pearl harbor

[the addict]

AMC just aired the movie. Wow, first I have ever watched it. Unreal how it played out that day in pearl harborfor the U.S. people. I realize its cinema, but that facts are real. we lost a lot of people that day. i knw i sound crazy, but man i had so much anger towards the japanese when watching the scene where they bomb the harbor. really had me pissed.

i know its an older movie, but for anyone like me who has never seen it, i reccomend it for sure.


end of it was a tear jerker if you wanna watch it with the wifey:0074

cant believe i have never seen it til now...

hell of a cast....im sure it won awards, right?

 

[Cie]

I havent watched the movie.

I visited pearl harbor as a child, but got little out of it. When I visited last year, i felt intense anger towards the Japanese. In fact, it pissed me off that there were so many Japanese frolicking around the place taking photos. My kids want to visit the submarine, so I'll be back at pearl harbor Easter week, but were it up to me I wouldn't go.

 

[Hashish]

Before you get too pissed about the Japanese actions of almost 70 years ago, ask yourself this: What would the United States do today if another country put a complete naval blockade of all oil shipments around it?

Sneak attack, my ass.

 

[Cie]

Before you get too pissed about the Japanese actions of almost 70 years ago, ask yourself this: What would the United States do today if another country put a complete naval blockade of all oil shipments around it?

Sneak attack, my ass.

I couldn't give a rat's ass about anything except for the horrific loss of life of our soldiers as depicted in the film they show at pearl harbor.

BTW, you will fit right in the poli forum. Feel free to head over there anytime.

 

[Betone]

I was stationed at pearl harbor over 30 years a go and it still pisses me off.:nono:

 

[Cie]

I was stationed at pearl harbor over 30 years a go and it still pisses me off.:nono:

Damn straight

 

[JT]

With the exception of special effects the movie 'Tora Tora Tora' was much better about this subject.

 

[Snafu]

There is a 1944 made movie about that raid over Tokyo, very recommended:

Thirty seconds over Tokyo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty_Seconds_Over_Tokyo

 

[the addict]

im with cie...

dont care what we were doing at the time, the loss of life and the way the japs went about it were disgusting. they lead the U.S to believe that they were friendly and a non-threat during communications with them, then bomb our fawking bases.

I have no problem with a country disagreeing with what we are doing, but do not lie to our face and do things so cowardly like you did.

people who were not even military lost their lives that day, which is truley tragic.

fuck i am still pissed about it...

 

[Hashish]

I couldn't give a rat's ass about anything except for the horrific loss of life of our soldiers as depicted in the film they show at pearl harbor.

BTW, you will fit right in the poli forum. Feel free to head over there anytime.

No thanks, I hate politics.

 

[the addict]

With the exception of special effects the movie 'Tora Tora Tora' was much better about this subject.

There is a 1944 made movie about that raid over Tokyo, very recommended:

Thirty seconds over Tokyo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty_Seconds_Over_Tokyo

gonna check em both out..

kinda ashamed to say that i do not know enough about our struggles/losses/triumphs during that time...

so glad i happened to tune into AMC right when it was starting too air.

I knw a lot of it was cinema, but i looked online and a lot of the movie was accurate.

 

[Agent 0659]

Do some real research and see how our gov't let this happen and you'll really be pissed.

 

[Hashish]

im with cie...

dont care what we were doing at the time, the loss of life and the way the japs went about it were disgusting. they lead the U.S to believe that they were friendly and a non-threat during communications with them, then bomb our fawking bases.

I have no problem with a country disagreeing with what we are doing, but do not lie to our face and do things so cowardly like you did.

people who were not even military lost their lives that day, which is truley tragic.

fuck i am still pissed about it...

The point I was trying to make, addict, is that this movie distorts history, like any Hollywood historical picture. You should never, ever let a movie be your history class, especially when the professor is Michael Bay. For the love of God, this is the man that couldn't even get The Transformers history right.

 

[Agent 0659]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yBd-gZvvsk

 

[the addict]

The point I was trying to make, addict, is that this movie distorts history, like any Hollywood historical picture. You should never, ever let a movie be your history class, especially when the professor is Michael Bay. For the love of God, this is the man that couldn't even get The Transformers history right.

ya i understand man :toast:

just meant i was with cie on the fact of how many lives we lost angers me...

i know its cinema man, but cant argue that 2500 ammericans died that day

 

[shawn555]

2402 people killed at Pearl Harbor.

So we bomb Hiroshima and kill over 90 thousand people and over 60 thousand at Nagasaki.

Jackassery on both sides if you ask me.

Cie to make up for it you can always take a trip to Hiroshima and take photos I am sure it will piss of some Japanese people as well.

 

[The Joker]

With the exception of special effects the movie 'Tora Tora Tora' was much better about this subject.

AGREE!!!!:0074

 

[Happy Hippo]

After just reading a book about WWII and talking to my grandfather a lot about the war, Pearl Harbor is a very sad event. However, I have been to the nuclear war museum in Los Alamos, and seen the pictures of Hiroshima and Nagasaki after we dropped the bombs on them. Whether or not the bombs were really necessary at this point in the war is highly questionable, but the amount of civilians that we killed, coupled with the long lasting effects of people with leukemia and other ailments, makes it one of the saddest moments in world history. If we look at it from the point of suffering with a global view, all events of war and suffering are rather sad.

 

[The Joker]

After just reading a book about WWII and talking to my grandfather a lot about the war, Pearl Harbor is a very sad event. However, I have been to the nuclear war museum in Los Alamos, and seen the pictures of Hiroshima and Nagasaki after we dropped the bombs on them. Whether or not the bombs were really necessary at this point in the war is highly questionable, but the amount of civilians that we killed, coupled with the long lasting effects of people with leukemia and other ailments, makes it one of the saddest moments in world history. If we look at it from the point of suffering with a global view, all events of war and suffering are rather sad.

Agree - it's fucked up.



From the movie Crimson Tide -

Hunter: No, sir, I do not. No, I just think that in the nuclear world the true enemy can't be destroyed.
Capt. Ramsey: [Chuckling, tapping glass] Attention on deck. Von Clausewitz will now tell us exactly who the real enemy is.
[Laughing]
Capt. Ramsey: Von?
[Men laughing]
Hunter: In my humble opinion, in the nuclear world, the true enemy is war itself.

 

[Hashish]

After just reading a book about WWII and talking to my grandfather a lot about the war, Pearl Harbor is a very sad event. However, I have been to the nuclear war museum in Los Alamos, and seen the pictures of Hiroshima and Nagasaki after we dropped the bombs on them. Whether or not the bombs were really necessary at this point in the war is highly questionable, but the amount of civilians that we killed, coupled with the long lasting effects of people with leukemia and other ailments, makes it one of the saddest moments in world history. If we look at it from the point of suffering with a global view, all events of war and suffering are rather sad.

It was a tragic moment in world history, but in actuality the dropping of the bomb is in no way questionable as a means of saving lives. The amount of civilians that died in the battle for Okinawa alone was far greater than the number that died, including all aftereffects, from both bombs. The fighting on the main islands would have been far more devastating to the troops, and the civilians in particular.

That being said, the dropping of the bomb on Nagasaki IS highly questionable and in my opinion one of the most horrible moments in American history. Some argue that the emperor was still reticent to surrender after Hiroshima, but I do not think the second bomb saved more lives than it took.

Speaking of grandfathers, mine was going to be one of the first wave to storm the beaches of Japan proper. It would have made Normandy look like a cakewalk. He says to this day that, "I would get down on my knees and kiss Harry Truman's feet for dropping the bomb."

He actually got me interested in Japan, and I minored in Japanese in college. I took many Japanese-American history classes in college, so I know a fair bit about the relationship of our two countries.