Pit bull saves his friend

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https://youtu.be/EdATbf5w2YM

Anybody feel free to post the playable link (I can't from my phone).

Question for all. In this neighborhood where the coyotes are numerous, and the pets/companions are in danger, do you have a problem with them being managed (trapped/hunted/killed)? I searched more, and it looks like the pit bull/cat episode was in Tampa Bay, Florida which is not the historical range of the coyote but obviously an area where they are now abundant as is the whole country.

I have dearly loved many pets, and I would be grief stricken if one of them ever was killed by a coyote in his own backyard. Does anybody think its not ok to kill them where they pose this threat?
 

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https://youtu.be/EdATbf5w2YM

Anybody feel free to post the playable link (I can't from my phone).

Question for all. In this neighborhood where the coyotes are numerous, and the pets/companions are in danger, do you have a problem with them being managed (trapped/hunted/killed)? I searched more, and it looks like the pit bull/cat episode was in Tampa Bay, Florida which is not the historical range of the coyote but obviously an area where they are now abundant as is the whole country.

I have dearly loved many pets, and I would be grief stricken if one of them ever was killed by a coyote in his own backyard. Does anybody think its not ok to kill them where they pose this threat?

My dog would fuck a coyote up, but then again I have a pretty bad ass dog.

Yeah IMO I don't believe in killing any animals. So if there any way around killing a coyote I would not do it. instead I think a better option is to build a fence to keep coyotes out of your yard
 

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https://youtu.be/EdATbf5w2YM

Anybody feel free to post the playable link (I can't from my phone).

Question for all. In this neighborhood where the coyotes are numerous, and the pets/companions are in danger, do you have a problem with them being managed (trapped/hunted/killed)? I searched more, and it looks like the pit bull/cat episode was in Tampa Bay, Florida which is not the historical range of the coyote but obviously an area where they are now abundant as is the whole country.

I have dearly loved many pets, and I would be grief stricken if one of them ever was killed by a coyote in his own backyard. Does anybody think its not ok to kill them where they pose this threat?
Good topic Clint, appreciate the video as well.

I'm sitting here waiting on my mom to get out of her colonoscopy she has to have yearly now. Sucks that she's getting old. Anyway, to your topic.



This is a hard topic for me because I do see the need for some type of predator management from time to time, when you're talking about communities and such. I also think there are far better ways to do it other than allowing the shooting if them up to the average indiscriminate citizen. Historically, they have all led to problems, every single one, and in every case it's the animal that suffers needlessly. Yes if a coyote attacked a family member or pet, I'd have no problem with putting it down to save my pet. However, I'd also only do so as a last resort. Most likely I wouldn't have a rifle within arms length during an attack and my reaction would be to run at the coyote before it would be to take the time to go get a rifle. If I scared it away I wouldn't hunt it down as a result either.
I have friends that go to another guys ranch in Stratford TX and shoot prairie dogs for a weekend. They are everywhere and their burrowed homes can injure the stock as well as being notorious for carriers of disease. I do understand the owners desire to get rid of them, I don't understand the elation it brings to my friends. Twice I've allowed my friend Larry to borrow my 50 cal Barrett to take with them and they think it's the greatest fun ever to see who can make the longest shot. It obliterates the target obviously and they get all giddy over that. Not my thing. With the near extinction of indigenous wolves due to "wildlife managemwnt" programs I have yet to see any programs, when left up to private citizens, that hasn't resulted in overzealous bloodlust. That's where it fails for me. I've seen where people have hung numerous carcasses of coyotes in fences and trees accompanied by a handwritten sign "coyotes beware" or something, as if coyotes can read. I find that to be sickening. That isn't wildlife management, just undisciplined bloodlust. If there was any possible way for everyone to understand we have displaced or destroyed the habitat of those animals. That's why they're there. I'm not sympathetic to a rancher losing a calf to a wolf. The wolf was there before the ranch, the owner chose the location with full knowledge of the predators existence. If they can be reimbursed for their loss through insurance or subsidies paid to them, than so be it. Just like I account for broken, lost, stolen materials and tooling in my business, so can they. I see zero sense in having organized or open kills or hunts. The rancher would have no problem killing every last one if they could. To me, you're killing just to kill something and it's wrong in my opinion. Maybe try relocation of the animals to a state park or sanctuary but just killing them, no can do. If you really think about it, or the paw on the foot. Farmer shoots wolf, pack leader is like......wtf? These people are killing us, how about we organize a hunt and just start killing them all. Of course I realize that is a ridiculous analogy but no more ridiculous than the proven history of man's wanton destruction of earth's fauna and flora. If it was allowed to kill coyotes on sight, I assure you we'd soon be talking about their extinction. Human beings kill for pleasure, it's not the only reason we kill, but certainly a prevalent one. We can't be trusted to exercise judgement, show compassion, or even consider the consequences exacted upon the environment. We still have climate change denying going on, poachers, captured game hunts, all because human beings are too stupid or too greedy to protect their own future and environment. I know, it's a long reply but it's a complicated topic as well. Good post.



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I have coyotes right in my back yard and I have a little dog and a husky so they don't screw around but if I had one that I thought was a threat to my dog then I would kill it. Now I know guys who go around killing coyotes just because they kill the game they like to kill. Not a fan of that, just like I'm not a fan of people using dogs to chase bears up a tree for people to shoot them. People here are already losing dogs to wolves training them to chase bears. I say I feel sorry for the dogs but no the owners.

I should say I have a pack of wolves here too, They are protected out of season but it is legal to shoot one to protect your pets, you have to contact the DNR after. Neighbor hit a wolf cub the other night and was very upset.
 

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Good topic Clint, appreciate the video as well.

I'm sitting here waiting on my mom to get out of her colonoscopy she has to have yearly now. Sucks that she's getting old. Anyway, to your topic.



This is a hard topic for me because I do see the need for some type of predator management from time to time, when you're talking about communities and such. I also think there are far better ways to do it other than allowing the shooting if them up to the average indiscriminate citizen. Historically, they have all led to problems, every single one, and in every case it's the animal that suffers needlessly. Yes if a coyote attacked a family member or pet, I'd have no problem with putting it down to save my pet. However, I'd also only do so as a last resort. Most likely I wouldn't have a rifle within arms length during an attack and my reaction would be to run at the coyote before it would be to take the time to go get a rifle. If I scared it away I wouldn't hunt it down as a result either.
I have friends that go to another guys ranch in Stratford TX and shoot prairie dogs for a weekend. They are everywhere and their burrowed homes can injure the stock as well as being notorious for carriers of disease. I do understand the owners desire to get rid of them, I don't understand the elation it brings to my friends. Twice I've allowed my friend Larry to borrow my 50 cal Barrett to take with them and they think it's the greatest fun ever to see who can make the longest shot. It obliterates the target obviously and they get all giddy over that. Not my thing. With the near extinction of indigenous wolves due to "wildlife managemwnt" programs I have yet to see any programs, when left up to private citizens, that hasn't resulted in overzealous bloodlust. That's where it fails for me. I've seen where people have hung numerous carcasses of coyotes in fences and trees accompanied by a handwritten sign "coyotes beware" or something, as if coyotes can read. I find that to be sickening. That isn't wildlife management, just undisciplined bloodlust. If there was any possible way for everyone to understand we have displaced or destroyed the habitat of those animals. That's why they're there. I'm not sympathetic to a rancher losing a calf to a wolf. The wolf was there before the ranch, the owner chose the location with full knowledge of the predators existence. If they can be reimbursed for their loss through insurance or subsidies paid to them, than so be it. Just like I account for broken, lost, stolen materials and tooling in my business, so can they. I see zero sense in having organized or open kills or hunts. The rancher would have no problem killing every last one if they could. To me, you're killing just to kill something and it's wrong in my opinion. Maybe try relocation of the animals to a state park or sanctuary but just killing them, no can do. If you really think about it, or the paw on the foot. Farmer shoots wolf, pack leader is like......wtf? These people are killing us, how about we organize a hunt and just start killing them all. Of course I realize that is a ridiculous analogy but no more ridiculous than the proven history of man's wanton destruction of earth's fauna and flora. If it was allowed to kill coyotes on sight, I assure you we'd soon be talking about their extinction. Human beings kill for pleasure, it's not the only reason we kill, but certainly a prevalent one. We can't be trusted to exercise judgement, show compassion, or even consider the consequences exacted upon the environment. We still have climate change denying going on, poachers, captured game hunts, all because human beings are too stupid or too greedy to protect their own future and environment. I know, it's a long reply but it's a complicated topic as well. Good post.



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There are hunting shows that show these fucking yahoos shooting these prairie dogs, they pretty much obliterate them. I understand why but like you said these guys are yucking it up like the team they put a dime on just covered for fuck sakes. I hate the lack of compassion people have for living things. I am a hypocrite, I kill a ton a fish, I do somewhat feel sorry but then I think of all the fish I saved to make myself feel better.
 

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There are hunting shows that show these fucking yahoos shooting these prairie dogs, they pretty much obliterate them. I understand why but like you said these guys are yucking it up like the team they put a dime on just covered for fuck sakes. I hate the lack of compassion people have for living things. I am a hypocrite, I kill a ton a fish, I do somewhat feel sorry but then I think of all the fish I saved to make myself feel better.
True story. Was fishing a tournament on Amistad. Qualified to fish last day, had a camera boat following and cameraman in the boat. I was on an early reaction bite and was killing it. In tournaments you can weigh in five fish. You can cull (trade out of your livewell) a smaller live fish for a bigger live fish at any time. You cannot cull a fish that dies in your livewell. Within 25 minutes of last day I had 4 good fish going about 18.5 pounds total weight. I stick a solid for 4 pounder. Get her to the boat and see she's gullett hooked. Swallowed a 4/0 extra wide gap worm hook. The best chance that fish had to live was for me to never boat her and cut the line as close as I could. That's exactly what I did and the cameraman and followers let it a collective gasp. I knew I'd catch another fish, never occurred to me to boat that fish knowing full well it would die in the low pressure of my livewell. Keep in mind, I don't eat fish, I hate it. I won't harvest fish for anyone unless a harmful species. You can do it all you want, but I'm not going to because I have no reason too. Bringing home fish for others that are just going to freeze it anyway isn't what I want to do. Don't care about anyone else or what they want to do.
Anyway, I never caught another keeper and lost by .2 pounds. Was a boat and $17K. split srcond decision. I was disappointed but only in that I should have caught another fish. Still don't regret it.

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Good topic Clint, appreciate the video as well.

I'm sitting here waiting on my mom to get out of her colonoscopy she has to have yearly now. Sucks that she's getting old. Anyway, to your topic.



This is a hard topic for me because I do see the need for some type of predator management from time to time, when you're talking about communities and such. I also think there are far better ways to do it other than allowing the shooting if them up to the average indiscriminate citizen. Historically, they have all led to problems, every single one, and in every case it's the animal that suffers needlessly. Yes if a coyote attacked a family member or pet, I'd have no problem with putting it down to save my pet. However, I'd also only do so as a last resort. Most likely I wouldn't have a rifle within arms length during an attack and my reaction would be to run at the coyote before it would be to take the time to go get a rifle. If I scared it away I wouldn't hunt it down as a result either.
I have friends that go to another guys ranch in Stratford TX and shoot prairie dogs for a weekend. They are everywhere and their burrowed homes can injure the stock as well as being notorious for carriers of disease. I do understand the owners desire to get rid of them, I don't understand the elation it brings to my friends. Twice I've allowed my friend Larry to borrow my 50 cal Barrett to take with them and they think it's the greatest fun ever to see who can make the longest shot. It obliterates the target obviously and they get all giddy over that. Not my thing. With the near extinction of indigenous wolves due to "wildlife managemwnt" programs I have yet to see any programs, when left up to private citizens, that hasn't resulted in overzealous bloodlust. That's where it fails for me. I've seen where people have hung numerous carcasses of coyotes in fences and trees accompanied by a handwritten sign "coyotes beware" or something, as if coyotes can read. I find that to be sickening. That isn't wildlife management, just undisciplined bloodlust. If there was any possible way for everyone to understand we have displaced or destroyed the habitat of those animals. That's why they're there. I'm not sympathetic to a rancher losing a calf to a wolf. The wolf was there before the ranch, the owner chose the location with full knowledge of the predators existence. If they can be reimbursed for their loss through insurance or subsidies paid to them, than so be it. Just like I account for broken, lost, stolen materials and tooling in my business, so can they. I see zero sense in having organized or open kills or hunts. The rancher would have no problem killing every last one if they could. To me, you're killing just to kill something and it's wrong in my opinion. Maybe try relocation of the animals to a state park or sanctuary but just killing them, no can do. If you really think about it, or the paw on the foot. Farmer shoots wolf, pack leader is like......wtf? These people are killing us, how about we organize a hunt and just start killing them all. Of course I realize that is a ridiculous analogy but no more ridiculous than the proven history of man's wanton destruction of earth's fauna and flora. If it was allowed to kill coyotes on sight, I assure you we'd soon be talking about their extinction. Human beings kill for pleasure, it's not the only reason we kill, but certainly a prevalent one. We can't be trusted to exercise judgement, show compassion, or even consider the consequences exacted upon the environment. We still have climate change denying going on, poachers, captured game hunts, all because human beings are too stupid or too greedy to protect their own future and environment. I know, it's a long reply but it's a complicated topic as well. Good post.



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1) this is not the natural range of the coyote. We didn't have coyotes when I was growing up in the 70s either, but they are abundant now and in the suburbs and city all the time too.

2) having your cat or especially your dog taken from it's own yard and eaten by a coyote to me is a horrible thing. It's sickening.

3) I have never seen bloodlust towards coyotes that even came close to denting their populations. The things are everywhere and abundant. There is no risk of hurting their numbers. It's not like it's easy to just wander out and shoot one. They are very wary. I have never purposefully gone out hunting for them and been successful. I have unintentionally called in several while turkey hunting that were killed however. I had one attack my decoy. All of these were shot (or shot at) at a very close range.

4) FDC menrioned Wolves. I have many mixed emotions about that subject and won't comment further about it Bc I don't live in a wolf area.

5) if u have a small animal, they really aren't safe in most of the American suburbia. I have read that urban coyotes have a diet that is over 50% house pets. Coyotes are terrific opportunistic hunters. Why waste time digging up a mole when they can hop or dig under a fence and eat a tasty cat?
 
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