Obama Admits Government Will Take Over Health Care

[Duff Miver]

Duff, I didn't say anything about the number of offices and hospitals that accept medicare. On that part we can agree on but it doesn't make it a good insurance becuase of the number that accept it. There are a number of specialties that have no other choice than to accept medicare otherwise they wouldn't have any patients.

What I did say was that offices and hospitals as well as patients not preferring Medicare of private insurance.

I might understand that you didn't comprehend what I said, although I try to select words carefully, but I don't understand that you don't comprehend your own words. These words -

I could go into others but I doubt you would listen because you already have your mind made up. If you want an actual breakdown of some numbers and it would help you, please let me know but don't come in here spewing bs and not expect to get called on it.

Speak up - just what bs have you called me on?

 

[Duff Miver]

Woodson, I was just getting ready to post those except I saw Medicare covered almost 40 not 44. Now, that's 1 private insurance company vs the only insurance for the elderly.

That's how many are insured. That says nothing about how many docs and hospitals accpet them. I'm willing to bet that more docs and hospitals accept Wellpoints BCBS and Aetna(depends on your location as to what Wellpoint uses) than accept medicare.

Still waiting for the numbers you offered to produce. Or are you just spewing BS?

 

[Woodson]

Woodson, I was just getting ready to post those except I saw Medicare covered almost 40 not 44. Now, that's 1 private insurance company vs the only insurance for the elderly.

That's how many are insured. That says nothing about how many docs and hospitals accpet them. I'm willing to bet that more docs and hospitals accept Wellpoints BCBS and Aetna(depends on your location as to what Wellpoint uses) than accept medicare.

Valid point.


I'll see what I can find regarding the numbers... probably will be debatable as to the source however so there's already a crack in any argument to the contrary... ... :tongue

Later fellas, conference call is over...

 

[Duff Miver]

I will admit to occasionally feeling like I have the worst of both worlds sometimes: Not poor enough to benefit from entitlement social programs, not rich enough to ignore the taxes and fees the government charges us.

I'll bet there isn't anyone on this board that doesn't sometimes feel that way. One objects to being taxed for schools he doesn't use, the next for a war he thinks is unnecessary.............

 

[Woodson]

Humana is coming up as the most widely ACCEPTED health care company in the nation... over and over and over again...

Is it correct? I have no idea... it's the internet... :shrug:

 

[layinwood]

Speak up - just what bs have you called me on?[/QUOTE]


I called your bs on this, you stated

What insurer is preferred by physicians and hospitals?

What insurer is preferred by patients?


I'll say that any physician in this country would prefer to see someone with BCBS than someone with Medicare. Also, that patiens would rather have BCBS than medicare.

This is the perfect example:
http://abcnews.go.com/m/screen?id=5326078&pid=26

Also, it would be close as to as to what insurance is accpeted by more physicians and hospitals. Most primary care physicians have cut back on medicare patiens and then you have physicians like Pediatricians that all together don't accept medicare because they have no patients. So just with Pediatricians you have 600k that don't accept medicare.(technicality, maybe so but still it answers the question)

 

[shawn555]

the man is on a power trip like no other and has to be stopped before it is too late

Hey you should put a bumper sticker on your car.

That will show em.

 

[Duff Miver]

I'll say that any physician in this country would prefer to see someone with BCBS than someone with Medicare. Also, that patiens would rather have BCBS than medicare.

Say what you like. Unless and until you provide the numbers you offered, I'm calling BS on you.

 

[ferdville]

In California Medicare is no where near the preferred system for anyone. The coverage is weak, which is most seniors have supplemental coverage at a nice cost. many doctors in California refuse to deal with medicare. Bottom line though if it is such a successful program, why will it be out of money in a few years? Because it doesn't take in enough money? OK, let's agree to that. So where is the "new" money going to come from? That's a no brainer - the only place it can come from - the taxpayer.

 

[Trampled Underfoot]

Hey you should put a bumper sticker on your car.

That will show em.

I have a game I play. Everytime I see a Bush/McCain/Palin bumper sticker I slow down to see who is driving. I always have to slow down. Do you know what I see? Its ALWAYS an old white person. ALWAYS. I saw two of them today. I think the next time I get one who will actually roll their window down, I will ask them if they heard that Obama is not even a citizen! That should be worth quite a few laughs.

 

[layinwood]

Duf, why do you think docs are opting out of medicare or not taking any new medicare patients? Is it because they prefer medicare over private insurance?

I'm in the business and so is my wife, I can tell you medicare sucks and I feel bad for the people that rely on it.

 

[Duff Miver]

Duf, why do you think docs are opting out of medicare or not taking any new medicare patients? Is it because they prefer medicare over private insurance?

I'm in the business and so is my wife, I can tell you medicare sucks and I feel bad for the people that rely on it.

I'll take that as an admission that you can't provide the numbers you said you could. BS on you.

Do some docs opt out of Medicare? Sure. And some opt out of BC/BS and every other program. So what?

If Medicare "sucks", then why does virtually every over-65 person use it?

If Medicare "sucks", then why do some folks keep working until they're eligible?

If Medicare "sucks", then why do old folks almost never use for-profit insurers as their primary?

Something on this thread sucks.

 

[layinwood]

I'll take that as an admission that you can't provide the numbers you said you could. BS on you.

Do some docs opt out of Medicare? Sure. And some opt out of BC/BS and every other program. So what?

If Medicare "sucks", then why does virtually every over-65 person use it? Because they've been paying for it their whole life.

If Medicare "sucks", then why do some folks keep working until they're eligible? Most people work until their 65 for a lot of reasons, the main one being they don't have enough money to last them thru retirement.

If Medicare "sucks", then why do old folks almost never use for-profit insurers as their primary?
Because they either can't get or can't afford private insurance.(not saying this is right, but it is a fact)

And if you're looking for numbers on what I said about medicare being the "peferred" insurance I'll start here and then will provide some more.

In a June 2008 report, the Medicare Payment Advisory Commission, an independent federal panel that advises Congress on Medicare, said that 29 percent of the Medicare beneficiaries it surveyed who were looking for a primary care doctor had a problem finding one to treat them, up from 24 percent the year before. And a 2008 survey by the Texas Medical Association found that while 58 percent of the state?s doctors took new Medicare patients, only 38 percent of primary care doctors did. (here's the full story in case you're interested http://aaucm.org/About/News/NewsDetail.aspx?a=966

I've never had one problem finding a doc to treat me with the insurance I have.

 

[Duff Miver]

I'll take that as an admission that you can't provide the numbers you said you could. BS on you.

Do some docs opt out of Medicare? Sure. And some opt out of BC/BS and every other program. So what?

If Medicare "sucks", then why does virtually every over-65 person use it? Because they've been paying for it their whole life.

If Medicare "sucks", then why do some folks keep working until they're eligible? Most people work until their 65 for a lot of reasons, the main one being they don't have enough money to last them thru retirement.

If Medicare "sucks", then why do old folks almost never use for-profit insurers as their primary?
Because they either can't get or can't afford private insurance.(not saying this is right, but it is a fact)

And if you're looking for numbers on what I said about medicare being the "peferred" insurance I'll start here and then will provide some more.

In a June 2008 report, the Medicare Payment Advisory Commission, an independent federal panel that advises Congress on Medicare, said that 29 percent of the Medicare beneficiaries it surveyed who were looking for a primary care doctor had a problem finding one to treat them, up from 24 percent the year before. And a 2008 survey by the Texas Medical Association found that while 58 percent of the state?s doctors took new Medicare patients, only 38 percent of primary care doctors did. (here's the full story in case you're interested http://aaucm.org/About/News/NewsDetail.aspx?a=966

I've never had one problem finding a doc to treat me with the insurance I have.

Mostly Medicare is limited to folks 65+. 29% say they have had some problem finding a doc. Without Medicare, how many would have a problem finding a doc? 90%...99%?

They paid for it? Nonsense. The money they paid in was spent long ago. It's being paid for by folks who are still working.

Still waiting for the numbers, Mr. BS.

 

[hedgehog]

I am not a Republican, but this point is of some interest to me. I am moderately opposed to government run health-care and several other social programs. But, money comes out of my paycheck every week for these programs.

I don't think I have ever "taken advantage" of a government program at the cost of other taxpayers.

So the question becomes, when my time comes, should I refuse social security? Should I refuse medicare? on philosophical grounds...

Tough call.

Anyway I am a pretty young guy, so the country will clearly go bankrupt years before I am of retiring age, so this is the least of my worries.

I am a conservative Republican and agree with you Fek on healthcare except I am 100% against, I will not turn down SS or medicare, as I have paid too much into the system

 

[hedgehog]

Hey you should put a bumper sticker on your car.

That will show em.

I ordered one:shrug:

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

the bitch on medicare is as any gov ran program--it is not run efficiently--what program has gov ever been successful at running--none

Haven't seen any conservatives or anyone else bitch about benefits of medicare or ssn--why because they pay into it and have earned it-


--unlike Muff's base the Free Loaders/illegals--food stamp-medicade--welfare- non productive elements of society.

--but what do we get from Gumby Crew--already 1/3 of money designated as stimulus has been allocated toward social programs and if anything is cut it will be ssn--just watch.

 

[ELVIS]

the bitch on medicare is as any gov ran program--it is not run efficiently--what program has gov ever been successful at running--none

Haven't seen any conservatives or anyone else bitch about benefits of medicare or ssn--why because they pay into it and have earned it-


--unlike Muff's base the Free Loaders/illegals--food stamp-medicade--welfare- non productive elements of society.

--but what do we get from Gumby Crew--already 1/3 of money designated as stimulus has been allocated toward social programs and if anything is cut it will be ssn--just watch.

DTB, the amnesty is next, imho.

 

[layinwood]

Elvis, did you ever get my email from Jack? What supplements are you wanting to know about? Actually I'm not even sure it was supps as I can't remember but ask away bud.

 

[Duff Miver]

the bitch on medicare is as any gov ran program--it is not run efficiently--what program has gov ever been successful at running--none

Hmmmmm. Good question: what program has gov ever been successful at runnning [sic] ---none.

Here yah go Dog, try these:

The military. Want to use mercenaries and pay them yourself?

The Post office. Yah, I know, blah, blah, blah. Okay, tear down your mailbox and call FedEx to pick up your mail and deliver it cross country for $.44.

The FDA protects the drugs you take. What do you want to do, believe Merck - "Trust us."?

The Interstate Eisenhower Defense Highway System. Okay, stay off it, drive across country on dirt roads.

The FAA. Don't like it? Okay, fly on nonregulated aircraft. Crash!!!

The USDA. Don't like it? Okay, eat uninspected pork and get trichinosis.

Your local fire department. Okay, don't pay taxes, put it out yourself.

Schools? Okay, home-school your kids. Maybe you can teach them microbiology.

It just gets worse, Doggy, but, hey, knock yourself out. Move to the wilds of Northern Maine, 100 miles from the nearest roads. Pay no taxes, support yourself and family on your own skills. See whether you can survive one winter.

The wolves will enjoy your carcass.