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gardenweasel

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It's refreshing to have someone in office who can admit failures - we haven't seen that in a long time.

The was no shortage of drilling permits onshore handed out the last 9 years. THE FACT is that the "easily accesible" areas in this country have been essentially tapped out for a long time. None of our oil is easy anymore.

permits for shitty areas...

not so...all the primo drilling contracts are being stonewalled by the dems/environmentalists and litigation from the left....
 

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no...you`re right...not when something goes wrong a mile underwater and the temperature makes antarctica seem like pismo beach....

i have the utmost sympathy for the gulf coast...this is last area that needed trouble on the heels of katrina....

b.p. may well be done...finis...many of those lives will also be affected....

a lose/lose situation...

DID YOU WATCH THE VIDEO......THEY HAVE AND ARE TRYING METHODS ON THIS OIL SPILL IN 5000 FEET OF WATER THAT THEY TRIED ON THE ITTOX IN 197FUCKING9 IN 200 FEET OF WATER(THAT DIDN'T WORK).......SORRY GUYS FOR VENTING, BUT I JUST CAN'T WRAP MY BRAIN AROUND THIS SHIT:sadwave:
 

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no...you`re right...not when something goes wrong a mile underwater and the temperature makes antarctica seem like pismo beach....

i have the utmost sympathy for the gulf coast...this is last area that needed trouble on the heels of katrina....

b.p. may well be done...finis...many of those lives will also be affected....

a lose/lose situation...


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I was suprised to hear that we have turned down over 18 countries that offered to send in help, especially the OIL SKIMMERS they said that handled a similar problem in the Saudi waters.



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When State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley refused to tell reporters which countries have offered assistance to help respond to the BP oil spill, the State Department press corps was flabbergasted.

"As a policy matter, we're not going to identify those offers of assistance until we are able to see, you know, what we need, assess the ongoing situation. And as we accept those offers of assistance, we will inform you," Crowley said.

Reporters pointed out that the Bush administration identified assistance offers after the Katrina disaster, so what is this, a new policy? They pressed Crowley, but he refused to budge.

Then they mentioned Iran's offer of assistance, through its National Iranian Drilling Company. Crowley said there was no Iranian offer of assistance, at least in any official capacity. The reporters kept on it, asking why it was taking so long to figure out what was needed in the first place? That's the Coast Guard's decision, Crowley explained.

Late Wednesday evening, the State Department emailed reporters identifying the 13 entities that had offered the U.S. oil spill assistance. They were the governments of Canada, Croatia, France, Germany, Ireland, Mexico, the Netherlands, Norway, Romania, Republic of Korea, Spain, Sweden, the United Kingdom, and the United Nations.

"These offers include experts in various aspects of oil spill impacts, research and technical expertise, booms, chemical oil dispersants, oil pumps, skimmers, and wildlife treatment," the email read.

"While there is no need right now that the U.S. cannot meet, the U.S. Coast Guard is assessing these offers of assistance to see if there will be something which we will need in the near future."

The Obama administration has been relentless in its messaging that it is doing everything possible to aggressively respond to the oil spill. But for the record, the current message to foreign governments is: Thanks but no thanks, we've got it covered.

A State Department official, speaking on background, said that the decision not to initially release the names of offering countries came directly from the State Department leadership.
 
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do yourselves a favor,gents...read up on bill clinton vetoing the bill that would have allowed us to drill for oil in anwar back in 1995...his reason was that it would take 10 years for us to garner any benefit...

well,here it is in 2010...and he`s right...we`re seeing no benefit...

also read up on the "bakken formation" that covers parts of north dakota/south dakota and montana...thers stuff on snopes trying to piss on the facts,but it`s real and it`s recoverable..and it`s ours...

that along with anwar and the oil shale that is recoverable would help tremenously until someone finds the magic bullet that renders oil obsolete...wuld make us a little less dependent on foreign crude...

and maybe build a few nuclear plants...when was the last time we built a nuclear plant...europe`s power grids run off them....

i personally don`t give a damn about oil...if there was a viable,more environmentally friendly alternative,i`d be down with it...

until that day?...

btw...now that drilling has been suspended all over the country,watch the price of gas this summer...it ain`t gonna be pretty...
 

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anyhoo...why are we wasting time here when we have a potential h.o.f. thread("stiffs") right next door(featuring the resurrection of agent )?....

that ar1 is such a shit stirrer.... :grins:
 

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obama could have stepped in and changed that...he`s been in for what,18 months?....

he admitted so at the press conference today...

if you`re worried about the environment...and live in the real world..allow the oil company to drill in easily accessible areas and these catastrophes will be averted in the future....

until there is an alternative,oil is our life`s blood...that`s a fact...

Couldn't u collect up all ur shilling and bullshit for oil companies thru the years, and take all that bullshit and try to offer it up to plug up that hole? So much schilling and bullshit u offer it has to be enough to plug that thing up. :shrug:
 

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3 to 4.3 Billion Barrels of Technically Recoverable Oil Assessed in North Dakota and Montana?s Bakken Formation?25 Times More Than 1995 Estimate?
Released: 4/10/2008 2:25:36 PM

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Reston, VA - North Dakota and Montana have an estimated 3.0 to 4.3 billion barrels of undiscovered, technically recoverable oil in an area known as the Bakken Formation.
A U.S. Geological Survey assessment, released April 10, shows a 25-fold increase in the amount of oil that can be recovered compared to the agency's 1995 estimate of 151 million barrels of oil.

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Technically recoverable oil resources are those producible using currently available technology and industry practices. USGS is the only provider of publicly available estimates of undiscovered technically recoverable oil and gas resources.

New geologic models applied to the Bakken Formation, advances in drilling and production technologies, and recent oil discoveries have resulted in these substantially larger technically recoverable oil volumes. About 105 million barrels of oil were produced from the Bakken Formation by the end of 2007.

The USGS Bakken study was undertaken as part of a nationwide project assessing domestic petroleum basins using standardized methodology and protocol as required by the Energy Policy and Conservation Act of 2000.

The Bakken Formation estimate is larger than all other current USGS oil assessments of the lower 48 states and is the largest "continuous" oil accumulation ever assessed by the USGS. A "continuous" oil accumulation means that the oil resource is dispersed throughout a geologic formation rather than existing as discrete, localized occurrences. The next largest "continuous" oil accumulation in the U.S. is in the Austin Chalk of Texas and Louisiana, with an undiscovered estimate of 1.0 billions of barrels of technically recoverable oil.

"It is clear that the Bakken formation contains a significant amount of oil - the question is how much of that oil is recoverable using today's technology?" said Senator Byron Dorgan, of North Dakota. "To get an answer to this important question, I requested that the U.S. Geological Survey complete this study, which will provide an up-to-date estimate on the amount of technically recoverable oil resources in the Bakken Shale formation."

The USGS estimate of 3.0 to 4.3 billion barrels of technically recoverable oil has a mean value of 3.65 billion barrels. Scientists conducted detailed studies in stratigraphy and structural geology and the modeling of petroleum geochemistry. They also combined their findings with historical exploration and production analyses to determine the undiscovered, technically recoverable oil estimates.

USGS worked with the North Dakota Geological Survey, a number of petroleum industry companies and independents, universities and other experts to develop a geological understanding of the Bakken Formation. These groups provided critical information and feedback on geological and engineering concepts important to building the geologic and production models used in the assessment.

Five continuous assessment units (AU) were identified and assessed in the Bakken Formation of North Dakota and Montana - the Elm Coulee-Billings Nose AU, the Central Basin-Poplar Dome AU, the Nesson-Little Knife Structural AU, the Eastern Expulsion Threshold AU, and the Northwest Expulsion Threshold AU.

At the time of the assessment, a limited number of wells have produced oil from three of the assessments units in Central Basin-Poplar Dome, Eastern Expulsion Threshold, and Northwest Expulsion Threshold.
The Elm Coulee oil field in Montana, discovered in 2000, has produced about 65 million barrels of the 105 million barrels of oil recovered from the Bakken Formation.

Results of the assessment can be found at http://energy.usgs.gov.
 

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anyhoo...why are we wasting time here when we have a potential h.o.f. thread("stiffs") right next door(featuring the resurrection of agent )?....

that ar1 is such a shit stirrer.... :grins:

Agreed. That fugger has already surpassed the 'kids getting busted for wearing American flag shirts on Cinco de Mayo' thread.
 

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Couldn't u collect up all ur shilling and bullshit for oil companies thru the years, and take all that bullshit and try to offer it up to plug up that hole? So much schilling and bullshit u offer it has to be enough to plug that thing up. :shrug:

you calling my facts "bullshit" is akin to marv albert calling someone a pervert...
 

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Just another lesson on what we should have been doing last 30 years. Learn to get free of oil.
 

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Two survivors of the Deepwater Horizon well explosion and the father one of the eleven men killed implored a congressional committee Thursday not to protect oil companies, including BP, Transocean or Halliburton, from liability damages related to offshore drilling accidents.

Congress is considering several measures to increase the current cap on oil companies' liability from $75 million to $10 billion or even eliminate caps altogether.

"No amount of money will ever compensate us for Gordon's loss, but payment of damages by wrongdoers is the only way we have to make things right," said Keith Jones, the father Gordon Jones, a 28-year-old mud engineer for BP, who was killed in the April 20th rig explosion.

Jones fought through tears as he showed members of the House Judiciary Committee pictures of his son, and his son's two children, including a baby who was born weeks after his father died.

"Make them hurt where their heart would be, if they had a heart." Jones said of the companies involved in operating the rig.

Douglas Brown, the chief mechanic of the Deepwater Horizon well for Transocean, gave the congressmen his harrowing account of the night of the explosion, when he heard a hissing noise and gas alarms, followed by two explosions so strong they blew him off of his feet. He called the scene that followed "chaos and mayhem."

"I was terrified," he testified. "I feared I was going to die."

Brown also described the process over several years when his Transocean bosses cut the staff in the engine room from six men to three. "We complained that we needed more help," Brown said.
Since the explosion, Brown testified that he walks with a cane and suffers from short-term memory loss and nightmares.

Another survivor of the accident, Stephen Stone, told the committee a similar story of the events of April 20th and about serious problems on the rig leading up to the explosion.

"It was hardly the first thing to go wrong," said Stone, a roustabout for Transocean on the rig. " We had to stop pumping four times in 20 days because of pumping problems," said Stone.

Stone also told the committee about that night, of hearing two explosions and running through the bowels of the rig to the lifeboats, and fearing for his life when his boat failed to descend into the ocean for several minutes.

"I was pretty certain I was going to die, so I waited there for something to happen."

Stone then described the next 28 hours, when Transocean prevented him from calling his wife to tell he he had survived the blast until he had submitted to mandatory drug testing and filed a written report about the incident. Transocean also later asked him to sign a form releasing the company of any liability for his injuries. He said he was treated "like a criminal."
"When these companies put their savings over our safety, they are gambling with our lives," he said. "You cannot allow BP and Transocean to conduct business this way."

The men's vivid testimony only heightened the emotion of the assembled members of Congress, several of whom called for lifting the existing liability caps for oil companies involved in a spill.

"$75 million is a joke," said Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee, a former oil and gas attorney, whose Houston district is in what she called "oil country."

"The message to these companies is: If you're going to play, you have got to pay," Lee said.
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