Jesus you are a giant loser.
How many screen names can you make, can you make at least one of them not a giant douchebag?
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Jesus you are a giant loser.
How many screen names can you make, can you make at least one of them not a giant douchebag?
azbob said:
It is still unknown if this state will turn completely republican! It's not a miracle by any stretch. The state has had a republican governor in recent history, ummm does anyone remember Tommy Thompson?
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I see Bob, nor anyone else supporting Walker and the attack on unions, has answered my question. And so it goes...
I guess I don't see a problem with this. There is not a mandate that all businesses support Republicans, and we sure know there are plenty of rich democrats who can give big checks (see Maher, Bill).
I think the Dems aren't happy that turnabout is fair play. The unions ran most elections due their coerced fundraising ability - some folks call them "dues". However, not all union members are Democrat. In fact, in the WI recall, exit polling showed like 36% of union members supporting Walker. Yet they have no say in how their money is funnelled to the Democrats.
It really puts the Dems and Repubs on equal footing: The unions raise money via dues and use it to further the unions interest, which theoretically helps their members (although not all members see it that way - see WI).
The companies do the same thing - which theoretically helps their employees.
I think the problem is, the Republican donors represent those who have worked hard and are successful (overall) - so there is much more money to give.
Frankly that is the way it should be. If you are really for repealing Citizen United, then you should also be for making it illegal for any union to get involved with an election - through money or organizing.
But, CU has made it fair, finally, for both sides. And that has allowed people's true feelings to come out - ala WI.
There is not much future any longer for Freddie the Freeloader.
How does one "repeal" CU? It's not a law - rather it's a Supreme Court decision to void McCain-Feingold.
It's what republicans usually whine about: "legislating from the bench."
The Supreme Court decided that corporations have all the Constitutional rights of citizens in sprite of the fact that they don't have all the obligations of citizens.
It's possibly the most anti-Constitution ruling by any SCOTUS ever.
This Supreme Court is a majority of syncophants, licking the boots of their right-wing masters.
Corporations = citizens? Gimme' a break.
How does one "repeal" CU? It's not a law - rather it's a Supreme Court decision to void McCain-Feingold.
It's what republicans usually whine about: "legislating from the bench."
The Supreme Court decided that corporations have all the Constitutional rights of citizens in sprite of the fact that they don't have all the obligations of citizens.
It's possibly the most anti-Constitution ruling by any SCOTUS ever.
This Supreme Court is a majority of syncophants, licking the boots of their right-wing masters.
Corporations = citizens? Gimme' a break.
OK - Duff, I'll bite.
I don't see one iota of difference between a corporation, who is making decisions on it's best interests and should theoretically help employees, and a union, that is also doing the same.
Both organizations have employees/members that agree and do not agree with the political goals of their leadership.
Both a union and a corporation are made up of individuals. The only difference is that a corporation creates wealth and jobs. A union typically destroys wealth and jobs.
They are finally being treated equally. I just think that is a good thing. And that was clear here in WI. Walker has done great things (even if he hasn't communicated well). People responded.
Barrett has been a disaster in Milwaukee, and would be so statewide if he were governor. But he has ran for Governor 3 times and lost 3 times - his career will never get past Mayor as a three time loser.
While the minority in WI has been loud, destructive, threatening, etc, the silent majority has spoken. I do think the tactics the left has used really hurt their cause: the death threats, pouring beer on legislators heads, the threating businesses with boycotts by the union, the calling in sick as a teacher to go to Madison to protest, etc.
You don't see the right behaving like a child when they don't get what they want. The conservatives have been the adult in the room. The unions/Dems have significantly hurt their brand in Wisconsin due to their tactics. And I do believe these tactics played a role in Walker winning by an even bigger margin this time.
I realize you don't live here - and don't see what has gone on. It has been ugly - but the ugliness has come mainly from the Dems. I pray that is all behind us now.
This is like trying to explain something relatively simple to a third grader.
Unions and corporations are not finally being treated equally. They were treated equally under McCain-Feinglod which placed strict limits on soft money contributions by both. That was the law, enacted by the Senate, House, and signed by the President.
The intent was to create a level playing field, which it did to considerable extent.
The Scotus undid that law, legislating from the bench. They reasoned that the Constitution applied to corporations as well as people, and that is total bullshit.
Thus the vested interests, most of whom have no interest in Wisconsin, could try to buy the election for Walker. Which they did.
What does CU have to do with Barrett, other than filling Walker's pockets with corporate money?
Yes, Maggot you do bite.
Mom still kissing your winkie?
Well, that certainly explains the conservative view - and benefits it. I don't agree with much of it. If you take out the union money (the shrinking numbers, shrinking dues, shrinking influence - that you guys talk about when minimizing unions when it's politically advantageous to your argument) from most elections, you are usually left with mostly republican/conservative groups and organizations. I think you probably would agree with that. There are examples of this all over, and I think you've probably seen them. And since the ruling, the money has grown dramatically from these groups with a face, and more dramatically from these groups that have no face and we don't know where they come from. Much of it in local and state elections that come from out of the state - we saw this big time in Wisconsin. So, you have secret big money (in many cases) from outside locales and states that are controlling the message. And I guess that is ok with you, as long as they share your views. I think that's selfish, short-sighted, and destroys democracy. You guys want to reshape democracy, which makes our process not a democracy at all, but a plutocracy. Literally, that is where we are headed.
There is nothing fair about what is actually happening. And with more control of elections, there will be reshaping and controlling policy, purely to benefit those who have the money. Things have been pretty even for as long as I remember between unions and conservative groups in the electoral process. Otherwise, wouldn't we always have democratic majorities, Presidents, etc? It just doesn't make sense.
But before you throw this out again ? I would be fine doing away with unions contributing to elections. I?m fine taking as much money out of the process as possible. To say that this ruling ?fixed? things or evened them out for the betterment of the individual is ridiculous. It did just the opposite, except for a select few ?individuals.? Which evidently, is the same as a corporation, which is also ridiculous.
Again, I wasn?t a proponent of the recall. I also don?t see how Barrett would be a great Governor for the state, based on the record I?ve seen in Milwaukee. It?s a much larger issue than that for me. It?s about the people like you and me forever having a smaller voice than ever in our representation. And I don?t know how anyone could argue against that, and I haven?t seen anyone do a decent job of explaining that. The scary part is, before we know what hit us, it could be too late to make any difference.
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I hate to continue to draw attention to posts, but I know there are those that can comment with sensibility here that don't that often. I ask conservatives with something substantial to comment on my post. I have still yet to see something that makes sense.
Raymond and Skulnik are working on their emoticon responses now. Please be patient. :0003
As you know, I was not asking for that input...
I know that, Chad. I was trying to make a point and their lack of a response needed to be pointed out. The fact is that neither of those two knuckleheads has anything to offer this board.....ever. Part of it is because they are knuckleheads, the other part is that they don't have any substance to back up their "beliefs". They bought into the conservative BS that basically says the right is the party of the true blue American ideal while the left is the party of those looking for a handout. No further reflection or investigation needed. Buy it on face value, look for stories that "prove" it, ignore any conversation that challenges it. It is pathetic. The same thing happens in politics where these hypocrites aren't taken to task by those on the left. And if you want to know if those opportunities really exist, watch the Daily Show. Jon points them out nightly.
And if you want to know if those opportunities really exist, watch the Daily Show. Jon points them out nightly.
What a fucking knucklehead.
MORON!!!
What a fucking knucklehead.
MORON!!!
Is it really that hard to participate? All the points made and questions posed and all you have is this. This is why you get zero respect on this board. You have nothing to offer. Nothing.
Calling me names is respectful?
You have it wrong, you offer nothing, i've posted material that informs people, you resort to personal attacks, well, I can play the name calling game too.
Maybe you're experiencing personal problems that require you to vent on me. :0008
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I answered your question. Walker didn't outspend the recall dolts 8-1..
Between the unions , orgs and Falk-Barrett campaigns at least 30 MILLION was spent.
Get your facts correct.
You do not have a RIGHT to collectively bargain.
The state employees have been raping the Wisconsin Taxpayer for 50 years, it's OVER!
Exploiting the overtime rules, no Insurance or Retirement contributions, overstaffing, WEAC overcharging Health Ins premiums , stacking over compensated sick days , Early retirement double dipping, etc etc..
They got exactly what they deserve for their blatant greedy manipulation of the system..
OFF YOU GO!!!!
