Notre Dame to Big East (Full Membership)

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As soon as Miami, Syracuse and BC make the announcement to head to ACC...You will be shocked to hear Notre Dame will finally join a conference..you heard it here first. This is what my moles are telling me...

Notre Dame wants their TV package and conference security (bowl tie-ins, other sports revenues) No other conference is going to allow this to happen. Big East and Notre Dame are currently working on the arrangements. Big east will also bring in Louisville, Navy and possibly some others. Remember where you heard it first.
 

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Every bowl tie in an 8-3 or 9-2 ND team has is affiliated with the BE right now..If the BE dissolves..they don't have anywhere to go. All the other bowls have other conference ties.
 

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HEY WILSON, YOU MUST HAVE THE SAME INSIDE SOURCES AS SEX APE!!!! YOU TWO CLOWNS SHOULD TAKE YOUR SHOW ON THE ROAD!!!!


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Sorry Wilson....I gotta bring up the flag.

There is no way ND joins. Tradition and Money stand in the way. I'm not looking for a fight I just dont see a way ND gives up there NBC (Notre Dame Broadcasting Network) contract and shares the wealth with any conference.

The evolution of a playoff will never exclude the Irish. If not the best known they one of the top 5 in college ball. Some say that without the Irish there would be a playoff already. I wouldn't go that far but they have major pull and will never be left on the sideline.

The Sugar Bowl still has an "at large" team slot if the BCS goes away. But the BCS will not just go away. Whatever plan that replaces it will include South Bend.

The Big East has been The Golden Domers bitch for years. Look at their deal: All sports (except the highest revenue earner) play in the Big East. Who else has such a sugar deal? No one. No one in College Football, no one in sport has any type of deal remotely as one sided as the Big East/ ND agreement.

The Big East is not looking for a 12-team membership and a Championship game. They are content to have a conference that bends to Notre Dames every wish. Notre Dame knows it and they turn a blind eye to the Big East taking a pounding from the ACC stealing teams because it doesn't affect them at all. The only change will be the competition in the yearly Lacrosse Championship.

The Fighting Irish will join a conference the day the Vatican joins Italy.
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Blazer,

If you read my post..I said the Big east is the only conference that would allow ND to keep their NBC deal. It is going to happen and then you can place BS flag up your ass. :thefinger :D
 

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Wilson said:
Blazer,

If you read my post..I said the Big east is the only conference that would allow ND to keep their NBC deal. It is going to happen and then you can place BS flag up your ass.



Wilson, I'm not peety. I'm not looking to cuss back and fourth. I was just making a point (if you read my post) that ND would never share the revenues from the bowl games or NBC.


Note Dame Boosters are to powerful (again in previous post) and they will never join the Big East because they like the big paydays that come with the power schedule they play each year.


Washington State
at Mich
Michigan State
at Purdue
at Pittsburgh (BIG EAST)
USC
at Boston College (Leaving BIG EAST)
Florida State
Navy (Future Big East)
BYU
at Stanford
at Syracuse (Leaving BIG EAST)

If ND would join the Big East they would have to drop the marquee names off thier schedule and lose revenue. I'm sorry but ND vs. WV just doesn't have the same ring to it as ND vs. Fla St.. ND at Temple would not get the same amount of TV rating as ND vs. Mich.

It doesn't make sense.

It will not happen.



Take your WV mountain man pipe dreams elsewhere.





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I'm not looking to cuss back and fourth. I was just making a point (if you read my post) that ND would never share the revenues from the bowl games or NBC.

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If you're not looking to cuss back and forth than you can tone it down. Be civil, show some respect, yadda . .yadda..

Notre Dame has WANTED to join a conference for football, but don't want to share their NBC revenues, their bowl revenues, don't want to pay a full conference schedule and a ton of other things. With the Big East turning into a shell of it's former self, it is ready to make a deal that ND can do just about whatever it pleases. It's not out of the question that they would leave as they've brought these terms to the ACC and the Big Ten in the past, but have been denied. The Big East may not have the luxury.

It is unlikely that ND would leave independence for the Big East in my opinion, but that doesn't mean that Wilson hasn't heard people inside talking and I appreciate the information and the discussion.

Why do you think that redneck picture is someone from W.Virginia? He might just be from Tennessee.
 

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Blazer,

That picture was funny..real funny.

Regardless, I just stated what was going on..I have some connection to the WVU brass and the BE is in talks with ND. Bobby hit the nail on the head..that is exactly the reason why ND is considering the BE.

The are two things you have not considered if ND remains independent..What happens to a 9-2, 8-3, 7-4, or 6-5 ND football team. You see, they are currently in a sweetheart alliance with the BE and their tie-ins. How do you think they got in the Gator Bowl last year?(At the expense of WVU)

2nd thing you are not considering...ND needs a conference tie for their olympic sports.

Lastly, the BE will only have 8 teams...that is only a 7 game conference schedule..ND can continue scheduling 4 or 5 traditional foes (USC, Michigan< Mich ST, etc)

Plus, ND can keep their NBC money, have an easy road to BCS and also share conference money (probably another 7 million)

This will all pan out in a few weeks. Hell, Miam and the two other traitors may decide to stay.
 

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Dude...you know that pic was funny.....Bobby, the pic was of a Mountaineer (WV mascot). It's a country-looking guy (kinda like a volenteer ;) ). I am not a Tenn-Vols fan either.

I have never read ND wanting to join a conference for football.

This topic is played out and all we can do is wait and see.

Wilson, I would think being a WV fan you wouldn't want ND in your conference. Wouldn't that yearly ass kicking hurt WV pride? I know it would limit your bowl exposure.

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From MSNBC...



IT IS A Golden Dome World in college football; we just live in it. Now more than ever.
If the Big East loses Miami to the ACC, and if Syracuse and Boston College follow ? as many believe they would ? the Big East, one of the six BCS conferences, would have serious issues. No marquee team, no large television markets and, as much as anything, no legitimate claim to an automatic spot in one of four BCS games.
?If this happens,? says one Big East athletic director, ?there?s only one way to fix it.?
That way is adding Notre Dame. But that way is so loaded with potential pitfalls that no one even wants to address it at this point. Not conference commissioners, not athletic directors, not school presidents. Not even television executives. Because as wild as it sounds ? especially considering the Irish turned down the more prestigious Big Ten in 1999 ? there may be no alternative.
There are two critical points: The BCS can?t lose a major conference and retain credibility, and Notre Dame can?t lose autonomy when negotiating television packages. The Irish are in the middle of an $8 million-a-year deal with NBC that ends after the 2005 season, and the only way the Big East will land college football?s marquee team is with ? hushed tones, please - a revenue-sharing plan.
The Big East would have to sweeten the pot so significantly that the Irish couldn?t say no.
Here?s how: Allow Notre Dame its own television deal for home games, and allow it to piggyback any other deal made by the league. Notre Dame also must keep a majority of its bowl proceeds, especially if the Irish were playing in a multimillion-dollar BCS bowl.
So what?s in this for the Big East? The right to continue as one of the Big Six in the BCS. Let?s face it, without Miami, Syracuse and Boston College, the Big East might as well be the Western Athletic Conference. And life as an independent, without BCS cash flow and with annual scheduling headaches, isn?t worth it.
The BCS would have to be tweaked yet again to facilitate the move. If Notre Dame doesn?t win the conference championship, it still would need to be first in line for a BCS at-large bid as long as it fulfills certain requirements. Currently, the Irish must have nine wins and be ranked among the BCS top 12 to grab an at-large spot.
Why would the BCS do this? Because it?s already bending backward for the Domers.
?They already have the key to the kingdom,? one Big East A.D. says. ?What else can you give them??
An easier road to the national title. Playing a Big East schedule would be significantly less stressful than playing as an independent for the Irish, and Notre Dame still would have enough wiggle room to play a diverse nonconference schedule, a concern that was brought about by influential alumni during talks with the Big Ten.
Let Miami dance with the ACC and create noise. Notre Dame will watch from the side and end up with the best looking girl, anyway
 

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here you go penie just like i said 5 days before it even hit the news that the big east was and had ok'ed a 9 million $ deal for miami and help with travel and gate. and 5 days later it hit the presss, well the same thing wilson was talking about is also teur ,i have more big east connections then you have friends and wilson is very high up with the top man of the whole university and ad. for the n.dame nay sayers i said it 2 weeks ago also they would be in or out but would not have to split their contact that they already have through one net work but they spit the bowl money with big east teams need to learn a little before speaking about what you have no clue over more then 1 of you.

everything i have said or wilson has been 3-4 days before it ever hit the paper, not only do i have unbreakable ties with wvu sports but also was in the big east for some times as well as a family member at pitt and one at wvu for 23 year. so i think i know what we are speaking about when we give out info.

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you always think you know so much it just is worth less in trying to fill other people in because you ruin it with your small fry motuh.
 

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they were the 2nd team ask and turned them down, before any of this was even started. and i know that for fact. over 5 months ago thet were ask about thouhts if they would be intrested, made more sense then bc use your head some.
 

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If Louisville leaves C-USA and destroys the age-old rivalries it has with Cincy and Memphis, C-USA will be an even bigger failure than it already is! How embarrasing! :lol:

Number of C-USA fb teams that made a profit in 2002: 1 :moon:


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big east accuses miami, bc & acc of conspiracy

big east accuses miami, bc & acc of conspiracy

By EDDIE PELLS, AP Sports Writer
June 06, 2003


Five Big East schools sued Miami, Boston College and the Atlantic Coast Conference on Friday, painting the ACC?s expansion plans as a secret conspiracy that would ruin the programs left behind.

The defendants concocted a ?deliberate scheme to destroy the Big East and abscond with the collective value of all that has been invested and created? in the conference, according to the lawsuit.

The five schools ? Pittsburgh, West Virginia, Virginia Tech, Rutgers and Connecticut ? are the football programs that would remain if the other three leave. They seek financial damages and want an injunction to keep Miami and Boston College in the Big East.

Syracuse is part of the potential ACC expansion but was not included in the lawsuit because the plaintiffs said they found no evidence the school made promises to stay in the Big East.

The lawsuit was filed in state Superior Court in Hartford, Conn., not far from the University of Connecticut, which has spent $90 million to upgrade facilities in anticipation of joining the Big East as a football member in 2005.

?We will not sit idly by on the sidelines as these teams leave the Big East,? Connecticut Gov. John G. Rowland said.

The lawsuit contends the five schools have spent millions on their football programs based on the presumption they were members of a healthy conference.

It alleges Miami and BC ? the ?Defecting School Defendants,? as they?re classified in the lawsuit ? and the ACC were involved in secret expansion talks despite Miami?s public commitments to stay in the Big East.

In the lawsuit, Miami president Donna Shalala is quoted on March 6, 2002, reiterating Miami?s commitment ?in the strongest terms possible, emphatically stating that the University of Miami is in the Big East and has no interest in leaving it for any other conference.?

Miami athletic director Paul Dee wouldn?t comment on the lawsuit but said the university would defend itself.

?We believe that everything that we?ve done is appropriate,? Dee said.

ACC commissioner John Swofford said conference lawyers were reviewing the lawsuit.

?We?re disappointed that these schools have chosen to take this action,? he said.

Boston College spokesman Jack Dunn said the school would not comment on pending litigation.

ACC presidents have toured the three schools and are expected to decide soon whether to invite them to join, beginning in 2005. If that happens, Connecticut Attorney General Richard Blumenthal said he?ll immediately file papers seeking a temporary injunction.

Big East bylaws spell out the terms under which teams may leave. Leaving is not illegal, and with a year?s notice, the fine for dropping out is $1 million.

That?s not the point, according to the lawsuit. It claims that by stripping away three of the Big East?s eight football teams, the remaining schools would lose millions of dollars in revenue from the lucrative Bowl Championship Series and from TV deals.

?Big East schools have invested hundreds of millions of dollars in reliance of these now-broken promises,? West Virginia president David C. Hardesty said.

The nine-team ACC has promised football power Miami increased revenue from a more lucrative TV deal it believes it could negotiate as a 12-team conference.

The lawsuit transforms the Big East?s survival strategy from merely a public-relations barrage into a legal one.

Shortly after the ACC?s plans became public last month, Big East commissioner Mike Tranghese said the defections from the 26-year-old conference would ?be the most disastrous blow to intercollegiate athletics in my lifetime.?

On Friday, Tranghese merely issued a brief statement, acknowledging the lawsuit, but stating the conference itself was not involved. He let politicians and university presidents do the talking.

?Fraud is not too strong a word to describe what has happened here,? Blumenthal said. ?This lawsuit reveals a back-room conspiracy, born in secret, founded on greed, and carried out through calculated deceit.?

In laying out the argument, the plaintiffs detail the Big East?s willingness to stand by BC and Miami ?in even the darkest of times.? The lawsuit recalls a gambling investigation at BC and Miami?s stint on NCAA probation, both in the mid-1990s.

?Nevertheless, during this time, the Big East and every member thereof stood behind these schools,? the lawsuit states. ?With this support, Miami and BC were able to weather these crises.?
 

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Told you penie about the miami skags statement last year about a ten you promiose to the big east at their meeting which is on tape, but hey i know nothing , well i have more baseball friends and ncaa fb friends then you and jenny prickett have family trust me on that one. and this was all told 3-4 weeks ago. facts come before fiction in the real world. Funny how i am ahead of the press all the time maybe i am just a mind reader. and pricket we know how many teeth you have you don't need to show us with 2 hands.
 
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