Lets start with your 1st answer--they were married on Feb. 2, 1961 according to their divorce papers
Hmm Thought that what marriage certificates were for--why would you refer to divorce papers?
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Lets start with your 1st answer--they were married on Feb. 2, 1961 according to their divorce papers
Hmm Thought that what marriage certificates were for--why would you refer to divorce papers?
1 From Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain#Formative_years_and_education
Following in the footsteps of his father and grandfather, McCain entered the United States Naval Academy at Annapolis. There, he was a friend and leader for many of his classmates,[10] and sometimes stood up for people who were being bullied.[5] He also became a lightweight boxer.[5][11] McCain had conflicts with higher-ups, and he was disinclined to obey every rule, which contributed to a low class rank (894 of 899) that he did not aim to improve.[10][12][13][14] McCain did well in academic subjects that interested him, such as literature and history, but studied only enough to pass subjects he disliked, such as math.[5] McCain graduated in 1958.[10]
#2 also from wikipedia
Although McCain was badly wounded, his captors refused to treat his injuries, instead beating and interrogating him to get information.[36] Only when the North Vietnamese discovered that his father was a top admiral did they give him medical care.[36] His status as a prisoner of war (POW) made the front pages of The New York Times[37] and The Washington Post.[38]
McCain spent six weeks in the hospital while receiving marginal care.[33] Now having lost 50 pounds (23 kg), in a chest cast, and with his hair turned white,[33] McCain was sent to a different camp on the outskirts of Hanoi[39] in December 1967, into a cell with two other Americans who did not expect him to live a week.[40] In March 1968, McCain was put into solitary confinement, where he would remain for two years.[41]
In mid-1968, McCain's father was named commander of all U.S. forces in the Vietnam theater, and McCain was offered early release.[42] The North Vietnamese wanted to appear merciful for propaganda purposes,[43] and also wanted to show other POWs that elites like McCain were willing to be treated preferentially.[42] McCain turned down the offer of repatriation; he would only accept the offer if every man taken in before him was released as well.[33]
In August of 1968, a program of severe torture began on McCain.[44] McCain was subjected to repeated beatings and rope bindings, at the same time as he was suffering from dysentery.[44] After four days, McCain made an anti-American propaganda "confession".[33] He has always felt that his statement was dishonorable,[45] but as he would later write, "I had learned what we all learned over there: Every man has his breaking point. I had reached mine."[46] His injuries left him permanently incapable of raising his arms above his head.[47] He subsequently received two to three beatings per week because of his continued refusal to sign additional statements.[48] Other American POWs were similarly tortured and maltreated in order to extract "confessions" and propaganda statements, with many enduring even worse treatment than McCain.[49]
Might note diff between Kerry and McCain here-
One refused to come home despite being tortured unless his fellow comrades came to
the other got out of dodge in 3 months via splinter- bruise-and friendly shrapnel in his ass.
One made statements under extreme torture the other voluntarily after getting home.
#3 you'll have to fill us in with along with your source.
#4 I believe that would be William Henry Harrison
68 years 23 days
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Presidents_by_age
--and while on topic of age how many were younger than obama-how many had less experience?
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Friends did not learn of the wedding until afterward. "Nobody was invited," says Abercrombie. The motivations behind the marriage remain a mystery, even to Obama. "I never probed my mother about the details. Did they decide to get married because she was already pregnant? Or did he propose to her in the traditional, formal way?" Obama wonders. "I suppose, had she not passed away, I would have asked more."
Even by the standards of 1961, she was young to be married. At 18, she dropped out of college after one semester, according to University of Hawaii records. When her friends back in Washington heard the news, "we were very shocked," says Box, her high school friend.
Then, when Obama was almost 1, his father left for Harvard to get a Ph.D. in economics. He had also been accepted to the New School in New York City, with a more generous scholarship that would have allowed his family to join him. But he decided to go to Harvard. "How can I refuse the best education?" he told Ann, according to Obama's book.
Obama's father had an agenda: to return to his home country and help reinvent Kenya. He wanted to take his new family with him. But he also had a wife from a previous marriage there?a marriage that may or may not have been legal. In the end, Ann decided not to follow him. "She was under no illusions," says Abercrombie. "He was a man of his time, from a very patriarchal society." Ann filed for divorce in Honolulu in January 1964, citing "grievous mental suffering"?the reason given in most divorces at the time. Obama Sr. signed for the papers in Cambridge, Mass., and did not contest the divorce.
Ann had already done things most women of her generation had not: she had married an African, had their baby and gotten divorced. At this juncture, her life could have become narrower?a young, marginalized woman focused on paying the rent and raising a child on her own. She could have filled her son's head with well-founded resentment for his absent father. But that is not what happened.
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Dogs
Lets face it, interracial marriage was not something accepted very well back in 1961. Even if you loved the person, it was going to be a hard life of acceptance in the mainstream of society back then.
Are you keying into his mother was pregnant before marriage? That't pretty low Dogs.
One thing I have learned is that Obama's parents are two very intelligent human beings.
Are you going to answer my questions on John McCain so this won't look like a one way conversation with no facts on your candidate ?
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1 From Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Mc..._and_education
low class rank (894 of 899) that he did not aim to improve.[10][12][13][14] McCain did well in academic subjects that interested him, such as literature and history, but studied only enough to pass subjects he disliked, such as math.[5] McCain graduated in 1958.[10]
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894
There were only five students that were dumber than McCain out of 899 ? We are not dealing with a rocket scientist here.
Maybe this is why he stumbles with interviews so much ?:SIB :SIB
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Mc..._and_education
low class rank (894 of 899) that he did not aim to improve.[10][12][13][14] McCain did well in academic subjects that interested him, such as literature and history, but studied only enough to pass subjects he disliked, such as math.[5] McCain graduated in 1958.[10]
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894
There were only five students that were dumber than McCain out of 899 ? We are not dealing with a rocket scientist here.
Maybe this is why he stumbles with interviews so much ?:SIB :SIB
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WRONG !
It was Ronald Reagan who was 69 at the time he took the oath of office.
The scary part about this, is that in Reagans last years in office , Nancy was whispering in his ear about how to eat his toast. Reagan's health was a serious issue covered up by the white house and his closest aides.
And here we have McCain, coming in at 72 with the prospect of 76 years of age.
Its scary.
Dogs - I am beginning to worry about how you produce your facts. If you cannot get this right what else do you post as facts that are way off base ?:shrug: :SIB
Bless your heart for trying though Dogs.
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So the answer is yes.
What did the confession say ?:0corn
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You can't answer this one ?
Geez Louise.
Here is a hint
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RAYMOND
jump in any time.
I think DTB shot his load early and has given up with answering factually.
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Ouch! 894 I wonder if they looked other way just toget him out of there. Maybe he was really faling.
Name Rank and Serial # thats all you have to give and are told to give. He has got things in his book mixed up with differant story now. So where does truth/lies start with this guy. He flips so much he confussed him self.
Name Rank and Serial # thats all you have to give and are told to give. He has got things in his book mixed up with differant story now. So where does truth/lies start with this guy. He flips so much he confussed him self.
I was inquiring about marriage certificate because-seems no one has one or record of it.
--could you give us a little example of this inteligence--exactly what did either achieve excepting propagation then abandoning them--
You don't have to be intelligent to attend school-but collecting welfare at same time was somewhat resouceful
I must assume you you are are speaking of this episode--from factcheck--
The "Black Baby" smear
Scurrilous smears like those contained in these two e-mails can have a damaging effect. Before the South Carolina primary in 2000, for example, phone calls were made to voters in which the callers claimed to be taking a poll, asking: "Would you be more likely or less likely to vote for John McCain for president if you knew he had fathered an illegitimate black child?" McCain had done no such thing. He and his wife had adopted their daughter Bridget, who has dark skin, as a baby from Mother Theresa's orphanage in Bangladesh. A professor at Bob Jones University also had sent an e-mail message telling South Carolinians that McCain had ?chosen to sire children without marriage,? which wasn't true. McCain lost the 2000 primary, and the Republican nomination, to George W. Bush.
--but to answer your question --would it bother me "if" he fathered a black daughter.
Wouldn't bother me who he fathered as long he took responsibilty for the child --which goes toward character and values--
What bothers me is those that show 0 responsiblity/character and discard a child like a pair of shoes--even animals take care of their young.
You better stick to the hope and change rhetoric--
for your candidate.
When it comes to character-experience and qualifications--your on a dead end street.
to be honest scott , raymond does not like nither
one mccain or obama , i trust mcain more than obama . plus mccain been around alot longer!
obama is just to young , older is better. we do face alot of dangers , if the congress don't work to together nothing will get done!
this country is going to the dogs went they the courts take GOD OUT OF THE PLEDGE, AND FORCE TO TAKE THE TEN COMMENT OUT THE COURT HOUSE , HOLLYWOOD HAS DESTROY
OUR YOUNG KIDS WITH ALL THIS MOVIE BULL SHIT AND M TV. KILLING THE YOUNG OF A AMERICAN
VERY SORRY MY SPELLING IS SO BAD,
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I am in the same boat. It was Hillary that I was so against being President. That would have taken me over the edge.
I wish there was another candidate but between the two, I am more afraid of what McCains continued Bush like policies will do to our country.
Just have to see what happens. As far as the spelling chiefs we got around here, they can kiss my ass and call me Tilly. I won a sixth grade spelling B one time, and some of these dorks knock my spelling. :shrug:
I have never had a problem understanding something you have posted, and that's all that
fawking matters.
GOD BLESS AMERICA !
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Well at least you accept the fact that both
candidates have black daughters.
That's a start.....:SIB
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Reagan met John McCain when he just entered the Senate. Here they are pictured when McCain asked Ronnie if he could ever see him as Presidential material someday
