Obama: Spend, Spend, Blame and Blame (and soon: TAX TAX)

Terryray

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Pres. Obama always talks of having "inherited" a $1 trillion deficit. He campaigned against the free-spending ways of the last administration, promising a new era of responsibility.

How did he and his fellow Democrats in Congress respond once they took the reigns of power? But doubling down and immediately bloating the deficit to twice it's previous high.

I can understand folks making the argument that a significant economic/financial crisis requires a significant outlay of money to combat it. Tho I disagree with that, no economist or finance expert disagrees with the fact that the only responsible way to respond with "necessary" deficits in crisis years is to try and balance the budget once the economy is back on track in the good years.

Yet even the Obama Whitehouse is projecting large debts in the years after they say the economy will recover. And large as those projected debts, it's based on assuming the Obama Whitehouse's laughable strong growth projections come true, and their military spending will sharply decline due to less wars and nicer guys out there.

The independent Congressional Budget Office has put out a bit more realistic projections, charting the Obama debt vs GDP data, for the years when any responsible administration should be trying to balance the budget. It is very sobering:

debt-to-gdp-ChartH-TAbigailHaddad.jpg



These sort of facts Pres. Obama can't possibly defend, so he trashes his opponents: "I suspect that some of those Republican critics have a short memory, because as I recall I'm inheriting a $1.3 trillion deficit, annual deficit, from them." (I should note here that "annual deficit" Obama speaks of is the yearly gap between Federal Gov't spending out and taxes coming in. The "debt" is all the borrowing they have to do caused by all these past deficits).

And now Obama's Healthcare Bill will add $1 trillion to the budget over the next 10 years, sez the Congressional Budget Office (warning: PDF).

All this massive spending and debt, the greatest growth of government since that fine Texan Lyndon Johnson, will start to occur before many baby boomers retire (adding their vast off-balance-sheet liabilities in the Medicare and Social Security systems)

US debt was 41% of GDP in 1988, when Reagan left--the same as 2008 when Bush left. If those guys made mistakes, how does it make sense to bloat it all out to the 80% debt-to-GDP level projected when Obama leaves office after all his spending?

I can just envision the taxes coming! Bernanke has ruled out inflating the debt away, but Obama may replace him when his term expires.....

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update:

Obama being his slick self again. Like lotta clever folks, he's trying to talk his way around this (no action proposed yet) by now saying the right things. All which he knows is slurped up by his fawning press like lapdogs:

Obama frets on debt, sees U.S. unemployment rising

Reuters

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:50 PM



WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Barack Obama said on Tuesday that worrying about the U.S. government's finances "keeps me awake at night" and the country needed to start planning now to tackle soaring deficits.

In a pair of interviews on CNBC and Bloomberg television, Obama defended increasing government spending to prevent the recession from worsening, and warned the unemployment rate may hit 10 percent this year, a level not seen since 1983.

"There's no doubt that we've got a serious problem in terms of our long-term deficits and debt," he told CNBC. "I make no apologies for having acted short term to deal with our recession."

But he said once the recession ends, "we're going to have to close that gap between the amount of money coming in and the amount of money going out."

The Congressional Budget Office estimated on Tuesday that the federal deficit would hit $1.43 trillion in fiscal 2010 under Obama's budget plan, slightly higher than it had previously forecast.

Obama said unless the United States can contain its long-term debt and deficits, foreign investors may shun U.S. assets, driving up borrowing costs for the government as well as households and businesses.

"I am concerned about the long-term issue of our structural deficit and our long-term debt because if we don't get a handle on that then there's no doubt that at some point whether it's the Chinese, the Koreans, the Japanese, whoever else has been snatching up Treasuries are going to decide that this is too much of a risk," he told Bloomberg.
 

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Pres. Obama always talks of having "inherited" a $1 trillion deficit. He campaigned against the free-spending ways of the last administration, promising a new era of responsibility.

How did he and his fellow Democrats in Congress respond once they took the reigns of power? But doubling down and immediately bloating the deficit to twice it's previous high.

I can understand folks making the argument that a significant economic/financial crisis requires a significant outlay of money to combat it. Tho I disagree with that, no economist or finance expert disagrees with the fact that the only responsible way to respond with "necessary" deficits in crisis years is to try and balance the budget once the economy is back on track in the good years.

Yet even the Obama Whitehouse is projecting large debts in the years after they say the economy will recover. And large as those projected debts, it's based on assuming the Obama Whitehouse's laughable strong growth projections come true, and their military spending will sharply decline due to less wars and nicer guys out there.

The independent Congressional Budget Office has put out a bit more realistic projections, charting the Obama debt vs GDP data, for the years when any responsible administration should be trying to balance the budget. It is very sobering:

debt-to-gdp-ChartH-TAbigailHaddad.jpg



These sort of facts Pres. Obama can't possibly defend, so he trashes his opponents: "I suspect that some of those Republican critics have a short memory, because as I recall I'm inheriting a $1.3 trillion deficit, annual deficit, from them." (I should note here that "annual deficit" Obama speaks of is the yearly gap between Federal Gov't spending out and taxes coming in. The "debt" is all the borrowing they have to do caused by all these past deficits).

And now Obama's Healthcare Bill will add $1 trillion to the budget over the next 10 years, sez the Congressional Budget Office (warning: PDF).

All this massive spending and debt, the greatest growth of government since that fine Texan Lyndon Johnson, will start to occur before many baby boomers retire (adding their vast off-balance-sheet liabilities in the Medicare and Social Security systems)

US debt was 41% of GDP in 1988, when Reagan left--the same as 2008 when Bush left. If those guys made mistakes, how does it make sense to bloat it all out to the 80% debt-to-GDP level projected when Obama leaves office after all his spending?

I can just envision the taxes coming! Bernanke has ruled out inflating the debt away, but Obama may replace him when his term expires.....

taxesImage8.jpg


........................

update:

Obama being his slick self again. Like lotta clever folks, he's trying to talk his way around this (no action proposed yet) by now saying the right things. All which he knows is slurped up by his fawning press like lapdogs:

Obama frets on debt, sees U.S. unemployment rising

Reuters

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:50 PM



WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Barack Obama said on Tuesday that worrying about the U.S. government's finances "keeps me awake at night" and the country needed to start planning now to tackle soaring deficits.

In a pair of interviews on CNBC and Bloomberg television, Obama defended increasing government spending to prevent the recession from worsening, and warned the unemployment rate may hit 10 percent this year, a level not seen since 1983.

"There's no doubt that we've got a serious problem in terms of our long-term deficits and debt," he told CNBC. "I make no apologies for having acted short term to deal with our recession."

But he said once the recession ends, "we're going to have to close that gap between the amount of money coming in and the amount of money going out."

The Congressional Budget Office estimated on Tuesday that the federal deficit would hit $1.43 trillion in fiscal 2010 under Obama's budget plan, slightly higher than it had previously forecast.

Obama said unless the United States can contain its long-term debt and deficits, foreign investors may shun U.S. assets, driving up borrowing costs for the government as well as households and businesses.

"I am concerned about the long-term issue of our structural deficit and our long-term debt because if we don't get a handle on that then there's no doubt that at some point whether it's the Chinese, the Koreans, the Japanese, whoever else has been snatching up Treasuries are going to decide that this is too much of a risk," he told Bloomberg.

You must admit Terry that most of Obama's debt is to try to dig our way out of the mess he was left. You can argue I suppose, that he is not making the right moves but there is no argument that he was left a mess.

Tough to balance a budget with so much unemployment and the snowball effect it has.
 

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You must admit Terry that most of Obama's debt is to try to dig our way out of the mess he was left. You can argue I suppose, that he is not making the right moves but there is no argument that he was left a mess.

Tough to balance a budget with so much unemployment and the snowball effect it has.

Yes he has inherited a bad economy. But all he wants to do is spend and grow the government and make it more intrusive than ever before. The only way you can do that is TAX or grow the deficit. You will get taxed and big time. We all will have a fun time trying to pay for it. The ones that work that is.
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Yes he has inherited a bad economy. But all he wants to do is spend and grow the government and make it more intrusive than ever before. The only way you can do that is TAX or grow the deficit. You will get taxed and big time. We all will have a fun time trying to pay for it. The ones that work that is.
:padlock:
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:mj10:

I do not like all the moves. Especially the bailouts. What are you against that he has done?
 

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Stevie Maybe you could could explain what he has dione on his "rush" on stimulus since he hasn't spent 10% yet--so far we got schips--(free insurnce to those 400% over poverty)--foodstamp increase--medicade increase--now working on socialized healthcare--soon to be followed by carbon taxing--

Maybe you (or anyone else) could inform the tax payors how these will stimulate the economy---rather than have extreme adverse effect and extreme compounding of deficits.
 

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Stevie Maybe you could could explain what he has dione on his "rush" on stimulus since he hasn't spent 10% yet--so far we got schips--(free insurnce to those 400% over poverty)--foodstamp increase--medicade increase--now working on socialized healthcare--soon to be followed by carbon taxing--

Maybe you (or anyone else) could inform the tax payors how these will stimulate the economy---rather than have extreme adverse effect and extreme compounding of deficits.

Maybe u can enlighten us all on why after eight years of a tremendous built up of debt u all the sudden care about these issues? Or u can just simply be a hypocrite like u have been the last 6 months and not answer the question.
 

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Obama is a LIAR, can't wait til he's done SCREWING everyone over.

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Bush and Cheney lied to u on a daily basis. Now if u will admit this i will say that u may be on to something. If u are just saying this because u are an imbecile and didn't know Bush and Cheney lied to u on a daily basis, then im not to sure i can help ya.
 

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Stevie Maybe you could could explain what he has dione on his "rush" on stimulus since he hasn't spent 10% yet--so far we got schips--(free insurnce to those 400% over poverty)--foodstamp increase--medicade increase--now working on socialized healthcare--soon to be followed by carbon taxing--

Maybe you (or anyone else) could inform the tax payors how these will stimulate the economy---rather than have extreme adverse effect and extreme compounding of deficits.

I already said what I don't like. The question is what would you to to get out of the mess that Bush left?
 

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I already said what I don't like. The question is what would you to to get out of the mess that Bush left?

The plan was to have Bush completely fuck everything up to the point where no matter what the new guy did it was going to be an incredible struggle.

Than sit back and bitch about the new guy trying things to turn this train wreck around.

Bush started the bailout shit.

The facts that all the repubs all of a sudden found their fiscal responsibility after the last eight years of reckless spending and debt is comical.
 

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The facts that all the repubs all of a sudden found their fiscal responsibility after the last eight years of reckless spending and debt is comical.

i don't even know how then can even comment on this issue. It is insanity at its highest levels. Where the heck have they all been hiding the last eight years?:shrug:

Maybe it is because he is one of those dark fellas they don't like so much.
 

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I can understand folks making the argument that a significant economic/financial crisis requires a significant outlay of money to combat it. Tho I disagree with that...
Perhaps you could share with us what your plan would have been to keep an economic crisis and recession from spiraling into a full-blown depression. That is... once you'd written a $700 billion check to Hank Paulson to distribute to his Wall Street cronies, of course.
 
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