obama administration working for you....

[kcwolf]

Let me get this straight--you think Breihart put up video that was made 26 years ago?

One of us is all wet on this issue--I am under impression this video is from
--recent NAACP gathering accusing (another org that welcomes all races)--on being racist-bigoted and predjudice.

Where am I wrong?

Sorry DTB, you need to recheck what you heard. The tape is 26 years old.

 

[kcwolf]

KC, it is nice hearing from you again.

I really don't believe race has anything to do with Obama's troubles. He is a very likeable guy - and he is as much white as he is black (50/50 if i remember right). It may matter to a few people, but I'd like to think the vast majority of people look past his race and judge him by his policies and agenda. Look at the polling when he was elected - his approval rating was very high - which it wouldn't have been if it was a racial issue. Since then, his approval rating has dropped faster and lower than any president in history - and that isn't because of his race, as his race has changed. It is his policies and agenda, whcih the majority of Americans soundly reject.

And that is what stinks. The procedures he used, and the lying he involked, to get the health care bill through was unprecidented. Just the cost estimate portion alone was unbelievable - and it has recently come out that Sebellius had the updated cost estimates from the CBO that showed that the bill would increase the deficit and spending but she suppressed the info "as to not influence the voting". The Dems knew that this was a bad bill. It didn't touch the cost drivers at all - Docs/Hospitals/Rx all got a pass. People will get less choice (you can't really keep your plan if you like it, as Obama lied about). People were soundly against the bill when it got snuck through in the middle of the night on Christmas Eve (that should say enough right there - Christmas Eve!), and public sentiment hasn't changed.

Then the AZ issue - where again Obama is trying to dictate to the people against their wishes. The takeover of the auto industry. The ballout of Wall Street. The refusal to regulate Fanny and Freddie Mac (the real instigators of the real estate meltdown).

Poll after poll shows that people still like Obama as a person, but do not like his socialistic policies. This is not about race - it is about Americans strong belief on the capitalism system on which we are founded, and their rejection of moving to a socialistic system.

I applaud the Reps who are standing up to Obama and his "changing" of America. It is the only tactic they could use to help us remain true to the founding fathers. Once the Repubs get the majoirty in the House (which they clearly have a chance this year), I think things will change drastically. For one thing, I'm sure Issa from CA will immediately begin an investigation into the Chicago style politics and intimidation that have gone on in the White House. The bribery that went on in the health care fiasco was at unprecidented levels. The offering jobs to not run in runoff races - isn't it the people to decide who they want to elect, not the WH to decide who they should elect? This issue will come back to bite Obama - especially if there was any sort of coverup on this (which I think there clearly was, based on some of the evidence that has come out). Remember, Nixon didn't get impeached because of what he did, he got impeached for the effort of covering up the crime.

We have a lot of damage to undo after the country removes Obama from office. But I'm confident that we have enough bright minds in this country that we'll be able to restore our original founders' ideals and prosper again!

But KC, to simply say this is a race issue is not only an insult to America, but it couldn't be farther than the truth. It is an agenda issue - and the people aren't buying.

I never said it was as simple as race my friend. Hope all is well with you. Your second to last paragraph for me is what Obama is trying to now, repairing damages that will take 15-20 years to repair. It is hard to do much in 18 months and an unwilling congress. As far as Arizona, I could write a chapter. Briefly, should we change the constitution to allow every state to have a different take on immigration? Is it necessary to all of a sudden allow officiers to be sued?

In closing, sorry to hear you applauding obstruction, especially after a bill has passed.

I guess several of my points are something no one cares about anymore. I'm so upset and discouraged about the racism this past week I need to take a break from this forum.

 

[Mags]

I never said it was as simple as race my friend. Hope all is well with you. Your second to last paragraph for me is what Obama is trying to now, repairing damages that will take 15-20 years to repair. It is hard to do much in 18 months and an unwilling congress. As far as Arizona, I could write a chapter. Briefly, should we change the constitution to allow every state to have a different take on immigration? Is it necessary to all of a sudden allow officiers to be sued?

In closing, sorry to hear you applauding obstruction, especially after a bill has passed.

I guess several of my points are something no one cares about anymore. I'm so upset and discouraged about the racism this past week I need to take a break from this forum.

I didn't realize that AZ has created separate immigration rules - I thought all they were doing in putting procedures in place to actually enforce the existing federal law (since the Feds have made it clear they have no interest in enforcing the law). I thought states should always support the federal government and assist in upholding state AND federal law. States do it all the time today - bankrobbery, kidnapping over state lines, etc. I really don't want states to "stand down" on any federal crime and just sit by and wait for the feds to do something. Can you imagine if states said "we will no longer respond to bank robberies, since it is a federal crime"? I think states have the right and responsibility to enforce all laws to the best of their ability. I have friends that live in Phoenix - lets just say it is very hard for people that don't live in AZ to understand the issues they face today. If you haven't walked a mile in their shoes.......

As far as the "obstruction", I guess I see it a different way. The American people have made it clear they didn't want the health care bill (at least the present form of it). Obama and the Dems said "screw you, we'll pass it anyway in the middle of the night - and we won't even let you see it before we do". I see the Republicans siding with the American people, who are saying "we do not want socialism, we want capitalism". I see the Democrats ignoring the wishes of the American people and instead pandering to Obama. I see the Republicans standing with America and the Dems giving the big FU to what the majority of Americans want.

Now, if you'd see polling that said the vast majority of Americans supported the health care bill (they do not) and supported Obama in sueing Arizona (they do not), then clearly I'd feel differently.

I just don't get why Obama is so obstinate in ignorning the wishes and will of the American people. It's like he's right, and the rest of America is just stupid - and we should trust him to do best for us.

Well, I clearly don't trust him, and, while the majority of Americans did trust him in Nov 2008, they clearly do not anymore.

 

[Lumi]

Well said Mags ! :toast:

Another example, Prop 8, here in the Socialist Republic of Kahliefornia, the Same Sex Marriage Law. The People of the State voted Yes, which means No :shrug: , on the Prop. Now it's going round and round in the courts, shocking :scared The voice of the people was cast, yet the circuit court is going to decide. Of course ! Same thing happened with Prop 187, people OVERWHELMINGLY said NO, courts reversed it.
My opinions on these props aren't at issue here, it's the fact the courts during Democrat Presidential Reign overturned are going to overturn the will of the people.

 

[Skulnik]

Sorry DTB, you need to recheck what you heard. The tape is 26 years old.

KC, the subject matter is from 24 years ago, the tape is from March 2010 at an NAACP meeting.

:0074

 

[Lumi]

I don't know where I either heard it or read it ?

Is there some question about the farmers and them actually being the ones mentioned in the story?

I'm not throwing a grenade in a bucket of shit her, I just can't remember where I heard this?

duh ! happens quite often in my world with 2 moons :SIB

 

[kcwolf]

I was wrong as Skuknik points out. Since the tape is only 5 months old about a story 24 years old, lay the blame on her. Breibart is innocent and set up. Hannity and Coulter speak the truth. And I'm sure glad racism of Obama only happens on this forum, I am relieved it never happens in the real world of conservative politics, TV shows and radio.

Now I can rest easy, knowing government was perfect until January 20, 2009 and 18 months can quickly be fixed by January 31, 2011. I may be back next year, around Valentines Day, all will be well by then.

 

[Mags]

I may be back next year, around Valentines Day, all will be well by then.

It may not be all well, but if the Republicans can at least take back the House of Representatives, it will be better than it is now - we can at least stem the tide of radical change - which we need to do before we can set things right again.

FYI - I hope you don't go - I like to hear the liberal side too (which you provide), so I can understand it better....

 

[Trampled Underfoot]

we can at least stem the tide of radical change - which we need to do before we can set things right again.

Radical? So you have a guy in the white house who has continued the bailouts that were started by Bush. He has also continued two useless wars that he started. I just don't see how Obama is radical. Some of you guys are so fucking blind.

 

[Mags]

I just don't see how Obama is radical.

When you ARE radical, it sometimes tough to SEE radical.......

 

[Trampled Underfoot]

When you ARE radical, it sometimes tough to SEE radical.......

Please explain. What has Obama done that is soooo radical? Its the same shit as before.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

I was wrong as Skuknik points out. Since the tape is only 5 months old about a story 24 years old, lay the blame on her. Breibart is innocent and set up. Hannity and Coulter speak the truth. And I'm sure glad racism of Obama only happens on this forum, I am relieved it never happens in the real world of conservative politics, TV shows and radio.

Now I can rest easy, knowing government was perfect until January 20, 2009 and 18 months can quickly be fixed by January 31, 2011. I may be back next year, around Valentines Day, all will be well by then.

Thank you--thank you very much

 

[Mags]

Please explain. What has Obama done that is soooo radical? Its the same shit as before.

1. Economic Stimulus, which was projected to not be effective, and clearly hasn't been. Put more money into the government by printing it. Most of the money spent went to public projects - and public employees.

2. Transforming 16.7% of our national economy from a free market, private based system to a government controlled, quasi-private system. How many private businesses have limits on admin costs and profits set by the government? And the funny thing is, Obama did this to lower costs - but now the CBO is showing that this will INCREASE costs. And that doesn't even touch the fact that the government is now going to require you to purchase a product you may not want to purchase. What is next? My guess it that Obama will make it mandatory that all citizens only buy GM cars, since it the government's company, and it is important to support it. Hmm, forced to buy the government's products.... sounds like Communist Russia to me.

3. Taking over the auto industry, that has been ravaged by poor decision making, excessive wages and benefits driven by out of control unions, and poor products. Businesses fail all the time if they lack the ability to manage their own company. The Government's job is not to take over industries when they screw up - you let them go out of business, and let a new player come in and pick up the slack. More government control.

4. Financial regulation - more radical government control. Yet, the companies (Freddy and Fanny Mac) most responsible for the mortage/real estate meltdown are not even included in the financial reg bill. Why? Because they are government agencies of course, and are assumed to be non-sensical agencies to begin with.

5. The Federal lawsuit against Arizona's bill that coincides with federal law to actually help the Feds do it's job. To my knowledge, the government has NEVER sued a state before. Never. And the public is very strongly against the government sueing Arizona on this issue - and very strongly in favor of the law as written. How's that for radical?

There are many more examples - but I am getting tired of typiing. Obama is clearly the most radical and polarizing president ever - and I believe it has nothing to do with his race. If he was a white democrat (with no AA blood) the public would feel the same way.

There is a reason why Obama had such a high approval rating overall when he was elected (people loved him, no matter if he called himself black or white) and him as a potential leader. And people STILL like him, overall, as an enagaging personality - all the polls show that.

But they also show a president who has had the biggest and quickest drop in approval rating in his first year of being elected. Why? Did everyone all of sudden discover he was black and decided not to like him anymore? Of course not, his skin color has nothing to do with it.

It's his radical policies and agenda that people hate. And people that try to make this a race issue are either liberal democrats who really want us to be a socialistic country, or are just too blind to see the damage that is being done to our great country.

 

[Trampled Underfoot]

There are many more examples - but I am getting tired of typiing. Obama is clearly the most radical and polarizing president ever - and I believe it has nothing to do with his race. If he was a white democrat (with no AA blood) the public would feel the same way.

I know you want to say it. Go ahead.

Is anything on that list really radical? No. I'm against all the bailouts but Bush did the first bailout when he realized what was going on and McCain was for them too. So you can cross those off your list.

Lets get to financial regulation. Have you seen whats went on? We don't even get to see everything. Take a look at naked short selling. There is so much shit going on it would blow people's minds. When there are no regulations, the rich get richer.

Don't even get me started on Arizona. As for states being sued. C'mon. It happens all the time. All the time. Again, nothing radical.

You know with all the dipshits on here I don't like to spend time really getting into it anymore. Its a waste of time. Look at DTB for example. However, if this is all you got its really sad.

 

[rusty]

I know you want to say it. Go ahead.

Is anything on that list really radical? No. I'm against all the bailouts but Bush did the first bailout when he realized what was going on and McCain was for them too. So you can cross those off your list.

Lets get to financial regulation. Have you seen whats went on? We don't even get to see everything. Take a look at naked short selling. There is so much shit going on it would blow people's minds. When there are no regulations, the rich get richer.

Don't even get me started on Arizona. As for states being sued. C'mon. It happens all the time. All the time. Again, nothing radical.

You know with all the dipshits on here I don't like to spend time really getting into it anymore. Its a waste of time. Look at DTB for example. However, if this is all you got its really sad.

Tramp you have to admit he has taken Democrats to new highs.I voted for him but don't you think all his socialist programs have failed?The only one I can see that has done some good is the auto industry,but we still wont recover all that money.

 

[Mags]

Don't even get me started on Arizona. As for states being sued. C'mon. It happens all the time. All the time. Again, nothing radical.

You know with all the dipshits on here I don't like to spend time really getting into it anymore. Its a waste of time. Look at DTB for example. However, if this is all you got its really sad.

Not looking to "get into it".... I do enjoy intelligent debate though...

You say the Federal government sues states all the time. It was my understanding that this was the 1st time in history that this has occurred....

If you could give me an example of when/where this has happened in the past, I'd appreciate it. It should be easy, since "it happens all the time".

 

[Trampled Underfoot]

Not looking to "get into it".... I do enjoy intelligent debate though...

You say the Federal government sues states all the time. It was my understanding that this was the 1st time in history that this has occurred....

If you could give me an example of when/where this has happened in the past, I'd appreciate it. It should be easy, since "it happens all the time".

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...and thats from Fox News.

I'll search for specific cases later if needed. I thought it was common knowledge that the DOJ took these actions often. Of course not as big as this case but it happens.

 

[Trampled Underfoot]

Here is one that I just found on the DOJ site.

http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2010/January/10-crt-012.html

 

[Trampled Underfoot]

Here is another against Nevada. The previous one is from NJ.

http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2009/June/09-crt-592.html

 

[gardenweasel]

KC, it is nice hearing from you again.

I really don't believe race has anything to do with Obama's troubles. He is a very likeable guy - and he is as much white as he is black (50/50 if i remember right). It may matter to a few people, but I'd like to think the vast majority of people look past his race and judge him by his policies and agenda. Look at the polling when he was elected - his approval rating was very high - which it wouldn't have been if it was a racial issue. Since then, his approval rating has dropped faster and lower than any president in history - and that isn't because of his race, as his race has changed. It is his policies and agenda, whcih the majority of Americans soundly reject.

And that is what stinks. The procedures he used, and the lying he involked, to get the health care bill through was unprecidented. Just the cost estimate portion alone was unbelievable - and it has recently come out that Sebellius had the updated cost estimates from the CBO that showed that the bill would increase the deficit and spending but she suppressed the info "as to not influence the voting". The Dems knew that this was a bad bill. It didn't touch the cost drivers at all - Docs/Hospitals/Rx all got a pass. People will get less choice (you can't really keep your plan if you like it, as Obama lied about). People were soundly against the bill when it got snuck through in the middle of the night on Christmas Eve (that should say enough right there - Christmas Eve!), and public sentiment hasn't changed.

Then the AZ issue - where again Obama is trying to dictate to the people against their wishes. The takeover of the auto industry. The ballout of Wall Street. The refusal to regulate Fanny and Freddie Mac (the real instigators of the real estate meltdown).

Poll after poll shows that people still like Obama as a person, but do not like his socialistic policies. This is not about race - it is about Americans strong belief on the capitalism system on which we are founded, and their rejection of moving to a socialistic system.

I applaud the Reps who are standing up to Obama and his "changing" of America. It is the only tactic they could use to help us remain true to the founding fathers. Once the Repubs get the majoirty in the House (which they clearly have a chance this year), I think things will change drastically. For one thing, I'm sure Issa from CA will immediately begin an investigation into the Chicago style politics and intimidation that have gone on in the White House. The bribery that went on in the health care fiasco was at unprecidented levels. The offering jobs to not run in runoff races - isn't it the people to decide who they want to elect, not the WH to decide who they should elect? This issue will come back to bite Obama - especially if there was any sort of coverup on this (which I think there clearly was, based on some of the evidence that has come out). Remember, Nixon didn't get impeached because of what he did, he got impeached for the effort of covering up the crime.

We have a lot of damage to undo after the country removes Obama from office. But I'm confident that we have enough bright minds in this country that we'll be able to restore our original founders' ideals and prosper again!

But KC, to simply say this is a race issue is not only an insult to America, but it couldn't be farther than the truth. It is an agenda issue - and the people aren't buying.

mags..they don`t hear you....they don`t want to hear you....you give examples and explain your p.o.v.......but they aren`t interested in hearing what you`re saying....

if you don`t agree with obama,you`re a racist...period...that`s how their dna reads....

"you can`t wake a person who`s pretending to asleep"....so save your breath....

i`m counting the days till november so this government can be restored it`s intended balance.....with both parties sharing power...

but i`m extremely worried about the damage that a lame duck congress can do from late november until january....

hopefully we aren`t headed for a lost decade...:mj09: