Patriot act dead, say hello to the "Freedom Act"

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"My general rule of thumb when it comes to legislation is that the more high-sounding the name, the more insidious the law.

Exhibit A: the just-passed USA FREEDOM Act.

?Freedom?. It sounds great.

So great, in fact, that they stuck it in the title and built an absurd acronym around it? the real name of the law is ?Uniting and Strengthening America by Fulfilling Rights and Ensuring Effective Discipline Over Monitoring Act of 2015″.

U-S-A-F-R-E-E-D-O-M. Hooray!

And without fail, the media has bought in to the myth, praising the government for heralding in a new era of liberty with headlines like ?Congress Reins In NSA?s Spying Powers? and ?NSA phone program doomed as Senate passes USA Freedom Act?.

Unfortunately this is simply not the case. And shame on the mainstream media for making such thinly-researched, fallacious assertions.

If anyone had actually taken the time to read the legislation, they?d see that most of the ?concessions? made by the government are entirely hollow.

Secret FISA courts still exist. Lone wolf surveillance authority and roving wiretaps still exist. They can still grab oodles of other data like medical and business records."

"And the US Attorney General has even been awarded new ?emergency powers? to use in his/her sole discretion? just in case the secret courts might be uncooperative.

The big victory being cheered by the media pertains to the collection of phone records. This one is actually hilarious.

The USA FREEDOM Act prevents the government from seizing and storing ?call detail records?, the so-called meta-data information like your phone number, the other caller?s phone number, the length of the call, etc.

But section 107(k)(3)(B) of the new law specifically states that ?call detail records? do NOT include the *actual content* of the call itself. Or your name. Address. Financial data. Cell-site location. Etc.

So basically they can?t archive your phone number. But everything else is fair game. Congratulations on your freedom."

rest here...http://www.sovereignman.com/trends/...t-a-destructive-as-the-usa-patriot-act-17105/
 

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cam somebody please give this guy the password to political?...

jack,help this brother out....


Sorry if my occasional dose of American reality offends.


I don't see it as political, just "civic enlightenment" and perhaps
opening an eye or two along the way.:mj03:

If you are happy with the Controlled Media's daily upchuck of distortion and agenda :0038 simply put me on ignore.
 

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If you are happy with the Controlled Media's daily upchuck of distortion and agenda :0038 simply put me on ignore.[/QUOTE]

I'm with Dead on this one. Such a shame how controlled today's media is:facepalm:
 

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Sorry if my occasional dose of American reality offends.


I don't see it as political, just "civic enlightenment" and perhaps
opening an eye or two along the way.:mj03:

If you are happy with the Controlled Media's daily upchuck of distortion and agenda :0038 simply put me on ignore.

BRAVO Dead, couldn't agree more.:0074
 

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Sorry if my occasional dose of American reality offends.


I don't see it as political, just "civic enlightenment" and perhaps
opening an eye or two along the way.:mj03:

If you are happy with the Controlled Media's daily upchuck of distortion and agenda :0038 simply put me on ignore.



Good post Dead ! I'm sure glad that I do not limit my information to MSNBC or Fox distorts at a very high percentage . It takes some digging to find out what are they really talking about. Thanks for taking the risk to post this in the General Forum especially when we have Katy Perry BJ Face & Bruce Jenner Preps for Facial Feminization Surgery .
 

gardenweasel

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Good post Dead ! I'm sure glad that I do not limit my information to MSNBC or Fox distorts at a very high percentage . It takes some digging to find out what are they really talking about. Thanks for taking the risk to post this in the General Forum especially when we have Katy Perry BJ Face & Bruce Jenner Preps for Facial Feminization Surgery .

so go ahead and dig....you want to irritate people,that`s why theres a political forum....


pol-I-ti-cal...it`s farther down the forum list......you probably weren`t around when politics almost ruined the general forum.....
 

gardenweasel

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so go ahead and dig....you want to irritate people,that`s why theres a political forum....


pol-I-ti-cal...it`s farther down the forum list......you probably weren`t around when politics almost ruined the general forum.....

on second thought,disregard my comment...it`s not my forum....knock yourselves out.....
 

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:toast:
Sorry if my occasional dose of American reality offends.


I don't see it as political, just "civic enlightenment" and perhaps
opening an eye or two along the way.:mj03:

If you are happy with the Controlled Media's daily upchuck of distortion and agenda :0038 simply put me on ignore.
 

Dead Money

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so go ahead and dig....you want to irritate people,that`s why theres a political forum....


pol-I-ti-cal...it`s farther down the forum list......you probably weren`t around when politics almost ruined the general forum.....


Not trying to provoke , please explain how it is "irritating" to you?
I'm simply at times presenting rational, barely published, alternate views that affect all Americans.

If you want to take as gospel the "news" the controlled media
provides, good for you...you are offered freak shows as a constant diversion.


Latest side show is China breaching our government files.....duh, we as a country would NEVER think of doing such a terrible thing......:0002
 

gardenweasel

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Not trying to provoke , please explain how it is "irritating" to you?
I'm simply at times presenting rational, barely published, alternate views that affect all Americans.

If you want to take as gospel the "news" the controlled media
provides, good for you...you are offered freak shows as a constant diversion.


Latest side show is China breaching our government files.....duh, we as a country would NEVER think of doing such a terrible thing......:0002

fair enough,,,i have one question then I`m out(if you feel like answering it)....are you a 9/11 truther?(i.e.,you believe that 9/11 was an "inside job")....

thanks for the response in advance...
 

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so go ahead and dig....you want to irritate people,that`s why theres a political forum....


pol-I-ti-cal...it`s farther down the forum list......you probably weren`t around when politics almost ruined the general forum.....

Weasel I don't think he posted the info. to irritate people ,obviously he irratated only you by posting in the general forum.I know I've only been around since 2000.so explain to me how is it political ?
 

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Weasel I don't think he posted the info. to irritate people ,obviously he irratated only you by posting in the general forum.I know I've only been around since 2000.so explain to me how is it political ?

the patriot act/freedom act?......it couldn`t be more political..it`s by it`s very nature political....that`s not to say that it`s not relevant and/or important....but it`s political to the nth degree...it`s so political that paul just finished filibustering the senate floor a few days back........

people feel very strongly about their political views(myself included)...this place can get hinky when politics start getting discussed and it wouldn`t be the first time this forum devolved into a shitstorm due to political arguments.... ......

but,i was wrong to say anything...as I said,it`s jack`s forum. ...dead money seems to have a strong political/conspiratorial bent and if he wants to post in general,then i say knock yourself out...
 

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the patriot act/freedom act?......it couldn`t be more political..it`s by it`s very nature political....that`s not to say that it`s not relevant and/or important....but it`s political to the nth degree...it`s so political that paul just finished filibustering the senate floor a few days back........

people feel very strongly about their political views(myself included)...this place can get hinky when politics start getting discussed and it wouldn`t be the first time this forum devolved into a shitstorm due to political arguments.... ......

but,i was wrong to say anything...as I said,it`s jack`s forum. ...dead money seems to have a strong political/conspiratorial bent and if he wants to post in general,then i say knock yourself out...




Wease I hardly ever viewed the general forum for 11-12 yrs. so I have to take your word about things blowing up. I really question myself now for looking at post's of some really sick people ( my view ) who post hatred but that's the inter-net & it even has a following on a Sports Handicapping site. Have a good day !
 

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a toughie,eh?

Not really a toughie, you have your wish and the thread was moved as you were obviously going very seriously off course.
Your pointed query represents an agenda in your mind, good for you.

I will respond, and as the wise Forest Gump said..."And thats all I have to say about that."

I put 9-11 up there in the same category of my worst personal lifetime distressing emotional experiences as Cronkite choking back tears as he announced Kennedy's death, and some really bad things I experienced during the year of warfare I witnessed in Vietnam.

9-11 Several thousand souls, American and Multi- Nationals alike,were murdered apparently by Saudi nationals.
The Seals got the key planner, and he was executed on the spot. Would have been great to have him talk.

There is to this day, pending legal action on behalf of survivor's against Saudi Royalty.

Saudi Arabia has an ocean of oil...

The FOG of TIME is very slow to reveal its darkest secrets.

50 years later, we still don't know the truth about Kennedy's murder. We are mired in a never ending desert version of Vietnam.
 

gardenweasel

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Not really a toughie, you have your wish and the thread was moved as you were obviously going very seriously off course.
Your pointed query represents an agenda in your mind, good for you.

I will respond, and as the wise Forest Gump said..."And thats all I have to say about that."

I put 9-11 up there in the same category of my worst personal lifetime distressing emotional experiences as Cronkite choking back tears as he announced Kennedy's death, and some really bad things I experienced during the year of warfare I witnessed in Vietnam.

9-11 Several thousand souls, American and Multi- Nationals alike,were murdered apparently by Saudi nationals.
The Seals got the key planner, and he was executed on the spot. Would have been great to have him talk.

There is to this day, pending legal action on behalf of survivor's against Saudi Royalty.

Saudi Arabia has an ocean of oil...

The FOG of TIME is very slow to reveal its darkest secrets.

50 years later, we still don't know the truth about Kennedy's murder. We are mired in a never ending desert version of Vietnam.

sounds to me like you`re trying to assign blame to the Saudi family....which I think is patently unfair....the Saudi`s are many things but I don`t think for a second that the family was in any way involved(regardless of the old " Saudi`s being flown out of the usa directly afterward" saw)...

the highjackers were, for the most part, highly educated,fairly well off morons who turned to jihad for whatever reason(weakness of mind,indoctrination,the need for a cause).....

that said,I`m very happy you didn`t go into a,"the towers were wired"," fire can`t melt steel","the joos did it" tirade.... I was a bit concerned you might head in that direction...

all that said,i`m actually a bit regretful if it upset you that the thread was moved and my comments caused it(as it appears may have been the case).....but as jack has indicated,political posts(although they may start out as innocuous and well intended) inevitably lead to a clusterfuck of major proportions if left unchecked in general(at least,that`s been the pattern)...I`m not the only one that has requested a political post get moved.....I said my piece but it`s ultimately jack`s and i.e.`s decision on what stays or gets moved......
 

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I absolutely believe the Saudi royals funded Osama as well as several other terrorist organizations. I believe they are by far are most treacherous enemy
 

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I absolutely believe the Saudi royals funded Osama as well as several other terrorist organizations. I believe they are by far are most treacherous enemy

I don`t think for a second that the Saudi royals had any "direct" link to 9/11....."funding" is a very generic term...we funded bin laden when he was fighting the Russians in Afghanistan,so technically,we funded bin laden.....doesn`t mean we were involved in murdering our our citizens.........we helped the Russians fight the germans in ww2......alliances change......countries are "funding' all kinds of nefarious crap all over the world...

I know moussasi is making claims against the Saudis...nothing`s been proven and I`m sure that there are many politicians that would love to see such a nexus.....but as of today,the 9/11 report stands...

as of now it`s speculation at best.....

is it possible that the 9/11 families will get some money out of the Saudis to end it all?...maybe... .

get back to me when it`s actually been proven in a court of law that the Saudi`s are directly involved........

until then,
 
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