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They do have two bad losses. At MArshall in a total trap game, and in OT at home against LSU early in the yr. So no, they ain't perfect.

But everyone in CBB has flaws these days. Hell, UConn lost to Marquette and Duke just about lost to FSU at home. But how many teams have the caliber of wins that WVU has?

Time will tell, but in my eyes, these guys just get it done 95% of the time, regardless of the opposition or how they look doing it.
 

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GMan....

at some point we should discuss my belief that Michael Jordan is the most overrated player of all time.

Some would laugh...but of course he cant be UNDERRATED can he? Hence the issue with "overrated." WVa is certainly ranked higher than their RPI would justify, and looke to be slottted for a higher seed as well. Any team that loses to Marshall or eeks out a home win v Notre Dame has issues. Then again, this is one of the worst year's I recall sseing - everybody has issues and teams will get in the dance that arent deserving.

I have nothing against WVa. They made me some cash in last year's run. But they are the typical team this time of year nobody really wants to play, but at the same time isnt a real threat.
 

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JEFF said:
They do have two bad losses. At MArshall in a total trap game, and in OT at home against LSU early in the yr. So no, they ain't perfect.

But everyone in CBB has flaws these days. Hell, UConn lost to Marquette and Duke just about lost to FSU at home. But how many teams have the caliber of wins that WVU has?

Time will tell, but in my eyes, these guys just get it done 95% of the time, regardless of the opposition or how they look doing it.

i know where youre coming from, as no team is immaculate. but losing to marshall on a neutral court is inexcusable if you want to be considered a top 10 team. and like i said, pittsnogle guaranteed a win this year after wvu lost to marshall as DD favorites last year. so taking into account what pittsnogle said and considering the outcome of last years game, that wasnt exactly a game wvu overlooked.
 

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UConn, Texas, Northern Iowa, and Illinois, along with West Virginia, have 5 wins v RPI top 25. Not to be a homer, but texas' wins over Iowa (neutral), at memphis, and Nova look pretty damn good. And of course against the unstoppable Mountaineers. With the 3 losses to Duke tennessee and Oklahoma are hardly shameful either.
 

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The Marshall game was a bad loss but its one of those deals where t he in state rival always plays the big boys tough. In my mind that one bad loss does not overshadow countless wins against upper echelon teams. I forgot that they also smacked OU on the road by 25 pts.
 

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EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. ? For anyone who might have believed that the rigors of new fatherhood in some direct or indirect way were to blame for perhaps the worst night of Kevin Pittsnogle?s basketball life, think again.

The mental strain and the responsibility? Forget it. The guy is as happy as he?s ever been.

The physical strain, the sleepless nights caring for his 10-day-old son? They don?t exist.

?Actually, I?m not getting up at all [in the middle of the night],?? Pittsnogle said. ?I sleep through the night pretty well, get eight or 10 hours of sleep. We get up and I spend time with him during the day while Heather sleeps. We?ve got a great system going.??

So what, then, was at the root of that scoreless, foul-marred, turnover-plagued game Pittsnogle endured last Thursday when he and his West Virginia teammates lost their first ? and as yet only ? Big East basketball game, at Pitt?

?I just had a bad game,?? Pittsnogle said. ?Everybody wants to attribute it to having a baby. I think I just had a bad game at the wrong time and everybody is going to assume it?s something else.??

The assumption, of course, was natural. After all, we?re talking about a guy who for the past 12 months has done virtually nothing wrong, save for a couple of missed free throws that might have added yet another gold star to West Virginia?s resume with a win over Texas in late November. So when something like that 0-for-12er at Pitt jumps out of nowhere, doesn?t there have to be some underlying current of turmoil or angst?

Nah.

?Everybody tries to make excuses for me about why I had a bad game,?? Pittsnogle said. ?But ask me and I?ll tell you what the problem was. I just played horrible. It wasn?t a good game for me and I probably hurt us more than anybody on our team that night. I know what I did. I apologized to the team for playing so bad; not just shooting so bad but not even contributing in other ways.

?I think I just rushed everything. I was so into the game and I wanted to do so much I wound up shooting shots no matter what. If I was contested, uncontested, I was going to shoot. I forced a lot of shots and got out of a rhythm early and I couldn?t get back into it.??

Lest anyone believe that there was, in fact, something more than that to Pittsnogle?s brief funk ? the kind reminiscent of, but unseen since, the atrocious state high school tournament game he played as a senior at Martinsburg ? he put it to rest Sunday night in Washington. In the second of West Virginia?s three-game road trip that concludes tonight at Seton Hall, all Pittsnogle did was make 10-of-15 shots and score 25 points in a win over Georgetown.

And as if that wasn?t enough of a contribution, he also helped clog up the middle against the Hoyas. He so dominated 7-foot-2 Roy Hibbert that by the stretch run, when the game was decided, Georgetown had pulled Hibbert, coincidentally because he was as bad against the Mountaineers as was Pittsnogle at Pitt.

?I?ve changed, I hope,?? Pittsnogle said. ?Like [Sunday], I knew if I wasn?t going to make shots I was at least going to get rebounds and do other things.??

Turns out he did all things. So much for allowing one bad game to morph into a slump.

?It hasn?t been as bad as everybody seemed to think it would be,?? Pittsnogle said of the aftereffects of his Pittiful performance. ?I kind of forgot about the game as soon as it was over. I put it behind me and concentrated on my family. I just wanted to forget about basketball for a day or two.

?I just concentrated on getting with my family and having fun and getting back into the fun part of basketball and not worry about how many points I score or worry about what I?m doing. I?m worried about my team and how much we win.??

The fun part of basketball for Pittsnogle right now is just playing his last college games. While it seems like this dream of a season might last forever, the truth is the Mountaineers are guaranteed just eight more games ? six more in the regular season, one in the Big East tournament and then one in the NCAA tournament.

?We?ve only got a couple of games left in the regular season and who knows what the postseason holds??? Pittsnogle said. ?We only have five or six more games and I want to enjoy it while I can.??

The bottom line about not allowing the Pitt game to get to him, though, is that above all else Pittsnogle is at heart one of those shooting machines. If you?ve ever met a shooter who would let a slump ? no matter how long it lasts ? force him to stop shooting, then the guy isn?t really a shooter. It?s just not in a shooter?s mentality to pull back.

For the record, when Pittsnogle missed his first two shots against Georgetown on Sunday night, that made it a nice, round 20 bricks in a row reaching back to the second half of a home game against Cincinnati, in which he missed his last six shots. He wasn?t aware of the exact number, but he knew it was a big one.

?I thought about it for a second,?? Pittsnogle said. ?And then I thought, ?Wait, I?m too good a shooter to be missing this many shots. I?ll just keep shooting.??

That?s what shooters do, even in their sleep. And yes, Pittsnogle is getting plenty of that.

To contact staff writer Dave Hickman send e-mail to dphickman1@aol.com or call 348-1734.
 

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Sun Tzu, you sound like a pretty big UT homer.

Texas won at home against Nova, WVU beat them at Nova. Texas lost at OU, WVU pounded OU by 25 on the road. And that win over the juggernaut that is Iowa is really impressive.

Meanwhile, Texas is cominating a weak Big 12 while WVU has one loss in an unbelievable conference.

I'm not saying WVU is better than UT, but you're argument is WEAK.
 

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Jeff, that Iowa team is No 8 RPI. You are 18. Of course you know better. That "juggernaut" also has more wins than your team playing a stronger schedule.

And that home win v Nova was with 2 starters out. But I guess that isnt relevant.

And as much as the conference drags Texas down and the Big East carries WVa up, despite the only conference win of note being over Nova, your hillbillies are still well behind in both the computers and the human polls. Of course, those folks lack your objective wisdom.

Then again, maybe Texas would have lost to Marshall and LSU.
 

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gman2 said:
game was not at oklahoma, though the win was still impressive.

Was in OKCity. Generally a home game, although it was a doubleheader so half the crowd was Okie State and rooting against OU.
 

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And as much as the conference drags Texas down and the Big East carries WVa up, despite the only conference win of note being over Nova, your hillbillies are still well behind in both the computers and the human polls. Of course, those folks lack your objective wisdom.

Yeah, I guess the wins against red-hot Georgetown don't count. You may have heard of them, they'd won like 8 in a row including against Duke.

And you're little tidbit about the game being in OKC is hilarious. Yeah, I'm sure the crowd was pretty even, and I'm sure that had to do with the 25 POINT margin. I also guess the win at UCLA doesn't count.

I'd also like to know how the Big East is propping WVU up, when they have one loss in the Big East. I guess you believe the Big 12 is even close to being as good as the Big East. I'm sure Nebraska, ISU, Kansas, KSU, Missou, so and and so forth would fair really well in the Big East.

I can deal with discussing hoops with rationale people like Gman, even if I disagree, but homers drive me nuts.
 

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Where did I say the Big 12 is good? Is reading a problem for you? Maybe a little less time burning sofa and more time with the books would help. They are propping them up RPI wise, and the Big 12 takes Texas down in the same way. You want me to explain it further? I didnt realize it was so complicated.

You are the homer. I hardly am. I root for Texas but am the most critical of them, and pointed out what they have done to counter your nonsense, certainly not to prop them up. But let's not let facts get in the way.

And no, beating UCLA doesnt impress me this year. I didnt question with OU win, I simply said where it was played, which actually supported you in response to Gman, but you are too busy wanting to be disagreeable to see it.
 

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My point about the conferences was you say the Big East is propping WVU up, yet they only have one loss, by 4 pts to Pitt, in the Big East. So you must have meant the Big East isn't very good, since WVU is dominating their conference opponents, right?

I am not a homer. I never said UT isn't very good or that WVU is better. I just picked up your argument about WVU, such as the fans at the OU game, that's all. I could judge Texas by its blowout losses to Duke (neutral) and Tennessee (home), but I know teams have bad days. I do question the creampuff sked the Big 12 offers, but i think Texas will be a team to reckon with in the tourney.
 

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gman2 said:
they're soft, they sit on the perimeter, and they jack 3s all day. when they're falling, they can beat teams. but they are overmatched against physical teams -- see: texas, lsu, even kentucky. i give credit where its due and they had a nice win against oklahoma. but they are a prime candidate to get bounced by a midmajor on the opening weekend of the ncaas

you make a good point. They are not overrated in the sense that they dont deserve a good poll ranking, because they do with that record. They are overrated in the sense that they will be seeded too high for their own good in the tourney. WVU is a team that would have a better chance going far as a 6-7 seed, not a 3-5 seed because they wont get past the sweet 16 if so.
 
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Sun Tzu said:
You are the homer. I hardly am.

Holy crap, I read this 10 minutes ago and I'm still laughing

:lol2 :lol2 :lol2

No irony intended, but then I venture into the NCAA football forum and see a thread called "TEXAS FANS" and good ole "sonny" not only RESPONDS but he is the FIRST ONE to do so!

:fingerc: :talk:
 
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