Paterno family, others react to Penn State punishment

[buddy]

Paterno family, others react to Penn State punishment

July 23, 2012 2:15 pm

Statement by the Paterno family in response to the NCAA sanctions:

Sexual abuse is reprehensible, especially when it involves children, and no one starting with Joe Paterno condones or minimizes it.

The horrific acts committed by Jerry Sandusky shock the conscience of every decent human being.

How Sandusky was able to get away with his crimes for so long has yet to be fully understood, despite the claims and assertions of the Freeh report.

The release of the Freeh report has triggered an avalanche of vitriol, condemnation and posthumous punishment on Joe Paterno.

The NCAA has now become the latest party to accept the report as the final word on the Sandusky scandal.

The sanctions announced by the NCAA today defame the legacy and contributions of a great coach and educator without any input from our family or those who knew him best
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That the President, the Athletic Director and the Board of Trustees accepted this unprecedented action by the NCAA without requiring a full due process hearing before the Committee on Infractions is an abdication of their responsibilities and a breach of their fiduciary duties to the University and the 500,000 alumni.

Punishing past, present and future students of the University because of Sandusky's crimes does not serve justice.

This is not a fair or thoughtful action; it is a panicked response to the public's understandable revulsion at what Sandusky did.

The point of due process is to protect against this sort of reflexive action.

Joe Paterno was never interviewed by the University or the Freeh Group.

His counsel has not been able to interview key witnesses as they are represented by counsel related to ongoing litigation.

We have had no access to the records reviewed by the Freeh group.

The NCAA never contacted our family or our legal counsel.

And the fact that several parties have pending trials that could produce evidence and testimony relevant to this matter has been totally discounted.

Unfortunately all of these facts have been ignored by the NCAA, the Freeh Group and the University.

 

[kickserv]

I guess Marine is a member of the Paterno family.

 

[marine]

Thanks for the shout out kickserv.
Glad to know you are still thinking of me.

 

[kickserv]

No problem.

Just make sure you invite me over for the next Paterno family picnic.

:toast:

 

[fatdaddycool]

Kickserv,

I want you to go on record and tell me what if any of the facts pointed to by the Paterno family are false or without merit. Also, I don't recall you taking any position whatsoever when news of this story first broke so there is nothing to hold you to. Marine had a stated position at the onset of all this madness and as further testimony and involvement was brought to bear, he backed off his position somewhat. So the fuck what? Isn't that what everybody does? Just because he supported Joe Paterno earlier and does not any longer to the same degree does not mean he was wrong?!!?

Even more to the point, what the hell were you right about? What insightful, wistful comment did make when news of this first broke oh great sage.

Long story short, why the hell are you being such a dick about this to the guy? You are the only one that cares?!!? We all get it, you don't like him but you aren't in any position to demand an apology or an admission of error from anyone when you didn't even have a dog in the fight. You didn't apologize when you were wrong about the post about that fifties video and hitchhikers. You said Jack was kidding, I knew he wasn't but who cares?? It's petty. I think there is enough Penn State bullshit going around as it is and can make for an interesting discussion but a petty argument.
Just quit being a dick to the guy man?! Seriously.

Maybe you didn't think you were being a dick, but as more information has been presented and more posts made and brought to light, you are being a dick. Maybe you should back off your dickish position a bit?


Hope that helps,
FDC

 

[gjn23]

"it was one mistake in a long life of doing good"

we agree!

sincerely,

oj and adolf

 

[fatdaddycool]

"it was one mistake in a long life of doing good"

we agree!

sincerely,

oj and adolf

Oh yeah because all three of them should be lumped together. If you believe that Adolph Hitler's crimes were on par with withholding evidence or what Paterno did and what O.j. was acquitted of............then you have absolutely zero moral barometer and no common sense. Period. What a ridiculous statement. Besides, O.J. was found not guilty. You really do just jump on the media bandwagon for all your decisions when it comes to this kind of thing don't you.

Do you remember the first Naked Gun movie? Did you see it, specifically the part where Leslie Nielsen sang the National Anthem? How did you feel about that particular part? Now tell me how you feel about when Roseanne Barr sang the National Anthem in the same week as that movie was released? My guess, provided you are even honest with yourself, is that they are very different feelings about the exact same thing. Why? Public outcry that's why.

Hope that helps,
FDC

adding this on edit. Your a Bears fan and a Cubs fan so I am finding it difficult to argue this with you because I want to like you so I am probably going to be backing out of this here in a bit. The point is tired and beat and so am I.

 

[Penguinfan]

Kickserv,

I want you to go on record and tell me what if any of the facts pointed to by the Paterno family are false or without merit.
FDC

This is a good question that I would also like to see answered.



The public wanted their pound of flesh and they got it. They didn't get it from the guilty parties, but they got it and that is all that counts.

I hope they enjoy it.

 

[PaSprint]

Kickserv,

I want you to go on record and tell me what if any of the facts pointed to by the Paterno family are false or without merit. Also, I don't recall you taking any position whatsoever when news of this story first broke so there is nothing to hold you to. Marine had a stated position at the onset of all this madness and as further testimony and involvement was brought to bear, he backed off his position somewhat. So the fuck what? Isn't that what everybody does? Just because he supported Joe Paterno earlier and does not any longer to the same degree does not mean he was wrong?!!?

Even more to the point, what the hell were you right about? What insightful, wistful comment did make when news of this first broke oh great sage.

Long story short, why the hell are you being such a dick about this to the guy? You are the only one that cares?!!? We all get it, you don't like him but you aren't in any position to demand an apology or an admission of error from anyone when you didn't even have a dog in the fight. You didn't apologize when you were wrong about the post about that fifties video and hitchhikers. You said Jack was kidding, I knew he wasn't but who cares?? It's petty. I think there is enough Penn State bullshit going around as it is and can make for an interesting discussion but a petty argument.
Just quit being a dick to the guy man?! Seriously.

Maybe you didn't think you were being a dick, but as more information has been presented and more posts made and brought to light, you are being a dick. Maybe you should back off your dickish position a bit?


Hope that helps,
FDC

FDC... I don't know why you are wasting your time here with him. I chose to not respond when he "called me out" in previous threads on my thoughts on what should be done with the statue. The statue? Really???
I fully expect his rebuttal to be along the lines: "Well FDC...what if it was YOUR kids"

 

[fatdaddycool]

FDC... I don't know why you are wasting your time here with him. I chose to not respond when he "called me out" in previous threads on my thoughts on what should be done with the statue. The statue? Really???
I fully expect his rebuttal to be along the lines: "Well FDC...what if it was YOUR kids"

Well that would be unfortunate. I love a good debate but it has to stay along the lines of adult debate too. I get mad as the next guy but I still respect what they have to say. I may not agree with it all the time but I still respect the people I am talking with. Penguinfan for instance, years ago we disagreed on something, I have no idea what as it was something silly I am sure but normally he an I are on the same page.

I respect his ability to form an argument. Some of my best friends on here don't agree with me a lot but that is what makes this place somewhere you want to visit.

I think the argument is a bit tired but there are some things that I would like to see answered and I agree with Pengy that I would like to see and answer for the Paterno family question.

Cheers though bro and get your ass to a golf outing!!!

 

[kickserv]

This sums up PaSprint and his thoughts.

And will answer fatdaddy questions.....

PaSprint and Marine live in another world.

Again fatdaddy read this thread, your questions will be answered about my stance.:0008

http://www.madjacksports.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3235690#post3235690

PaSprint I was just curious if you thought the same about Paterno? I guess the answer is yes. I guess you are still defending him. Question answered. You and Marine have your views and they have not changed.

For the record...........

Paterno protected a child molester. Who gives a flying fuck what the Paterno family has to say. I care about the victims and what their families have to say.

 

[saint]

I hope they enjoy it.

That's probably what Sandusky said too while he anally raped kids while JoePa sat in his office nearby.

 

[kickserv]

Saint....you shouldn't say that. PaSprint and Marine won't like that.

Oh and the Paterno family won't like you saying that.

 

[kickserv]

For the record I like fatdaddy, PaSprint and Marine, I have been on here for years and years and there are only 4 people on here that are scum (I can't stand bible thumpers and racists). And like fatdaddy I like debating as well. It is a workout for the mind.

But with that said I am "tapped out" with the whole PSU thing.

From now on whatever Pasprint and Marine say is correct, they win.

 

[azbob]

I guess the Paterno apologists who thought Mark Emmert was a reporter know who he is now.

I think the Paterno family now reflects the lack of class of the coach as they still refuse to believe their beloved father enabled the sexual abuse of children.

I'm usually first in line to speak out against the NCAA but, in this case, their sanctions were not only fair but, also appropriate in stripping Paterno of wins. Plus, they allow the student-athletes to transfer and play right away.

That may not be convenient but, they would have more time if perhaps Paterno or a PS administrator would have happened to mention that little boys were being raped sometime in the past 15 years.

Next step...the three administrators should each get a trial...if innocent, sobeit...if guilty and sent to prison, their punishment will be ironic won't it?

Nicely done gjn23.

 

[kickserv]

"I think the Paterno family now reflects the lack of class of the coach as they still refuse to believe their beloved father enabled the sexual abuse of children."

Sadly they ain't the only ones.

 

[saint]

Paterno family, others react to Penn State punishment

July 23, 2012 2:15 pm

Statement by the Paterno family in response to the NCAA sanctions:

Sexual abuse is reprehensible, especially when it involves children, and no one starting with Joe Paterno condones or minimizes it.

False. No one but Joe Paterno can say that and he's six feet under. However, having your 'superiors' not report it to authorities would probably be the Webster Dictionary definition of minimalization

The horrific acts committed by Jerry Sandusky shock the conscience of every decent human being.

Duh

How Sandusky was able to get away with his crimes for so long has yet to be fully understood, despite the claims and assertions of the Freeh report.


Emails do not = claims and assertations. Emails are statements of fact. So, WRONG

The release of the Freeh report has triggered an avalanche of vitriol, condemnation and posthumous punishment on Joe Paterno.


And why do they think this is? Everyone is out to get Penn State?

The NCAA has now become the latest party to accept the report as the final word on the Sandusky scandal.


Written emails are just that...final word. The second the send button was hit, they became final word.

The sanctions announced by the NCAA today defame the legacy and contributions of a great coach and educator without any input from our family or those who knew him best


WTF does that have to do with anything? Does the NCAA now need to consult with family members prior to laying down penalties? Another example of this family thinking they deserve special treatment.
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That the President, the Athletic Director and the Board of Trustees accepted this unprecedented action by the NCAA without requiring a full due process hearing before the Committee on Infractions is an abdication of their responsibilities and a breach of their fiduciary duties to the University and the 500,000 alumni.


Again, ask ourselves why? Because the world is out to get PSU? Or because the proof is the proof, it's done, and nothing more needs to be heard to make a decision on how to proceed

Punishing past, present and future students of the University because of Sandusky's crimes does not serve justice.


This isn't about justice. This is about NCAA guidelines. While it is debatable, the NCAA obviously feels this falls under lack of institutional control. Any like every other penalty handed down by the NCAA, unfortunately it punishes the wrong people. This case is no different than ANY OTHER case in that regards and it's a totally separate debate.

This is not a fair or thoughtful action; it is a panicked response to the public's understandable revulsion at what Sandusky did.

People are over the revulsion. It's not like this ruling happened the week the initial news came out. Then, that statement would be true.

The point of due process is to protect against this sort of reflexive action.
The NCAA has never been about due process. So while they have a point, the NCAA is doing what they've done to countless other schools. But again, this isn't reflexive. if it were, it would have come done prior to the Freeh Report months ago.

Joe Paterno was never interviewed by the University or the Freeh Group.

When we die what's left is what we did in the past. They have PROVED, in writing, that JoePa lied about knowing about the '98 abuse. So it doesn't matter because his word is zero.

His counsel has not been able to interview key witnesses as they are represented by counsel related to ongoing litigation.

I'd love to see an email interviewed. It would be thrilling, and educational.

We have had no access to the records reviewed by the Freeh group.


Fair request, here's the emails.

The NCAA never contacted our family or our legal counsel.

They have no responsibility to.

And the fact that several parties have pending trials that could produce evidence and testimony relevant to this matter has been totally discounted.


Irrelevant to the NCAA punishment. To the civil suits, relevant.

Unfortunately all of these facts have been ignored by the NCAA, the Freeh Group and the University.

Denial 'aint a river in Egypt.

Their diatribes like the above just show that they too lack any ability to put emotion and bias aside and look at cold hard facts. They need to STFU, go lick their wounds as a family and stop making themselves look more ridiculous than they already have.

And the million dollar question?

Why does almost every single person who doesn't have a PSU affiliation feel one way, and PSU fans/grads feel another?

FIX!

 

[PaSprint]

For the record I like fatdaddy, PaSprint and Marine, I have been on here for years and years and there are only 4 people on here that are scum (I can't stand bible thumpers and racists). And like fatdaddy I like debating as well. It is a workout for the mind.

But with that said I am "tapped out" with the whole PSU thing.

From now on whatever Pasprint and Marine say is correct, they win.

For the record kick.... I never said I didn't "like you" Just because you and I don't see eye to eye on everything you shouldn't come to that conclusion.
That being said... remember that... Paterno was coaching Penn St. some 20 + years before Sandusky was hired. Also, I'm quite certain that 100 % of Penn state fans and the like weren't rooting for a pedophile over the last 20 years. There are ALOT of unanswered question and ALOT of things that will never be known at this point.
I'm out on this... the media... the NCAA... and people like you got what you wanted... thump your chest and carry on.

 

[kickserv]

Fair enough PaSprint:0008

All good:SIB

 

[saint]

There are ALOT of unanswered question and ALOT of things that will never be known at this point.

It doesn't matter!!!!!!!!!!!! Fact: Paterno lied about having knowledge of the 1998 abuse. Fact: Paterno told his superiors not to report the abuse when he did admit to being told.


IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT ELSE IS UNKNOWN.

Someone can be the greatest person alive but if they do something heinous (as Paterno did) it overshadows everything.

Boo fucking hoo. Paterno should have thought of that. The most sobering thing is to know all of this was brought on by the man taking the 2nd most heat.

All Paterno had to do was inform authorities when he was told. None of this happens.