Do you think the heat would ever entertain firing Ron Jeremy and hiring Phil Jackson? Especially if Miami lost game 7
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For one, Ron Jeremy as you call him cannot get fired for taking his team to at least the ECF and they are a favorite to go to the finals. He showed he can coach last year even before Shaq got there.
If you truly believe conspiracy theories, entertain the Heat winning the title and Shaq heading north to New York. Jackson would love to coach there and Shaq would love to play for him.
Besides salary cap, and contract issues which I'm sure would make this slightly next to impossible, I think Shaq has taken a real liking to Wade and enjoys playing with him. If he didn't I could definitely see this scenario. It's no secret the NBA wants the knicks competitive. Would love to see it, but probably won't happen. It could though in the NBA......
If you truly believe conspiracy theories, entertain the Heat winning the title and Shaq heading north to New York. Jackson would love to coach there and Shaq would love to play for him.
Besides salary cap, and contract issues which I'm sure would make this slightly next to impossible, I think Shaq has taken a real liking to Wade and enjoys playing with him. If he didn't I could definitely see this scenario. It's no secret the NBA wants the knicks competitive. Would love to see it, but probably won't happen. It could though in the NBA......
You want a conspiracy theory? :mj07:
How about Shaq coming back to Lakers with Phil Jackson. Kobe/Shaq/Lakers planned this all to get more talent on team. If Shaq came back Lakers would be a lock to win multiple titles again. No question. Nothing against rules on Shaq coming back to Lakers. Shaq can say him and Kobe worked things out etc. Lakers NEVER were going to get talent on team if Shaq stayed. Think about it, you could try and make sense out of it but very unlikely of this having any merit. Of course Shaq could be paid highest in NBA but he could be willing to take less $$$ for fame! Plus he could retire as Laker which he prob. thought he always would.
Don't rule this out and you heard it here first!
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How about Shaq coming back to Lakers with Phil Jackson. Kobe/Shaq/Lakers planned this all to get more talent on team. If Shaq came back Lakers would be a lock to win multiple titles again. No question. Nothing against rules on Shaq coming back to Lakers. Shaq can say him and Kobe worked things out etc. Lakers NEVER were going to get talent on team if Shaq stayed. Think about it, you could try and make sense out of it but very unlikely of this having any merit. Of course Shaq could be paid highest in NBA but he could be willing to take less $$$ for fame! Plus he could retire as Laker which he prob. thought he always would.
Don't rule this out and you heard it here first!
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Not all about the conspiracy theories. I just know Shaq liked playing for Jackson,so why not bring him to Miami.
Detroit fired Carlisle after a great season to bring in someone to take them to the next level. If miami loses, why not bring in Jackson to take them to the next level?
I personally think Shaq will finish his career in Miami, I don't think he will play more than 2 more years. That being said, why move, he has everything he needs in Miami
Detroit fired Carlisle after a great season to bring in someone to take them to the next level. If miami loses, why not bring in Jackson to take them to the next level?
I personally think Shaq will finish his career in Miami, I don't think he will play more than 2 more years. That being said, why move, he has everything he needs in Miami
I am waiting to see how the Laker soap opera plays out. Kobe has come off as a spoiled superstar with an out of control ego. Phil Jackson seems contrived and attention starved. Buss wants to come off as the one in control, but the empire in crumbling even as we speak. Why would Shaq ever want to be in that mess?
As I posted earlier, I think it will be very hard for the Lakers to make the playoffs, next season. ...And what's up with the coaching hire? They have had plenty of time.
If Phil Jackson goes to the Lakers, it will be the first time he coaches a team that isn't loaded. It will be a challenge, especially as he and Kobe can't stand each other.
Teams that have been getting hammered by Phil Jackson and the Lakers are going to be licking their chops.
As I posted earlier, I think it will be very hard for the Lakers to make the playoffs, next season. ...And what's up with the coaching hire? They have had plenty of time.
If Phil Jackson goes to the Lakers, it will be the first time he coaches a team that isn't loaded. It will be a challenge, especially as he and Kobe can't stand each other.
Teams that have been getting hammered by Phil Jackson and the Lakers are going to be licking their chops.
Coug LJ
Lakers had new team last year with only 1 superstar on it going into season.
#1 problem with Lakers was defense. Fix that and Kobe not getting injured and Lakers "might" have been a playoff team. Scoring wasn't a problem but they played HORRIBLE defense. Lakers as a team suffered a lot of injuries too along with a coaching change.
Jackson comes he should improve defense dramatically and injuries prob. won't occurr again at same rate. Plus Lakers have the #10 draft pick (deep draft) so they will get a player who def. will be expected to contribute. If he doesn't, FIRE CUPCAKE!
Maybe Phil Jackson can give ODOM confidence and killer instinct to reach to his talent level. Odom has superstar talent but he doesn't have killer instinct. Way too passive. If that happens, WATCH OUT! Kobe, Odom, Butler, #10 draft pick and free cap room (in a year)? Very solid team and thats why Jackson is prob. coming back. (along with his gf)
After a year, Lakers will have cap room and be able to get another superstar next to Kobe and contend for NBA championships. (maybe have 3 superstars if Odom plays to his potential) Lakers prevented themselves from becoming the next Bulls and Celtic organizations. Fans in LA do not support bad teams. No loyalty. Attendance would drop like crazy and prob. be a lot more Clipper fans.
Lakers had new team last year with only 1 superstar on it going into season.
#1 problem with Lakers was defense. Fix that and Kobe not getting injured and Lakers "might" have been a playoff team. Scoring wasn't a problem but they played HORRIBLE defense. Lakers as a team suffered a lot of injuries too along with a coaching change.
Jackson comes he should improve defense dramatically and injuries prob. won't occurr again at same rate. Plus Lakers have the #10 draft pick (deep draft) so they will get a player who def. will be expected to contribute. If he doesn't, FIRE CUPCAKE!
Maybe Phil Jackson can give ODOM confidence and killer instinct to reach to his talent level. Odom has superstar talent but he doesn't have killer instinct. Way too passive. If that happens, WATCH OUT! Kobe, Odom, Butler, #10 draft pick and free cap room (in a year)? Very solid team and thats why Jackson is prob. coming back. (along with his gf)
After a year, Lakers will have cap room and be able to get another superstar next to Kobe and contend for NBA championships. (maybe have 3 superstars if Odom plays to his potential) Lakers prevented themselves from becoming the next Bulls and Celtic organizations. Fans in LA do not support bad teams. No loyalty. Attendance would drop like crazy and prob. be a lot more Clipper fans.
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Scott4USC said:
Shaq is going nowhere near LA. He hates the way Jerry Buss treated him. He holds grudges. Always has, always will (kobe, hardaway). He's not in love with money as the rest of the NBA is although he has more than anyone. He really seems to be a decent guy. He actually is very smart even though the majority thinks he is dumb. He just sounds dumb, but believe me his SAT scores taken today would be higher than the good majority of this board. He does however have a history of not forgetting people that mess with him. He will never forgive Kobe, nor will he ever forgive the Laker organization as a whole. When he originally went to LA, his plan was probably to retire there, but I can guarantee you if he gets a ring with Miami this year, or another year, he will head to the hall of fame in a Miami jersey. Players can pick their jersey and if he wins even one championship elsewhere, he won't wear a Laker one. He really hates the way they treated him and won't forget.
Like I said, I am surprised Phil Jackson hasn't been named the Laker Coach, already. That suggests complications. Also, when the Detroit job opens up, that is a very good position opening on the board. I think that Phil would prefer L.A., but it just might not be in the cards. Buss might be fearful he would write another book.
The Lakers DID play horrible defense last year. I don't know how much that could change without a radical transformation of personnel. Other complications are that Odom is best when he has the ball, but that doesn't jive with Kobe. ...And why would a superstar want to go to L.A. and play second fiddle to Kobe?
Meanwhile, the rest of the West isn't going to just roll over and let the Lakers take over. San Antonio, Phoenix, Dallas, Houston, Denver look to be solid for awhile. Not to mention teams like Seattle, Memphis and Minnesota.
And, Scott, as you mentioned, there is no more Jerry West putting the pieces together. Boston has been trying to get it right for fifteen years. It may be the Lakers turn to mire in mediocrity. At least, you have SC.
The Lakers DID play horrible defense last year. I don't know how much that could change without a radical transformation of personnel. Other complications are that Odom is best when he has the ball, but that doesn't jive with Kobe. ...And why would a superstar want to go to L.A. and play second fiddle to Kobe?
Meanwhile, the rest of the West isn't going to just roll over and let the Lakers take over. San Antonio, Phoenix, Dallas, Houston, Denver look to be solid for awhile. Not to mention teams like Seattle, Memphis and Minnesota.
And, Scott, as you mentioned, there is no more Jerry West putting the pieces together. Boston has been trying to get it right for fifteen years. It may be the Lakers turn to mire in mediocrity. At least, you have SC.
what about phil jackson coming to detroit? ive heard some rumors. we know larry wont be there next year.
its either phil jackson or flip saunders. dumars and phil can run a nice team. i wonder if phil can put sheed in his place. probably not.
i love LB. im going to shed a tear when he goes. i love his press conferences as he grabs and pulls on his ear lobe saying " rip was phenominal tonight" "sheed was excellent"
its either phil jackson or flip saunders. dumars and phil can run a nice team. i wonder if phil can put sheed in his place. probably not.
i love LB. im going to shed a tear when he goes. i love his press conferences as he grabs and pulls on his ear lobe saying " rip was phenominal tonight" "sheed was excellent"
Now that Miami lost, I guess I will bring this up again. Stan Van Jeremy, got out-coached in the final minutes of that game. Larry Brown had the ball in his playmakers hands in the final 4 minutes, while Miami had Dooling jacking up shots.
Is there any talk that Phil would go to Miami?
Is there any talk that Phil would go to Miami?
what is your hatred with Stan Van Jeremy as you like to call him. why do you think he is a bad coach. Shaq absolutely loves the guy and so does Wade. They lost because in crunch time the Pistons played better. Period, no excuses. Larry Brown is a really good coach. Why the love with Phil Jackson. The jury is still out on him as he has never coached a championship team without Shaq or Jordan. He went through growing pains with the bulls when he first started. There is no reason to think Van Gundy cannot compete for a championship next year. He wasn't the reason the heat lost.
i'll give you he might look like Ron Jeremy, but to say he can't coach when after last year and this year his team has continued to grow is silly.
i'll give you he might look like Ron Jeremy, but to say he can't coach when after last year and this year his team has continued to grow is silly.
I have no problems with Van Gundy. I just know Shaq was a big fan of Jackson, basically because he gave him the ball.
I never said SVG can't coach, just like with Carlisle, sometime you need the coach that can get you the 'big win'. Phil has proven he can win big game and 1) Miami being so close and 2) with Shaq's years numbered, why not go after him.
I do think Stan gor out-coached last night. Every show is slamming him for not giving the ball to Shaq at the end of the game.
I never said SVG can't coach, just like with Carlisle, sometime you need the coach that can get you the 'big win'. Phil has proven he can win big game and 1) Miami being so close and 2) with Shaq's years numbered, why not go after him.
I do think Stan gor out-coached last night. Every show is slamming him for not giving the ball to Shaq at the end of the game.
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Van Gundy wanted the ball to go to Shaq as well. I think he has done a great job in Miami. Almost everyone on Miami's starting five had an injury, that was the biggest reason why they lost. And I don't think Van Gundy got out-coached by Larry Brown. ...By the way, Larry Brown had a reputation for NOT winning the "big" game until last year.
Coaches are geniuses until they lose a series and then they get "out-coached." We'll see what box we check for Larry Brown in a couple of weeks.
Coaches are geniuses until they lose a series and then they get "out-coached." We'll see what box we check for Larry Brown in a couple of weeks.
its illuminating that the biggest play of the game turned on fortune ... Piston's ran their curl for Rip in final 70 seconds leading 80-79 and it wasnt there so they went to TP on left wing ... he held ball for a while and decided to make gutsy drive to hole, shaq challenged the shot and TP missed, the rebound (as I rewatched the play about 5xs in slow motion) 'happened' to hit the right side of the rim and kick to the only place that would help give Deet the eastern crown, right to Rasheed on the opposite side of the rim who was staying with the play like any battler would ... the rest is history ...
sure, Heat needed to score again to win, but my point is games often come down to good bounces--these teams were so equal that the series wasn't settled until game 7 and on a huge (less than 50/50) bounce that certainly helped Deet sew it up ... If the heat woulda held on many scribes would be talking about the fortunate trey the Heat got before half ...
I applaud SVG ... I think his teams played good D and competed each night I watched them ...
The saddest play of the game was DJ trying to penetrate in final 2 mins when heat led by 2 and had the ball; DJ committed cardinal sin and got off feet instead of re-feeding Shaq (is that SVG's fault or a vet's like DJ's?) and TP tipped steal to Deet ... Coaches get always get too much credit and too much blame ...
DJ made a dumb play and he would be first to admit it; I feel badly for him, Shaq's his tightest bud on the team ... I hope the city of Miami appreciates the great year their team has enjoyed.
have a great day
gregg
sure, Heat needed to score again to win, but my point is games often come down to good bounces--these teams were so equal that the series wasn't settled until game 7 and on a huge (less than 50/50) bounce that certainly helped Deet sew it up ... If the heat woulda held on many scribes would be talking about the fortunate trey the Heat got before half ...
I applaud SVG ... I think his teams played good D and competed each night I watched them ...
The saddest play of the game was DJ trying to penetrate in final 2 mins when heat led by 2 and had the ball; DJ committed cardinal sin and got off feet instead of re-feeding Shaq (is that SVG's fault or a vet's like DJ's?) and TP tipped steal to Deet ... Coaches get always get too much credit and too much blame ...
DJ made a dumb play and he would be first to admit it; I feel badly for him, Shaq's his tightest bud on the team ... I hope the city of Miami appreciates the great year their team has enjoyed.
have a great day
gregg
PT,
do you have the game on Tivo/Tape? If so, could you do me a favor. On that Prince play you were talking about, does Prince pull haslem (I think it was haslem). I only saw the high-lights on ESPN, but I swear it looks like tayshaun tries to pull haslem.
do you have the game on Tivo/Tape? If so, could you do me a favor. On that Prince play you were talking about, does Prince pull haslem (I think it was haslem). I only saw the high-lights on ESPN, but I swear it looks like tayshaun tries to pull haslem.
snoozer said:
The plays that were run at the end of the game were garbage. I could have designed a few better plays. The one play at the end which actually was good was when there was 15seconds left and Wade threw it to Shaq to a quick dunk.... Other than that, the last 4 minute of the game had pooring designed plays.
Forget the porn star coach. Getting Phil is definately an upgrade but you never know if that will ever get done.
I did not mean to come accross saying SVG was a bad coach or anything like that. But in sports we have seen many times where a team fires a very good coach, for one that people perceive is better (Dungy in TB)...
I really don't follow Heat basketball that much, or know how the players/city like SVG. I was just throwing out the Jackson thing because Shaq alwaysseemed to be a big fan of his. I just remember hearing shaq saying he never wanted to play for another coach.
I really don't follow Heat basketball that much, or know how the players/city like SVG. I was just throwing out the Jackson thing because Shaq alwaysseemed to be a big fan of his. I just remember hearing shaq saying he never wanted to play for another coach.
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chuckdman said:
Just took a look at the play-by-play box score. Dooling made a basket to give them 70 with almost 10 minutes left. In the final 10 minutes, they had 3 baskets (all by Shaq - 1 with .15 left). Their other 6 points were from the free throw (which they shot 6-12 during that time). During that time they also turned the ball over 6 times.
Stan Van Gundy seems like a good guy who has worked his way up to head coaching gig. I thought he did a very good job with the Heat last year and didn't miss a beat this year.
Considering four of his five starters were injured either before or during the Piston series, I thought he did a great job. And while I agree that Shaq didn't get the ball enough down the stretch, I am sure he wanted him to get the ball more often as well. The reason I am sure, is because I heard him say it during the post-game show.
As for Phil Jackson, my recollection is that he didn't fare too well against the Pistons the last time he played them in a series.
The Heat have a lot to look forward to.
Considering four of his five starters were injured either before or during the Piston series, I thought he did a great job. And while I agree that Shaq didn't get the ball enough down the stretch, I am sure he wanted him to get the ball more often as well. The reason I am sure, is because I heard him say it during the post-game show.
As for Phil Jackson, my recollection is that he didn't fare too well against the Pistons the last time he played them in a series.
The Heat have a lot to look forward to.
snoozer, i only taped the last 4 mins but ur right, I do recall noticing TP tugged on haslem, I will watch it again and concentrate on that ... I usually tape games to watch what plays coaches favor at key moments and out of time outs then see how they execute them and who's alert on D
