move and put their reserves in late in the game when it is clearly out of reach like most BCS schools, they wouldn't have these crazy margin of victories.
ex: oregon is up by 100 last week against UCLA and puts in their 2nd string for at least half of the 4th quarter (if it was later than that i appologize) and let them play.
I just don't like the fact that boise's whole argument is "the garbage teams we beat we beat by 50!!"
I do agree a playoff is the only solution. If Auburn loses to Bama in TTown by a FG or so, does that mean they shouldn't be allowed to play for the NC? Very silly IMO
also FWIW the Vandy starters came out towards the end of the 3rd quarter in that blowout. Bama starters only played half the game in their Boise games.
Here's the deal with Boise State
Here's the deal with Boise State
They are the most all-about-football team I have seen since my Noles of the late 80's and early 90's. They play hard, they play fast, they play aggressively, and their HC is a pure magician.
That said, the argument against them is simple. Football is a brutal sport. A team in the SEC or Big-12 for example plays a tough, physical game nearly every week, and that takes a TOLL on the players, physically and mentally. You MUST have QUALITY depth to survive in the "big boy" leagues.
Its one thing for Boise to beat 2-3 BCS teams per year, but it's quite another to do it 8-10 times a year. As I recall, Boise could do only enough to WIN against the likes of VT, Oregon, OreState, etc. but by no means dominated in any of these games.
Here's the deal with Boise State
They are the most all-about-football team I have seen since my Noles of the late 80's and early 90's. They play hard, they play fast, they play aggressively, and their HC is a pure magician.
That said, the argument against them is simple. Football is a brutal sport. A team in the SEC or Big-12 for example plays a tough, physical game nearly every week, and that takes a TOLL on the players, physically and mentally. You MUST have QUALITY depth to survive in the "big boy" leagues.
Its one thing for Boise to beat 2-3 BCS teams per year, but it's quite another to do it 8-10 times a year. As I recall, Boise could do only enough to WIN against the likes of VT, Oregon, OreState, etc. but by no means dominated in any of these games.
My final thoughts on the subject. Let's change the rules of college football this way.
Let's begin every season with an SEC team already guaranteed a spot in the BCS NC game. Then the other 5 AQ conferences are playing for spot #2. The non-AQ schools can play themselves into a BCS bowl only if they go undefeated and have 4 or more top 25 AQ schools as OOC games. If they cannot get 4 or more top 25 AQ schools to play OOC games, then they are already elimated from playing in a BCS Bowl game.
Does that about cover it for everyone? Good. Then let's get back to discussing capping games.
Let's begin every season with an SEC team already guaranteed a spot in the BCS NC game. Then the other 5 AQ conferences are playing for spot #2. The non-AQ schools can play themselves into a BCS bowl only if they go undefeated and have 4 or more top 25 AQ schools as OOC games. If they cannot get 4 or more top 25 AQ schools to play OOC games, then they are already elimated from playing in a BCS Bowl game.
Does that about cover it for everyone? Good. Then let's get back to discussing capping games.
