One year

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Article from Times on-line "Europe"on one years progress/rhetoric vs reality.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6901771.ece

--Article summed up best by one readers comments--

Dale Smith wrote:
This president represents the accumulated wisdom of the democrat party which explains why he is floundering. The sloganeers have discovered it is easier to complain from the stump than govern a nation.

Only a fool believes that everyone in the US can have health care for less than we pay now without someone losing something somewhere. Only a fool believes the planet has a ?thermostat? which will be set to permanently. Only a fool believes you can tax a country to prosperity.

Fortunately, we have a lot of fools in government. Don?t forget that the architects of the sub-prime debacle are now in the majority.

Who?s worse? The fool, or the fool who follows him?

November 20, 2009 4:09 AM GMT on community.timesonline.co.uk

 

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Wayne: I do agree with some of the guys comments. But I have to disagree on the HC issue and who the architects of the sub-prime debacle were.

Health Care: Something needs to change. 10 years ago, I got hurt outside of work and spent a week in the hospital. Never paid a cent. When I would goto the doctor's office for this or that, I paid a $10 co-pay. Prescriptions were $5. Now, when I go in, I walk out paying a $25 co-pay and get a bill in the mail for the "uncovered" stuff which amounts to $100 - $400. WTF is going on? You've met me enough times to garner that I am healthy guy.....and that is the part that scares me. If I am healthy and I pay this much now, what happens if I get in another accident and have to spend time in the hospital? When people get taken out of work by an ambulence (heart trouble, or something that scares the nurse enough to call one), they get a bill for a $700 ambulence ride because they didn't "pre-schedule" the ride through their insurance. WTF?!

Sub-Prime Lending: I think the people pushing de-regulation are probably to blame for our banking issues....and I don't think that is the party in majority right now.

 

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Wayne: I do agree with some of the guys comments. But I have to disagree on the HC issue and who the architects of the sub-prime debacle were.

Health Care: Something needs to change. 10 years ago, I got hurt outside of work and spent a week in the hospital. Never paid a cent. When I would goto the doctor's office for this or that, I paid a $10 co-pay. Prescriptions were $5. Now, when I go in, I walk out paying a $25 co-pay and get a bill in the mail for the "uncovered" stuff which amounts to $100 - $400. WTF is going on? You've met me enough times to garner that I am healthy guy.....and that is the part that scares me. If I am healthy and I pay this much now, what happens if I get in another accident and have to spend time in the hospital? When people get taken out of work by an ambulence (heart trouble, or something that scares the nurse enough to call one), they get a bill for a $700 ambulence ride because they didn't "pre-schedule" the ride through their insurance. WTF?!

Sub-Prime Lending: I think the people pushing de-regulation are probably to blame for our banking issues....and I don't think that is the party in majority right now.

You have valid point on groups cutting back on coverage. Usually bout 1/3 of my groups get increase over 10% due to a large claim that will be ongoing. 1st thing they ask is where can cut to get premiums back down.

I agree with you that somethings needs to be done to lower cost--but believe cutting fraud-tort reform and buying and country wide pools all would bebetter (they cost nothing) than adding 30 million more to the social program roles. Which will cost you and I and the rest of taxpayors. We will be footing tab for the illegals--though they may be legal by then.

From a work related standpoint--this program will probaly be a boom for me as it was when we had basically same reform here in Ky a decade ago--I could write anyone with no health questions--however I know what followed.

--and buying across state lines would be great idea for the majority but not so good for us in Ky as we have some of lowest premiums in US and it would go up when those from CA NY and other states bought into our program as their cost basis and claim ratios are much higher.

I just can't see how adding all these folks -most will have no or subsidised premiums--with us footing tab--can be good for you or I Garry.

In a nutshell in nothing but an expansion of welfare--and we can't pay for programs we have now.

Lets look at it from hypothetical best case scenerio for them. Suppose by cutting 800 billion from medicare and increasing taxes on people-ins companies-other providers and employers--the net cost of plan is 0.

How do they plan on paying interest of 4 trillion debt they accumulated this year--raise taxes again. You can only bilk the tax payors so many times and would say our debt is much more important than social rograms.

Also the CBO even said it would raise current premiums--which was pretense for healthcare reform to begin with.

How much will it raise them--we got to pay for the 30 million--ins co will have to increase cost to cover their tax raise--employers will have to raise cost of their products to cover cost of their tax increase--its a snow ball effect with privite enterprise and joe tax payor :sadwave: and Da Base :00hour

Every admin speaks about cutting cost--but none do
If O wants change--how about cutting cost and go from there down the road--but how can one be serious about cutting cost and ignoring tort reform.

--Their attempt to cut Medicare to increase Medicade pretty much tells the story of their agenda.