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Glenn Quagmire

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Decent day yesterday but it could have been a lot better. I chickened out on playing Atlanta -1.5 and took Detroit in the first 5 innings instead of the whole game. Instead of 2-0 it's a no play and a push. Doh! I shouldn't complain though, I also thought the Twins would beat the Yanks. :mj07: Today's play...

Boston/Seattle U4.5 FIRST 5 INNINGS 260/200 - Maybe I'm crazy to play another 5 inning bet after getting burned yesterday but here is my reasoning. The O/U on the game started at 8.5 but the under was hit hard and it's now down to 8. Although I don't like the -130 line I think it's a safer bet than taking the under for the whole game. Seattle's bullpen is bad to begin with and they had to pitch SEVEN innings yesterday. It's spent. While Boston's bullpen is in much better shape I'm not crazy about it either. If there are less than 4 runs scored in the first 5 innings we win the bet. If there are 5 or more runs scored in the first 5 innings not only do we lose the bet, but I think there's a high probability that the game ends up going over 8 runs anyway. Therefore I don't think there's any added value in betting the full 9 innings.

A few more notes... Seattle's offense is struggling mightily. They won 2 of 3 in their opening series against Oakland but only hit .180. Then yesterday they got shut down by Beckett. They are not hitting well at all right now and now they have to face Dice-K. This is obviously just an opinion but I'd be surprised if they score more than one run in the first 5 innings.

On the other side I'm a little more worried about the Boston bats. They're a much better offensive team than the M's but they have to face Felix. He pitched a shutout in his first start and struck out 12. I don't expect him to pitch as well today because he's pitching on the road against the Sox instead of at home against the A's, but I do expect him to pitch well. I think if he gives up 3 runs or less we win the bet.

A couple more notes... Seattle has been a VERY bad road team the last few years. They haven't even been able to win 40% of their games on the road, struggling to score runs in the process.

Last note, I promise... Seattle also does not do well against pitchers they have never seen. It doesn't even have to be a good pitcher, simply a pitcher they have never seen. There have been many times when a team will throw out a recent AAA call-up against the M's and he'll look like Cy Young against them. They've never seen Dice-K so I think that is a huge advantage for him.

No other plays but I lean to Milwaukee. Mitre has gotten hit hard so far and I don't see that changing against Milwaukee's lineup. Bush isn't great and will give up some runs but I think the Brew Crew outscores Florida today. That is if they can get it in!

Good luck everyone!
 

dosun888

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gl 2nite...dice k is a exciting pitcher to watch...and im sure he shuts dwn the seatle offence again 2nite
 

Glenn Quagmire

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Thanks dosun. GL 2 u 2. I think Dice-K will shut down Seattle, I'm just hoping Felix pitches similar to his first start!
 

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i don't understand the point of betting the first 5 innings, it's not like in basketball where the same game is going on. you go through the lineup in order, the game could go 5-1 with all 6 runs being in the 2nd and nothing the rest of the way keeping it under 8. is it more of a bet on the starting pitchers? assuming they'll both pitch 5 innings? i just don't see how you can do this profitably, cause if you try the over with a weak pitcher on the mound, the top and middle of the lineup could leave a bunch of men on first time through, one double play ball can kill 2 runs sometimes. e.g. last night's braves game... i played the over 8.5 for the game, (it lost) but had i played the over for the first 5, too, i would've lost both with all but 1 run coming after the fifth. good luck to you. just trying to understand the idea, i think it's just another way for a bookie to get you to put $ down on a game, a much more risky bet than playing halves of college basketball games.
 

Glenn Quagmire

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Thanks a lot fellas.

Tig3rs,

The short answer is yes, I'm taking the under for the first 5 innings based on the starting pitchers. Hernandez and Matsuzaka are both very good pitchers, yet neither team has a great bullpen. Furthermore, Seattle's pen had to pitch 7 innings yesterday and they're not great to begin with, so in my opinion it's risky to play the under for the game as they could easily give up 3 or 4 runs on their own, not to mention Boston's bullpen.

You're right, it's entirely possible that one or both of the pitchers might not last 5 innings. If that happens though, it probably means they are getting shelled so not only would the 5 inning under be a loser but there's a good chance the 9 inning under would be a loser too. You mentioned that it could be 5-1 after a couple of innings. If that happens then I think any and all unders would be screwed. It's possible that neither team scores from there on out but it's not very likely.

There is a certain risk to playing the first 5 because it could go over 4.5 in the first 5 and then the scoring slows down. However, I think it's more likely that the game starts off slow and then picks up when the weaker pitchers, the bullpens, come in. Bullpens in MLB these days are awful. There's a guy on here, Lucena, who only plays over/unders and he does quite well. When he plays overs he plays for them the whole game but when he plays unders he only plays the first 5. His reasoning is the same as mine, if you're looking for a low-scoring game keep the bullpens out of it. They'll burn you more often than they'll save you in my opinion.

Hope that helps. Good luck guys!
 

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Decent day yesterday but it could have been a lot better. I chickened out on playing Atlanta -1.5 and took Detroit in the first 5 innings instead of the whole game. Instead of 2-0 it's a no play and a push. Doh! I shouldn't complain though, I also thought the Twins would beat the Yanks. :mj07: Today's play...

Boston/Seattle U4.5 FIRST 5 INNINGS 260/200 - Maybe I'm crazy to play another 5 inning bet after getting burned yesterday but here is my reasoning. The O/U on the game started at 8.5 but the under was hit hard and it's now down to 8. Although I don't like the -130 line I think it's a safer bet than taking the under for the whole game. Seattle's bullpen is bad to begin with and they had to pitch SEVEN innings yesterday. It's spent. While Boston's bullpen is in much better shape I'm not crazy about it either. If there are less than 4 runs scored in the first 5 innings we win the bet. If there are 5 or more runs scored in the first 5 innings not only do we lose the bet, but I think there's a high probability that the game ends up going over 8 runs anyway. Therefore I don't think there's any added value in betting the full 9 innings.

A few more notes... Seattle's offense is struggling mightily. They won 2 of 3 in their opening series against Oakland but only hit .180. Then yesterday they got shut down by Beckett. They are not hitting well at all right now and now they have to face Dice-K. This is obviously just an opinion but I'd be surprised if they score more than one run in the first 5 innings.

On the other side I'm a little more worried about the Boston bats. They're a much better offensive team than the M's but they have to face Felix. He pitched a shutout in his first start and struck out 12. I don't expect him to pitch as well today because he's pitching on the road against the Sox instead of at home against the A's, but I do expect him to pitch well. I think if he gives up 3 runs or less we win the bet.

A couple more notes... Seattle has been a VERY bad road team the last few years. They haven't even been able to win 40% of their games on the road, struggling to score runs in the process.

Last note, I promise... Seattle also does not do well against pitchers they have never seen. It doesn't even have to be a good pitcher, simply a pitcher they have never seen. There have been many times when a team will throw out a recent AAA call-up against the M's and he'll look like Cy Young against them. They've never seen Dice-K so I think that is a huge advantage for him.

No other plays but I lean to Milwaukee. Mitre has gotten hit hard so far and I don't see that changing against Milwaukee's lineup. Bush isn't great and will give up some runs but I think the Brew Crew outscores Florida today. That is if they can get it in!

Good luck everyone!

gooooooood as gold!!!!!!! nice call man!!!!
 

Glenn Quagmire

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Thanks Let's Eat. Someone hammered the over on this game before gametime because the line went from -130 to even on the under! :scared I started to get a little worried there when Matsuzaka began to unravel in the 5th. I had it backwards, Felix is the one pitching great and Matsuzaka looks a little off. Glad we cashed it!
 
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