Nov 30th, 60 Minutes: How Online Gamblers Unmasked Cheaters

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60 Minutes/Washington Post Joint Investigation Questions Honesty, Security Of Gambling Sites
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(CBS) A collaboration by two of the world's most respected news organizations reveals how online poker players suspecting cheating were forced to successfully ferret out the cheaters themselves. That's because managers of the mostly-unregulated $18 billion Internet gambling industry failed to respond to their complaints.

The results of the four-month investigation by 60 Minutes correspondent Steve Kroft, producer Ira Rosen and The Washington Post?s two-time Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter Gilbert Gaul will appear this Sunday, Nov. 30, at 7 p.m. ET/PT on 60 Minutes.

"He was raising, just really, really bad hands against very good hands. He seemed to play crazy," says Todd Witteles, a computer scientist turned poker player who believed he was losing too much to the same person. "It seemed like he was giving his money away. Except the only thing was, he wasn't losing. He was playing in a style that was sure to lose, but he was killing the game day after day," Witteles, who played a key detective role, remembers.

Michael Josem, a player and a computer security expert, plotted the odds of such consistent success. "We did the mathematical analysis to find that they were winning at about 15 standard deviations above the mean?approximately equivalent to winning a one-in-a-million jackpot six consecutive times."

The cheating, which netted the cheaters more than $20 million, occurred on two of the Internet's most popular sites, Absolute Poker and Ultimate Bet. The two sites operate out of a shopping mall in Costa Rica and run their games on computer servers housed on an Indian reservation outside of Montreal. They are licensed by a Mohawk tribe that has no background in casino gambling, a tribe that previously made the majority of its money selling tax-free tobacco. Though such gambling is illegal in both Canada and the U.S., the betting laws in those countries have no jurisdiction on the sovereign reservation.
 

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occurred on two of the Internet's most popular sites

thats a terribly false statement and is a black eye on the more reputable places. but nobody outside of the poker community knows this. going to be a generalization story, but probably won't stop anyone from playing.



gl
 

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thats a terribly false statement and is a black eye on the more reputable places. but nobody outside of the poker community knows this. going to be a generalization story, but probably won't stop anyone from playing.



gl

How do you define "popular"?
 

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How do you define "popular"?

stars, full tilt, i poker, party, and cake have more cash players..

not sure about play money.

i guess you could make the case that people definitely played there, but in general they were slow pays, poor service and terrible game selection at absolute (3 table max) and ultimate bet.

i don't think it matters, because the only people that will be scared of is those looking to put 100 bucks in and play with agent........gl
 

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I played at Absolute for just a short period cause they were offering 100% matching deposit

IT is ABSOLUTELY the worst site out there, I could cook, wash clothes and read a book in between hands the software was so slow.

THEN when I wanted a payout, MYSTERIOUSLY the first check got lost in the mail and it took almost 60 days to get my check.
 

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I played at Absolute for just a short period cause they were offering 100% matching deposit

IT is ABSOLUTELY the worst site out there, I could cook, wash clothes and read a book in between hands the software was so slow.

THEN when I wanted a payout, MYSTERIOUSLY the first check got lost in the mail and it took almost 60 days to get my check.

when you're in a rigged game, you probably don't the hands playing very fast.:shrug:
 

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My take is that of course most people who watch this are just going to hear and retain that all online poker is rigged and aren't going to retain the part where some of the victims stated they were a doctor or lawyer, etc that quit to play poker professionally and do well at it.

Also didn't absolute reinburse those players that lost large amounts to "potripper" or who ever had the superuser accts?

Still why anyone would play at a site like absolute is beyond me when you have places like stars to play at....so much better choices of games and tournies and like 7 times the players.

Also, anyone think customer support will be really bad now for a few days after all the donks watching that and flooding the poker sites with emails about how they think they were cheated? :mj07:
 

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I just don't know why you guys don't send me money, and let ME tell you what cards you have been dealt?
 
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