Nurses: Cheney 'would probably be dead' but for government healthcare

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Interesting perspective. It's tough when stuff like this bites you directly in your own arse...;)
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Nurses: Cheney 'would probably be dead' but for government healthcare - Nick Juliano

Campaigning for politicians to address universal healthcare, a nurses' group purchased provocative newspaper ads that warn Vice President Dick Cheney would "probably be dead by now" if he was not part of a single-payer government run healthcare system that keeps his oft-adled heart ticking.

The California Nurses Association purchased the eye-catching ads in 10 Iowa newspapers Tuesday, pointing out what the group says is another irony of the heatlhcare crisis -- that politicians receive health coverage from a government-run program, not insurance companies.

"Dick Cheney, with his heart trouble, would probably be dead now if he were an ordinary American forced to search for cardiac care in a thicket of mercenary insurers and heartless HMOs," Shum Preston wrote on the Nurses' association blog. "Cheney gets guaranteed healthcare; we get squat."

?The patient?s history and prognosis were grim: four heart attacks, quadruple bypass surgery, angioplasty, an implanted defibrillator and now an emergency procedure to treat an irregular heartbeat,? the ad states, referencing Cheney?s lengthy medical chart, according to the Wall Street Journal. ?For millions of Americans, this might be a death sentence. For the vice president, it was just another medical treatment. And it cost him very little.?

The vice president's office apparently was not amused with mentions of Cheney's mortality.

?Something this outrageous does not warrant a response,? Megan Mitchell, a spokeswoman for Cheney, snipped.

The CNA defended its ad, and the shock-value content.

?The ad is about the substance of the debate. The ad says Democrats are bad, and Republicans are worse,? Rose Ann DeMoro, executive director of CNA, told the Journal. ?Dick Cheney is just the exemplar of what it means to have a double standard.?
 

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because they speak the truth.

:mj07: yep, that's it!! I'm sure you're familiar with all of their campaign platforms over the years and the candidates they have endorsed? The national nurses organizations, and the state ones too are all mouthpieces for the left wing of the Democratic party.

An elected official gets government provided healthcare. BFD!! Shouldn't they?? :shrug:
 

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:mj07: yep, that's it!! I'm sure you're familiar with all of their campaign platforms over the years and the candidates they have endorsed? The national nurses organizations, and the state ones too are all mouthpieces for the left wing of the Democratic party.

An elected official gets government provided healthcare. BFD!! Shouldn't they?? :shrug:

yes, they should. regardless of their political persuasion. And you are a registered democrat why?
 

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:An elected official gets government provided healthcare. BFD!! Shouldn't they?? :shrug:

I think that's the point...it works well for them, and then they call anyone who advocate the same care they take advantage of a socialist.
 

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I think that's the point...it works well for them, and then they call anyone who advocate the same care they take advantage of a socialist.

:shrug: Chaney is the Vice President of the United States, but it's not ok for the taxpayers to pick up his medical expenses?? :shrug: I don't understand your point here? If Bill Clinton or Al Gore was sick or had cancer, they should have received all the best treatment too. This has nothing to do with socialized mediciine. This is an employer (which denotes working) paying for healthcare.
 

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I think it's entirely appropriate we pick up the tab, I agree on the employer idea, as well, fair point. Not what I was saying at all.

I just think it's a little hypocritical when those that benefit from it directly, and clearly to a high degree, to turn right around and claim that everyone else would certainly suffer from the same government-run care. Not the same, of course, but it's just the idea of it that I find a little off - and so do those responsible for the care giving.
 

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I think it's entirely appropriate we pick up the tab, I agree on the employer idea, as well, fair point. Not what I was saying at all.

I just think it's a little hypocritical when those that benefit from it directly, and clearly to a high degree, to turn right around and claim that everyone else would certainly suffer from the same government-run care. Not the same, of course, but it's just the idea of it that I find a little off - and so do those responsible for the care giving.

that's certainly not how I feel.
 

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and politicians in congress work about how many days a year?.....of course THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES gets primo health care....you think that`s unique to the usa?....


who here has health care that wouldn`t cover heart stents and a pacemaker/defibrilator if needed?....

of course it won`t cover 100%..but,that`s life....

my issues with the healthcare system would be items like the politics that come into play allowing only certain hospitals to have the priveleges to do certain heart procedures....that`s b.s....pure politics.....it`s crap like this,where time is crucial,that has probably cost many their lives....being shuffled between hospitals while their heart muscle is atrophying...

and if you have a job(as you should) and don`t have any healthcare,you need to rearrange your priorities...


shit,a mexican drug dealer goes to a hospital with chest pains,he gets cared for without having one iota of identification,much less health insurance.....

healthcare isn`t perfect anywhere...but,it`s as good here as anywhere for the average hard working schmoe who has the common sense to cover his ass....

and it ain`t bad for the irresponsible either...

the writer of that article must have his brain sitting in a jar....well,somebody ought to throw a blanket over it `cause it clearly needs some rest....

and maybe have it`s brine changed...

remember the sage words of lao tsu.....

"many man smoke..but,fu manchu"......:hail
 
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:mj07: yep, that's it!! I'm sure you're familiar with all of their campaign platforms over the years and the candidates they have endorsed? The national nurses organizations, and the state ones too are all mouthpieces for the left wing of the Democratic party.

An elected official gets government provided healthcare. BFD!! Shouldn't they?? :shrug:

NO THEY SHOULD NOT GET A HAND OUT FROM THE PEOPLE THEY PRETEND TO SERVE. Funny how the Republican party preaches self reliance. I agree... I am a Republican. I pay for my own HC out of pocket and so should every public official that makes over 50,000 per yr. There is no way the public should pay for millionaires HC. People like you that give lip service about the left, are the problem ... There is nothing more liberal, socialist or left wing than giving HC away to this segment of the population. These guys don't want to give it away to the poor, so why should they be above the people they rip off in the shame of PUBLIC SERVICE ??? I'm a private contractor looking out for my best interest. The elected officials that you want to coddle with public $$$$'s are looking out for their best interest. Let the lobbyist that pay them to send our jobs to other countries pay for their HC. Let CHINA PAY THE HC for their boys in Washington , as they look the other way as our Dollar drops and poison streams over our borders in the form of food and toys and so many other products. If they were working for us I would say maybe.... NO WAY THEY SHOULD GET WELFARE FROM THE PEOPLE THEY RIP OFF !!! No one holds a gun to the heads of these people that run for office. It's un- American to GIVE them free HC. People like you, Ms. Clinton and most of the ass holes in BOTH PARTIES want to keep giving America away. THIS IS JUST ONE MORE EXAMPLE OF WHY THE LEFT IS WRONG AND THE RIGHT DOESN'T GET IT. The right has joined their comrades on the left and the destruction of America is the price.
 

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NO THEY SHOULD NOT GET A HAND OUT FROM THE PEOPLE THEY PRETEND TO SERVE. Funny how the Republican party preaches self reliance. I agree... I am a Republican. I pay for my own HC out of pocket and so should every public official that makes over 50,000 per yr. There is no way the public should pay for millionaires HC. People like you that give lip service about the left, are the problem ... There is nothing more liberal, socialist or left wing than giving HC away to this segment of the population. These guys don't want to give it away to the poor, so why should they be above the people they rip off in the shame of PUBLIC SERVICE ??? I'm a private contractor looking out for my best interest. The elected officials that you want to coddle with public $$$$'s are looking out for their best interest. Let the lobbyist that pay them to send our jobs to other countries pay for their HC. Let CHINA PAY THE HC for their boys in Washington , as they look the other way as our Dollar drops and poison streams over our borders in the form of food and toys and so many other products. If they were working for us I would say maybe.... NO WAY THEY SHOULD GET WELFARE FROM THE PEOPLE THEY RIP OFF !!! No one holds a gun to the heads of these people that run for office. It's un- American to GIVE them free HC. People like you, Ms. Clinton and most of the ass holes in BOTH PARTIES want to keep giving America away. THIS IS JUST ONE MORE EXAMPLE OF WHY THE LEFT IS WRONG AND THE RIGHT DOESN'T GET IT. The right has joined their comrades on the left and the destruction of America is the price.

settle down, Beavis!! I know of quite a few employers that pay for their employees healthcare. I don't see the difference here. Chaney is working.
 

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and politicians in congress work about how many days a year?.....of course THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES gets primo health care....you think that`s unique to the usa?....


who here has health care that wouldn`t cover heart stents and a pacemaker/defibrilator if needed?....

of course it won`t cover 100%..but,that`s life....

my issues with the healthcare system would be items like the politics that come into play allowing only certain hospitals to have the priveleges to do certain heart procedures....that`s b.s....pure politics.....it`s crap like this,where time is crucial,that has probably cost many their lives....being shuffled between hospitals while their heart muscle is atrophying...

and if you have a job(as you should) and don`t have any healthcare,you need to rearrange your priorities...


shit,a mexican drug dealer goes to a hospital with chest pains,he gets cared for without having one iota of identification,much less health insurance.....

healthcare isn`t perfect anywhere...but,it`s as good here as anywhere for the average hard working schmoe who has the common sense to cover his ass....

and it ain`t bad for the irresponsible either...

the writer of that article must have his brain sitting in a jar....well,somebody ought to throw a blanket over it `cause it clearly needs some rest....

and maybe have it`s brine changed...

remember the sage words of lao tsu.....

"many man smoke..but,fu manchu"......:hail

Interesting. I guess that if it's something democrats or the "left" come up with, then it's issuable, and if it's something you agree with, then it's ok, not a problem, and we should all just accept it. Personally, I think the medical and insurance situation we currently are a part of is the most wasteful and screwed up thing I can think of. I don't know about you, but my insurance premiums have gone through the roof the past few years - WAY more than anything else I can think of. But in your mind, that's ok, I guess.

This President and his surrounders are adamently against any government participation in the process. I get that to a degree. But to prevent Medicare and Medicade organizations to negotiate for better pricing for ALL participants is one shining example of how screwed up this is. Why would this be? Do you think that money and political support would have anything to do with it? Insurance companies? Big and Little Pharma? Hospitals and medical companies?Who stands to lose if we try to change the current system? Exactly the people who are causing financial stress on the citizens of this country. And the politicians they support. And in many cases the doctors that decide what meds to prescribe - and why.

No doubt that the current system needs adjusting - at least in my mind. I understand that doctors and hospitals and manufacturers and pharma have to endure usurious and opportunistic lawsuits. That's wrong. I understand that insurance companies have to do the same thing. I understand we need some of the suits to keep the others in line and performing appropriate care. There's bad apples in all areas.

Bottom line? People are having to make incredibly difficult decisions every minute of the day because of our healthcare system. Why should that be essentially the only thing not worth trying to improve for the betterment of society at large, and the individual?

It's ok with you. No problem. It's an important issue for me. Anyone who dismisses it and accepts things for what they are seems a little politically opportunistic and/or unrealistic to me if you're looking at the problems facing us all today, but hey, that's just me.

For the record, one of the main reasons I voted for our Republican governor was this very issue. His staunch support of group negotiations for medications, despite the pressure he was getting from the National Republican Party and the groups that would suffer financially from that. I guess it's all a matter of perspective, eh?
 

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Cheney hides behind the conservative tag. He takes everything he can from the government. But would tell all of us it's no good and we can't have it. He's a two faced what ever??
 
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