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--of course 2 lawsuits just filed against them might have helped ;)
--and can't seem to find this on A.P or Reuters headline news today :)
http://news.yahoo.com/i/514;_ylt=AtsDyTS3ruyO4KBUeb7Mry2FOrgF
http://news.yahoo.com/i/578;_ylt=ApgTe7hMXm0rabsQQJ5obj.FOrgF

York Times Public Editor Rebukes MoveOn.org's Petraeus Ad
Sunday , September 23, 2007

The New York Times acknowledged Sunday that a controversial advertisement attacking Gen. David Petraeus, the American commander in Iraq, was sold to a liberal activist group at a discount rate the organization was not entitled to receive, and that the paper violated its own advertising policies when it published the ad.

In a column published Sunday entitled, "Betraying Its Own Best Interests," Times Public Editor Clark Hoyt wrote that after reviewing the Times' policies regarding the sale and content of advertisements and conducting his own investigation of the matter, "I think the ad violated the Times' own written standards, and the paper now says that the advertiser got a price break it was not entitled to."

According to the column, MoveOn.org purchased the ad at a "standby" rate of $64,575 when it should have been charged $142,083. To receive standby rates, advertisers cannot be guaranteed a date when their ads will run, but the sales representative who sold the ad to MoveOn.org told the organization that the ad would run on Monday, Sept. 10?the day that Petraeus was to appear before Congress.

Click here to read the full column at The New York Times.com.

Hoyt wrote in the column that Catherine Mathis, vice president of corporate communications for the Times, told him that the price was "a mistake," and that "the advertising representative failed to make it clear that for that rate the Times could not guarantee the Monday placement but left MoveOn.org with the understanding that the ad would run then ... That was contrary to our policies."

Hoyt said the content of the ad?a full-page advertisement that questioned Petraeus' truthfulness with the headline "Gen. Petraeus or Gen. Betray Us?" violated Times advertising policy.

"The ad appears to fly in the face of an internal advertising acceptability manual that says, 'We do not accept opinion advertisements that are attacks of a personal nature,'" Hoyt wrote. He wrote that the Times director of advertising acceptability, Steph Jespersen, told him that while he did think the language of the Petraeus ad was "rough," he "regarded it as a comment on a public official's management of his office and therefore acceptable speech for the Times to print."

Times publisher Arthur Sulzberger, Jr., was not aware of the MoveOn.org ad until it appeared in the paper, Hoyt wrote.

"If we're going to err, its better to err on the side of more political dialogue. ... Perhaps we did err in this case. If we did, we erred with the intent of giving greater voice to people," Sulzberger told Hoyt.

Hoyt wrote in the column that he disagrees with the decisions made by the Times employees responsible for the ad being published.

"For me, two values collided here: the right of free speech ? even if its abusive speech ? and a strong personal revulsion toward the name-calling and personal attacks that now pass for political dialogue, obscuring rather than illuminating important policy issues," Hoyt wrote. "For the Times, there is another value: the protection of its brand as a newspaper that sets a high standard for civility. Were I in Jespersen's shoes, I'd have demanded changes to eliminate Betray Us, a particularly low blow when aimed at a soldier."
 
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Maybe they are unhappy with this administration because they were duped into helping them sell this war to the world and the American People. The cons on the right had no problem when Cheney and Scooter leaked all kinds of false information to Judy Miller to sell this war in the NY TIMES. There are countless friendships and connections between this White House and friends of this White House and the NYT's.......I find it laughable that those on the right would have a problem with their friends at the Times. These people were all educated in the same liberal institutions and their common bond is keeping power over the American people. These little fights are just food for the masses. Distract and divide. These guys laugh at us at their private clubs and parties. Do you think most real Americans give much thought to this Ad ? Do you think Hard working America cares what millionaires pay to other millionaires to print propaganda ?
 

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Red meat for the gullible. Again why no problem with his very own boss calling him a kiss ass? Sounds to me Move-on was right as Betrayus is just another shill for the whitehouse.
 

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Well, DTB, nobody gives a chit about the facts of the NYT case, it's just the war, the this and the that BS. And it's always the same thing, regardless.

When did this country stop giving a chit about what's correct and incorrect? Nope, all we hear is politics and cover your buddies with the same ideology, no matter what the ****up. :shrug:

The sky is falling.
 

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I can't believe someone on the far right has the nerve to complain about the NYT.... either you can't read or you think the rest of us don't. This administration and anyone that's supports them should never cry about the mean liberal NYT's again. Judy Miller spent 12 wks in jail because she would not give up her source. When She finally received a call and letter from Vp Cheney's Chief of staff Scooter Libby, who gave her a wavier to say he was the source that she was protecting. Who was Scooter protecting ? Could it be his boss the Vp & his boss the President that gave him a pardon ? This is the way it works, it's them against us, you need to come over to our side !
 

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Amusing to see forum liberals dance even when their their media is forced to admit they were caught with the drawers down:142smilie

Bet these 2 still have doubts about :nono: even though forensnic forced him to "cum" clean.:mj07:

They can dance all they want but how many million votes did that episode cost from the moderates.

Time to pay the piper

--and speaking of paying the piper--looks like another liberal outlet found that bad behavior will bite them in the ass--

Lets just hopethe liberal element does smarten up before 08 and realize they are a minority--afraid after a few more wake up calls like this from we the people they might catch on--;)

FORT COLLINS, Colo. ? The editor of the Colorado State University newspaper says he has no plans to resign amid criticism of the paper for using an obscenity in an editorial about President Bush.

The four-word editorial, published Friday in the Rocky Mountain Collegian, said in large type, "Taser this. F?- Bush."

J. David McSwane, the Collegian's editor-in-chief and a CSU junior, said the newspaper's governing board may fire him but he said he would not voluntarily step aside.

"I think that'd be an insult to the staff who supported the editorial," McSwane told the Fort Collins Coloradoan in Monday's editions.

The newspaper's business manager has said the operation lost $30,000 in advertising in the hours after the editorial was published, and that the pay of student staffers would be cut 10 percent to compensate

McSwane said the newspaper's student editors decided to use the obscenity because CSU students are apathetic about free speech and other rights.

"We thought the best way to illustrate that point was to use our freedoms," he said
 

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Who's price law was broken. I thought business can charge what they want going down but not up. And who was it that used general Powell for same type pony show the last general was just used for. Just give half the truth.
 

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Let's see if I've got this right. The Times ran a one sided piece on Gen.P. from Moveon.org. They were deliberately trying to persuade public opinion, right? And the senate voted that that was a bad thingy, right? Did the senate consider that Fox just recently publicly admitted they were trying to persuade public opinion on an immigration bill? No? Why not?
 

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I'd like to see more on this Fox issue--is this from valid source or one of your blogs

Could you provide us with the details.

---and its not about one sided its about sec violations/ethics violations

In case to missed the obvious in your dailykos/moveon sessions-- you might want to read initial thread. :)

--a few updates however--moveon has sent the additional money to try and cover their asses.

You know--like the bank robber who gets caught --THEN-offers to give it back if they let him go:mj07:

Taken right out of Hilliary's playbook. ;)
 
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Personally, I don't think the ad will cost democrats many votes in the long run. Most mainstream liberal leaners realize that MoveOn is a pretty radical thought pusher and doesn't really affect their positions all that much. I consider myself in that group, and nothing MoveOn would publish would move me much against liberal thoughts at face value without thinking about it some.
 

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This guy is another Powell who lied to the UN for war

This guy is another Powell who lied to the UN for war

What if the ad was free? Was the story true? The death toll hit 3,800 today and should round out to about 5,000 when a new President is sworn in. If that President is a republican the death toll will continue.


http://icasualties.org/oif/
 

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What if the ad was free? Was the story true? The death toll hit 3,800 today and should round out to about 5,000 when a new President is sworn in. If that President is a republican the death toll will continue.


http://icasualties.org/oif/


second verse, same as the first. What a broken record you are, you miserable fock. I think you should move to another country more to your liking.
:thefinger :fingerc: :mj10: :mj12:
 

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I don't see this add doing anything for votes. But I would like to know if it was 100% on up/up. I remember how they used Gen Powell with half truths. That he said if he new truth he would never had stood at the U N and ??. Now we see Gen Petraeus was talking about 1/3rd of Iraq. Hows the other2/3rds doing. Was he used to or is add right. I don't really care how much was paid. I want to know the truth.
 

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I don't really care how much was paid. I want to know the truth.

It's hard to take seriously an ad/op-ed that comments on a speech/progress report before it is actually given. I'm not sure i'd look for the 'truth' under those conditions.
 

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second verse, same as the first. What a broken record you are, you miserable fock. I think you should move to another country more to your liking.
:thefinger :fingerc: :mj10: :mj12:

Maybe he wants to live here but we have a bunch of people who vote these crooks in but have no idea that they are crooks. If we could only get these gullibe people to leave we wouldn't be the laughing stocks we are today. Just a thought
 

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Maybe he wants to live here but we have a bunch of people who vote these crooks in but have no idea that they are crooks. If we could only get these gullibe people to leave we wouldn't be the laughing stocks we are today. Just a thought

Sponge- Do you condemn the Swift Boats ads?

Yes or no.

Do you condemn this MoveOn ad?

Yes or no.

If your answer is different regarding these two hatchet jobs, please explain why there is a difference.

I won't hold my breath.
 

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Although the language in the ad was purposely used for histrionic effect and most find problematic, I don't remember it being much more than a question about the General in general and his ongoing discussions about progress. I still have not seen much criticism of the content of the message itself and the reasoning that was put forth in it.

It's similar in nature to the Swift Boat ads, but it's interesting to note that most republicans as I recall didn't have much of a problem with those.

Again, the ad did not say anything specifically inasmuch as it posed the question.
 

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second verse, same as the first. What a broken record you are, you miserable fock. I think you should move to another country more to your liking.
:thefinger :fingerc: :mj10: :mj12:

Clint Have a little sympathy for him--he's dying a slow death and he knows it--in his last few threads on topic he's been talking to himself and he's lonesome--his last hope is trying to slip it in somewhere else--
 

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Kosar seeing it was N Y and DC involved. I guess wee should look for who leaked what was coming. The day before the mass media was already guessing what was coming. And they were accurate on to much. Does that make the add right. Hell No. But if he was not on up and up we should be peed at that even more then the add.
Betrayed may be wrong wording. Used may be true.
 

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Sponge- Do you condemn the Swift Boats ads?

Yes or no.

Do you condemn this MoveOn ad?

Yes or no.

If your answer is different regarding these two hatchet jobs, please explain why there is a difference.

I won't hold my breath.

Yes i condem the swift boat adds because they were full of lies. No i don't condem the move on org add because it was the truth. Petreaus very own boss said that Petreaus is a kiss ass. What part of that seems to be slipping by you and everyone else? MOve on stands up to these pigs that seem to con most of you and that is why Fox attacks them all the time. Halve the democrats dowon't stand up to these pigs and that is why they are always labeled weak and a bunch of pussy's in my book. There is nothing radical about Move on. That is a crock of shit Oreilly made up because they kept exposing him. Did you even read the ad or did you just get the spin from Fox. Again his very own boss was pissed off at what he did. Who would know more then his boss? Is his boss a shill for moveon? I highly doubt it. Sounds like his boss cares about the country and is as sick of this bullshit as every otherreasonable clear thinker in the country who doesn't get conned by sound bites.
 
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