OK Nuke Iraq ?

[djv]

Now our VP who seems to be running the war effort maybe the country to who really knows. We might Nuke Iraq. N Korea sends Scud missles to Yemen or maybe Sundan. We say lets use all diplomatic means possiable to resolve this. N Korea has no oil.
Saudis pay for 9/11 and there country men do the deed. What we do about it. Nothing Saudi has oil. Our gang at the white house are starting to lose there minds. These folks are so hung up on Iraq the rest of the countries needs are sarting to go to hell. All be cause Bush Senior did'nt finish the job.

 

[msdee]

:Yep: :Yep:
You are so right. Our president is doing his father's wishes. He has a one track mind these days. War is a sure thing it seems.

 

[bjfinste]

This worthless piece of shit that is our president needs to be replaced. Seriously, how can anyone support this guy when he seems hellbent on destroying the world?? Nuclear war?? Yeah, great idea, let's nuke Iraq. I'm sure that al-queda wouldn't respond with a nuclear strike of it's own on America. No one wins nuclear war.

 

[ssiproop]

I believe if al-queda had nuclear weapons they would've used them already. They didn't take down the towers with there own weapons they had to use someone else's resources to do that.
Every now and then you need to flex a little muscle to show that you will not put up with people's/countries' crap. Right now the USA looks extremly spineless. They keep giving Iraq extensions.
From past experience (WWII), a couple of good sized bombs might send a wake up call (or maybe goodnight call). Look at when we Hiroshima'd Japan. They didn't want to give up, then we Nagasaki'd them and that put an end to it.
I'm not saying Nuclear War would be the best resolution, but I do feel that some type of force should be done.
As far as Baghdad, I don't believe that will be the most ideal target to strike.
I am actually getting tired of all this drama. It's starting to be a b*tch fight.
I think many people are dwelling too much on the son is going to finish papa's fight. I don't feel this view point is valid. This country is not made up of 2 people.
If you really want controversy, we need to pose the question, how did North Korea get Nuclear Technology? Seems an easier answer to find out. The geisha girl sucked it out of silly billy.


Just my opinion. With my opinion and 5 bucks you can get coffee at Starbucks.

 

[Billy]

The idea of nukeing Iraq is totaling absurd.......the idea of our
President suggesting it is equally absurd......talk about a country
sending as the Native Indians used to say,"Forked Tounge"......
my God, where are we heading.......We've been spending
decades trying to disarm ALL countries with nuclear cappabilities,
and NOW out of nowhere we off the cuff just blurt out, WE'LL
NUKE YOU.........This is not a Coors commercial our leaders are
sending to the rest of the world.....there is nothing cool about
spitting out WE'RE GONNA NUKE YOU IF YOU DON'T PLAY FAIR....
I can't believe the direction our leader just took......I can assure
you whatever credibility we had with the rest of the world.......
it just went down the shiter.........

 

[hellah10]

the idea of nuclear weapons is stupid....and if you agree with nuking another country - your equally stupid. If the US Nukes....then so will the other country....I dont know about you - but I dont want to be dust in the wind

 

[S-Love]

I guess it's better to risk thousands of Americans' soldiers' lives rather than a strategic nuclear strike...

 

[hellah10]

I guess it's better to risk thousands of Americans' soldiers' lives rather than a strategic nuclear strike...

HA! Yeaaaaaaaaa right. I have a few friends that are in Benning right now and have been infantry for the last 4.5 years and they are yet to see action. They keep saying that the days of using foot soldiers are done....if your a pilot - you`ll see action

 

[S-Love]

I guess you never saw Black Hawk Down, nor realize what the goals of a new war with Iraq would be and how they are to be achieved.

 

[hellah10]

who cares about Black Hawk Down....your now talking about a squad where I was talking about a whole Battalion....

you can TRUST me on this...they will not send ground soldiers. If thats the case, then I`ll be sent to Iraq....and they alwaysssss send the non-activy duty people first.

1) there will be no Nuclear War or anything Nuclear involved
2) ground troops will not be used....unless its special forces

 

[SmashMouth]

Better idea let's finish getting the terrorists who attacked us...
Instead of Bush's celebrity death match with saddam.

 

[S-Love]

OK I trust you :bsflag

 

[SmashMouth]

Trust me?

 

[hellah10]

yea I guess its ok to give billions and billions and billions of dollars to Isreal and neglect whats going on here. Geee I feel safe walking the streets of Atlanta or Detroit

God forbid they should ever look-out for the US Citizens

 

[hellah10]

OK I trust you :bsflag

You keep watching Black Hawk Down and CNN - then you`ll never know whats going on :lol: open your eyes man lol

 

[AR182]

I agree with Hellah10 that Bush has no intention to use nukes. In the gulf war Baker(sect'y of state) informed the Iraqi gov't that the US will retaliate with nukes if Saddam used nukes to attack the American soldiers or Israel.The American gov't felt that Saddam was intimidated by this threat that he didn't use any WMD.So this Pres. Bush stating that the US will use nukes is just a repeat of this effective threat.
The enemies of the US only understand mite, not words.

Bush has authorized $92 million to provide military training & facilities to Iraq opposition groups. I heard also that the CIA is presently in Iraq working on ways to overthrow Saddam. In the event that there is an all out war, anyone who thinks that America will lose thousands of soldiers is mistaken. The US military is 10x more effective than they were in 1991 & Iraq is about 10x weaker than in 1991.I remember in the Gulf War,Iraqi soldiers surrendering to Italian news reporters. Once the fighting starts Saddam will be by himself. A rumor that I heard is that Saddam has paid Libya $millions to take him,his family, & his top aides. If Saddam is taken alive he must be tried as a war criminal. Once Iraq is overtaken, Iran will fall also. There has been rumblings by the Iranian people that they are not happy.
IMO once this war starts you will see countries lining up to be our allies in this war.As soon as other countries see Saddam go quickly, our credibility will be very high & more important our enemies will see that we will not back down.

To compare this situation with the fighting in the Black Hawk Down,IMO is a mistake. Clinton's people vetoed any kind of support for those soldiers. Bush won't make that same mistake. BTW thousands of the enemy died in that battle while about 19 US soldiers lost there lives.

It is amazing how many people are constantly under estimating Bush.I made the same mistake(I voted for Gore).But according to Bob Woodword(sp?), who just wrote a book on Bush after 9/11 seems to think that Bush has a firm hand as a president & that Bush has put Cheney in his place a few times.IMO he seems to be doing a very good job on this war on terrorism. This war must be fought in other countries, & not wait for a terrorism attack in the US. I think history will show that Bush & the leader of Great Britain( his name escapes at this time) were correct in their handling of this war.

 

[djv]

AR182 I can go along with many of your thoughts. But our dealing with terrorism is been just so/so. We keep blaming Iraq for so many things that just dont seem to happen. The Saudis who payed for 9/11 and it was there men that did the crime. Well we do a little lip service there and then seem to shut up. Again it seems simple. Saudi has what. Yup Oil. So Iraq who has not done to much to us at this time. At least no one has said Iraq attacked us and they have not. And no one even said there planning on doing so. It's been all speculation to this point. Saudis must just laugh of are fear for there oil. If only the one very good idea Clinton had alternatives fuels had more folks listen. Then we could sit here and laugh at the Saudis. It will happen some day. I hope before we leave a huge mess for our kids and grand kids. And telling Iraq we will use nukes just seems to leave us looking foolish. We fought a cold war to prevent nukes from being used. Now we are the first to say we will use them. War is nasty folks. And we seem to talk everyday now as if it's just a computer game.

 

[S-Love]

I guess we don't have thousands of American troops stationed in the Persian Gulf at this very moment. They don't need to be "on the ground" or "foot soldiers" to be at risk during a war.

I guess we will all have to wait and see if/when there are American troops in downtown Baghdad within the next six months. Then I'll be curious to hear what the members of the Tom Daischle fan club have to say.

 

[Chanman]

IMHO- I'm glad Bush, and not Gore, is the President. I think, (& hope), this Nuke talk is mostly just that- talk. Sorta like what came outta Iraq during the first Gulf War, i.e., Rivers of blood, Countless body bags being sent back to America, etc. We know the end to that story.
If the sh*t hits the fan this time at least we won't get caught w/ our pants down, (again- I hope.)
Wasn't it Mike Tyson who said" Everyone has a plan...until they get hit?"

 

[Nolan Dalla]

I tried to stay out of this discussion, but can no longer keep silent.

I realize Iraq is an authoritarian regime, run by a brutal dictator who has inflicted much pain and misery on his people. But what justifies the United States INVADING this sovereign nation?

In the 25+ years Saddam Hussien has been in power in Iraq, he has been involved in TWO -- count 'em TWO -- territorial conquests.

The first was the war in the early 80s with neighboring Iran -- which was OPENLY supported by the United States. This nation supplied what ws then our ally Iraq with weapons and encuoraged an invasion of Iran and overthrow of the regime if they could succeed (which didn't happen).

The second territorial expansion occurred in Summer 1990 when Iraq moved into some long-disputed territories in northern Kuwait. Read the history. These small provinces had been dsputed for some time by the two nations -- as they were under the authority of Kuwait. However, Iraq had never agreed to the boundaries and thus moved in and tried to usurp the lands. Again, this mission was GREEN LIGHTED by the American Ambassador to Iraq at the time, a bumbling idiot named Amb. Gillespie who met with Saddam Hussien a few days before the Kuwait invasion and basically said the United States would not intervene. Then, when Iraq went into Kuwait and overran the country, Gillespie came back to the Senate Foreign Intelligecne Community and basically lied her ass off about the meeting to save her job. This dumb cunt cost a lot of peopel their lives.

The Kuwait Royal Family was in an uproar upon seeing tanks in the Northern provinces and faithful oliman President Bush came riding to the rescue. "Operation Desert Storm" was laucnhed and the "war" was over six months later. The Iraqi Army was massacred.

What followed was a travesty. The Bush Administration did one thing while the secret contacts on the inside of Iraq did another. In February 1991, brave Iraqis were prepared to overthrow the Saddam Hussien regime and generals within the Iraqi Army sitting on the fence were ready to join the overthrow, but President Bush made it abundantly clear the war was to end at the Kuwair-Iraq border. As a result, the revolutionary movement to overthrow Saddam was squashed. Thousands were killed and tortured. All because the Bush leadership in "intelligence" communicated one thing on the ground within Iraq to the revolutionaries and another diplomatically. A two-faced, bold-faced liar. Now, we are stuck with the problems we have today because to utter and total INCOMPETENCE (not militarily -- which came through with shining colors -- but certainly politically and diplomaitcally).

My point is -- Iraq has NEVER shown any tendency to invade any other nation, nor does it have the capacity to do so. Iraq may be a very bad place. But the case has not been clearly made that this nation had anyting whatsowever to do with the 9/11 attack on the United States. There are also no connections between Iraq to the USS Cole, or any of the other major terroristic activities in the Middle East launched at American interests.

I have maintained a long time ago, that the Uhited States should get its ass out of that region. We have no business propping up corrupt autocratic regimes which torture their own people, deny rights to all people and make us less than the champions of liberty and freedom. Funny how the United States is utterly silent on human rights issues and abuses when it conflicts with oil or Israel.

It is up tp the President to MAKE THE CASE for an invasion or attack. I fear such a thing will have dire consequences for this nation on all levels -- militarily, socially, economically, and diplomatically and could conceivably lead to WW 3. That's the path we are headed on folks. If Iraq were invading nations and toppling governments left and right, that would be one thing. But that's not happening. And I DON'T trust my government nor do I trust the media, nor do I trust the so-called "intelligence community" (what a joke) to make wise, prudent judgment based on long term thinking and the national interest.


-- Nolan Dalla