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I find this article on point:

The Politics of Spite Sign
Paul Krugman
Published: October 4, 2009

There was what President Obama likes to call a teachable moment last week, when the International Olympic Committee rejected Chicago?s bid to be host of the 2016 Summer Games.

?Cheers erupted? at the headquarters of the conservative Weekly Standard, according to a blog post by a member of the magazine?s staff, with the headline ?Obama loses! Obama loses!? Rush Limbaugh declared himself ?gleeful.? ?World Rejects Obama,? gloated the Drudge Report. And so on.

So what did we learn from this moment? For one thing, we learned that the modern conservative movement, which dominates the modern Republican Party, has the emotional maturity of a bratty 13-year-old.
But more important, the episode illustrated an essential truth about the state of American politics: at this point, the guiding principle of one of our nation?s two great political parties is spite pure and simple. If Republicans think something might be good for the president, they?re against it ? whether or not it?s good for America.

To be sure, while celebrating America?s rebuff by the Olympic Committee was puerile, it didn?t do any real harm. But the same principle of spite has determined Republican positions on more serious matters, with potentially serious consequences ? in particular, in the debate over health care reform.

Now, it?s understandable that many Republicans oppose Democratic plans to extend insurance coverage ? just as most Democrats opposed President Bush?s attempt to convert Social Security into a sort of giant 401(k). The two parties do, after all, have different philosophies about the appropriate role of government.

But the tactics of the two parties have been different. In 2005, when Democrats campaigned against Social Security privatization, their arguments were consistent with their underlying ideology: they argued that replacing guaranteed benefits with private accounts would expose retirees to too much risk.

The Republican campaign against health care reform, by contrast, has shown no such consistency. For the main G.O.P. line of attack is the claim ? based mainly on lies about death panels and so on ? that reform will undermine Medicare. And this line of attack is utterly at odds both with the party?s traditions and with what conservatives claim to believe.
Think about just how bizarre it is for Republicans to position themselves as the defenders of unrestricted Medicare spending. First of all, the modern G.O.P. considers itself the party of Ronald Reagan ? and Reagan was a fierce opponent of Medicare?s creation, warning that it would destroy American freedom. (Honest.) In the 1990s, Newt Gingrich tried to force drastic cuts in Medicare financing. And in recent years, Republicans have repeatedly decried the growth in entitlement spending ? growth that is largely driven by rising health care costs.

But the Obama administration?s plan to expand coverage relies in part on savings from Medicare. And since the G.O.P. opposes anything that might be good for Mr. Obama, it has become the passionate defender of ineffective medical procedures and overpayments to insurance companies.

How did one of our great political parties become so ruthless, so willing to embrace scorched-earth tactics even if so doing undermines the ability of any future administration to govern?
The key point is that ever since the Reagan years, the Republican Party has been dominated by radicals ? ideologues and/or apparatchiks who, at a fundamental level, do not accept anyone else?s right to govern.

Anyone surprised by the venomous, over-the-top opposition to Mr. Obama must have forgotten the Clinton years. Remember when Rush Limbaugh suggested that Hillary Clinton was a party to murder? When Newt Gingrich shut down the federal government in an attempt to bully Bill Clinton into accepting those Medicare cuts? And let?s not even talk about the impeachment saga.

The only difference now is that the G.O.P. is in a weaker position, having lost control not just of Congress but, to a large extent, of the terms of debate. The public no longer buys conservative ideology the way it used to; the old attacks on Big Government and paeans to the magic of the marketplace have lost their resonance. Yet conservatives retain their belief that they, and only they, should govern.

The result has been a cynical, ends-justify-the-means approach. Hastening the day when the rightful governing party returns to power is all that matters, so the G.O.P. will seize any club at hand with which to beat the current administration.
It?s an ugly picture. But it?s the truth. And it?s a truth anyone trying to find solutions to America?s real problems has to understand.
 

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Krugman is a POLITICAL HACK, who doesn't know that?

TIA.

JMHO.

Krugman did forget to say he is amazed that there are actually people like you who can't figure this out. Skully if i was as naive as u i would think about blowing my brains out.
 

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You want explanations for the OBVIOUS, refute my OPINION if you want to invest the TIME.

TIA.

:0corn

Why should I refute your opinion? If you are going to hold that opinion, I simply asked to you to back it up. There was posted material for you to work with and I am open to learning new things. I don't see what is so difficult....unless you are just full of shit, which kind of makes my point.
 

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Krugman is a POLITICAL HACK, who doesn't know that?

TIA.

JMHO.

Just because you do not agree with what he says he is a hack?

Hey I tell you what, I will agree with you when you reply with a well written counterpoint of Mr Krugman's points you disagree with.

Or if you like post your educational history and if it is even half of Krugman's I have your support.

Or fuck it just show me where you were nominated for a Nobel Prize.

So until then you are just a skullfuck without a mind of your own that adds nothing to this forum.

tia fkoff
 

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Just because you do not agree with what he says he is a hack?

Hey I tell you what, I will agree with you when you reply with a well written counterpoint of Mr Krugman's points you disagree with.

Or if you like post your educational history and if it is even half of Krugman's I have your support.

Or fuck it just show me where you were nominated for a Nobel Prize.

So until then you are just a skullfuck without a mind of your own that adds nothing to this forum.

tia fkoff

Nobel Prize, give me a break, another P/C organization, they should give Al Gore one.

LMAO@U.
 

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You never seem to get it !!

You never seem to get it !!

Nobel Prize, give me a break, another P/C organization, they should give Al Gore one.

LMAO@U.

Feb 1st ,2007 Oslo Norway, Al Gore was nominated for the nobel peace prize, guess what, on oct 12th, 2007 Al Gore wins the nobel peace prize.
 

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I find this article on point:

The Politics of Spite Sign
Paul Krugman
Published: October 4, 2009

There was what President Obama likes to call a teachable moment last week, when the International Olympic Committee rejected Chicago?s bid to be host of the 2016 Summer Games.

?Cheers erupted? at the headquarters of the conservative Weekly Standard, according to a blog post by a member of the magazine?s staff, with the headline ?Obama loses! Obama loses!? Rush Limbaugh declared himself ?gleeful.? ?World Rejects Obama,? gloated the Drudge Report. And so on.

So what did we learn from this moment? For one thing, we learned that the modern conservative movement, which dominates the modern Republican Party, has the emotional maturity of a bratty 13-year-old.
But more important, the episode illustrated an essential truth about the state of American politics: at this point, the guiding principle of one of our nation?s two great political parties is spite pure and simple. If Republicans think something might be good for the president, they?re against it ? whether or not it?s good for America.

To be sure, while celebrating America?s rebuff by the Olympic Committee was puerile, it didn?t do any real harm. But the same principle of spite has determined Republican positions on more serious matters, with potentially serious consequences ? in particular, in the debate over health care reform.

Now, it?s understandable that many Republicans oppose Democratic plans to extend insurance coverage ? just as most Democrats opposed President Bush?s attempt to convert Social Security into a sort of giant 401(k). The two parties do, after all, have different philosophies about the appropriate role of government.

But the tactics of the two parties have been different. In 2005, when Democrats campaigned against Social Security privatization, their arguments were consistent with their underlying ideology: they argued that replacing guaranteed benefits with private accounts would expose retirees to too much risk.

The Republican campaign against health care reform, by contrast, has shown no such consistency. For the main G.O.P. line of attack is the claim ? based mainly on lies about death panels and so on ? that reform will undermine Medicare. And this line of attack is utterly at odds both with the party?s traditions and with what conservatives claim to believe.
Think about just how bizarre it is for Republicans to position themselves as the defenders of unrestricted Medicare spending. First of all, the modern G.O.P. considers itself the party of Ronald Reagan ? and Reagan was a fierce opponent of Medicare?s creation, warning that it would destroy American freedom. (Honest.) In the 1990s, Newt Gingrich tried to force drastic cuts in Medicare financing. And in recent years, Republicans have repeatedly decried the growth in entitlement spending ? growth that is largely driven by rising health care costs.

But the Obama administration?s plan to expand coverage relies in part on savings from Medicare. And since the G.O.P. opposes anything that might be good for Mr. Obama, it has become the passionate defender of ineffective medical procedures and overpayments to insurance companies.

How did one of our great political parties become so ruthless, so willing to embrace scorched-earth tactics even if so doing undermines the ability of any future administration to govern?
The key point is that ever since the Reagan years, the Republican Party has been dominated by radicals ? ideologues and/or apparatchiks who, at a fundamental level, do not accept anyone else?s right to govern.

Anyone surprised by the venomous, over-the-top opposition to Mr. Obama must have forgotten the Clinton years. Remember when Rush Limbaugh suggested that Hillary Clinton was a party to murder? When Newt Gingrich shut down the federal government in an attempt to bully Bill Clinton into accepting those Medicare cuts? And let?s not even talk about the impeachment saga.

The only difference now is that the G.O.P. is in a weaker position, having lost control not just of Congress but, to a large extent, of the terms of debate. The public no longer buys conservative ideology the way it used to; the old attacks on Big Government and paeans to the magic of the marketplace have lost their resonance. Yet conservatives retain their belief that they, and only they, should govern.

The result has been a cynical, ends-justify-the-means approach. Hastening the day when the rightful governing party returns to power is all that matters, so the G.O.P. will seize any club at hand with which to beat the current administration.
It?s an ugly picture. But it?s the truth. And it?s a truth anyone trying to find solutions to America?s real problems has to understand.

yes...really on point....i believe we should put politics aside for now and treat president obama with the same respect that the left showed for president bush.....

that`s the standard we`re basically trying to live up to.....and it ain`t easy....we`ve got a long way to go...

////(this means heavy sarcasm intended)...:rolleyes:

you guys are amazing...
 

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Maybe the right will discuss issues with a plan, that would be a start. You can crticize or argue facts all you want. That would also be a start. What they are doing now, I guess, is working too well to change gears. Righties are pussing out on a true debate.

No sarcasm intended.
 

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Maybe the right will discuss issues with a plan, that would be a start. You can crticize or argue facts all you want. That would also be a start. What they are doing now, I guess, is working too well to change gears. Righties are pussing out on a true debate.

No sarcasm intended.

it`s hard to debate something when you have no voice in the process...republicans in congress have no voice in the debate.....

it`s the people who have (thankfully) forced this s piece of crap/ single payer garbage that obama & co. wants to push through(without people knowing what they`re getting).....

and it`s the people`s pressure on vulnerable blue dog democrats that just might:mj09: sink this "plan"...a plan who`s own framers are exempting themselves from.....

that....the fact that the government elites are exempting themselves from their own plan...should be all that hard-wrking people need to know about this p.o.s....

no sarcasm intended...
 
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I'd had no prob if the Chicago machine had picked up tab for seperate flights and security for O -wife Oprah and clan--instead of we taxpayors--believe estimate was bout 1.5 mill not counting security--guess we should be lucky he had time for 25 minutes with general in charge of troops. :)
belive that made him twice he's seen him in seven months---almost half the time he spent on late night tv programs-

Speaking of late night--his pitch at olmpics reminded me of Billy Mayes--and wonder why press hasn't caught the watching Carl Lewis while on my dads lap yet :142smilie
 
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