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Many historians see little chance for McCain

David Paul Kuhn
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One week into the general election, the polls show a dead heat. But many presidential scholars doubt that John McCain stands much of a chance, if any.

Historians belonging to both parties offered a litany of historical comparisons that give little hope to the Republican. Several saw Barack Obama?s prospects as the most promising for a Democrat since Roosevelt trounced Hoover in 1932.

?This should be an overwhelming Democratic victory,? said Allan Lichtman, an American University presidential historian who ran in a Maryland Democratic senatorial primary in 2006. Lichtman, whose forecasting model has correctly predicted the last six presidential popular vote winners, predicts that this year, ?Republicans face what have always been insurmountable historical odds.? His system gives McCain a score on par with Jimmy Carter?s in 1980.

?McCain shouldn?t win it,? said presidential historian Joan Hoff, a professor at Montana State University and former president of the Center for the Study of the Presidency. She compared McCain?s prospects to those of Hubert Humphrey, whose 1968 loss to Richard Nixon resulted in large part from the unpopularity of sitting Democratic president Lyndon Johnson.

?It is one of the worst political environments for the party in power since World War II,? added Alan Abramowitz, a professor of public opinion and the presidency at Emory University. His forecasting model ? which factors in gross domestic product, whether a party has completed two terms in the White House and net presidential approval rating ? gives McCain about the same odds as Adlai Stevenson in 1952 and Carter in 1980 ? both of whom were handily defeated in elections that returned the presidency to the previously out-of-power party. ?It would be a pretty stunning upset if McCain won,? Abramowitz said.

What?s more, Republicans have held the presidency for all but 12 years since the South became solidly Republican in the realignment of 1968 ? which is among the longest runs with one party dominating in American history. ?These things go in cycles,? said presidential historian Robert Dallek, a professor at the University of California at Los Angeles. ?The public gets tired of one approach to politics. There is always a measure of optimism in this country, so they turn to the other party.?

That desire for change also tends to manifest itself at the end of a president?s second term. Only twice in the 20th century has a party won a third consecutive term in the White House, most recently in 1988, when George H.W. Bush replaced the term-limited Ronald Reagan, who was about twice as popular in the last year of his presidency as President George W. Bush is now.

But the biggest obstacle in McCain?s path may be running in the same party as the most unpopular president America has had since at least the advent of modern polling. Only Harry Truman and Nixon ? both of whom were dogged by unpopular wars abroad and political scandals at home ? have been nearly as unpopular in their last year in office, and both men?s parties lost the presidency in the following election.



Though the Democratic-controlled Congress is nearly as unpopular as the president, Lichtman says the Democrats? 2006 midterm wins resemble the midterm congressional gains of the out-party in 1966 and 1974, which both preceded a retaking of the White House two years later.

One of the few bright spots historians noted is that the public generally does not view McCain as a traditional Republican. And, as Republicans frequently point out, McCain is not an incumbent.

?Open-seat elections are somewhat different, so the referendum aspect is somewhat muted,? said James Campbell, a professor at the State University of New York at Buffalo who specializes in campaigns and elections.

?McCain would be in much better shape if Bush?s approval rating were at 45 to 50 percent,? Campbell continued. ?But the history is that in-party candidates are not penalized or rewarded to the same degree as incumbents.?

Campbell still casts McCain as the underdog. But he said McCain might have more appeal to moderates than Obama if the electorate decides McCain is ?center right? while Obama is ?far left.? Democrats have been repeatedly undone when their nominee was viewed as too liberal, and even as polls show a rise in the number of self-identified Democrats, there has been no corresponding increase in the number of self-identified liberals.

Campbell also notes that McCain may benefit from the Democratic divisions that were on display in the primary, as Republicans did in 1968, when Democratic divisions over the war in Vietnam dogged Humphrey and helped hand Nixon victory.

Still, many historians remain extremely skeptical about McCain?s prospects. ?I can?t think of an upset where the underdog faced quite the odds that McCain faces in this election,? said Sidney Milkis, a professor of presidential politics at the University of Virginia. Even "Truman didn?t face as difficult a political context as McCain.?
 

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--thats exact same thing Edward said--must have picked it up in "a group" meeting". :)

Their 1st sentence---

"One week into the general election, the polls show a dead heat. But many presidential scholars doubt that John McCain stands much of a chance, if any."

--anyone following primaries knows one characteristic stuck out--Obama always polled better than actual votes. He better have big lead in polls to be competative to my thinking.

I am big however a big believer in history and that it repeats--your historians misconception is there has been no time in history we had candidate with Obama's "intangibles" run for office.
 

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John - Georgie, they say I don't have a chance if I hang around you

Georgie - Naw , don't worry we will try the old
chad machine trick. That might work again.

John - Yeh but what if it doesnt ?

Georgie - Then your fawked.

 

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Some find that to be a good thing, and others . . .

correct bobby -would depend on whether your hope rides on Gov staying out of your affairs--or whether it lies in what he can take from some to give to others.

One iron clad fact--we sure know who overwhelming thinks it's a good thing to the tune of 90+%
;)

---and appears Hamas and other orgs have the pom poms out also :)
 

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mccain`s toast...the media khew this would be the case vs hillary or even bock.....that`s why they championed and endorsed him out the ying yang during the primaries....

now the poor little sod has nowhere to go...he`s abandoned conservatives....and his media bunky`s used him and will now kick him to the curb.....

he`s none to bright,i`m sorry to say...
 

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correct bobby -would depend on whether your hope rides on Gov staying out of your affairs--or whether it lies in what he can take from some to give to others.

One iron clad fact--we sure know who overwhelming thinks it's a good thing to the tune of 90+%
;)

---and appears Hamas and other orgs have the pom poms out also :)

even if black america is on obamas side @ the tune of 90 + % and they should be... who else should they vote for ? What have the dems or the reps done for them ? what have the dems or reps done for middle class or poor white america ? even if he gets 90% of the balck vote.... obama can not win the WH without, white money or the white vote.... that's the bottom line... so why try and paint an obama potential win black ? it can't happen .
 

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i think everybody should vote according to race/gender/sexual orientation/religion/left handed-right handed,etc............

this way,one doesn`t have to do to much thinking....:rolleyes:
 

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even if black america is on obamas side @ the tune of 90 + % and they should be... who else should they vote for ? What have the dems or the reps done for them ? what have the dems or reps done for middle class or poor white america ? even if he gets 90% of the balck vote.... obama can not win the WH without, white money or the white vote.... that's the bottom line... so why try and paint an obama potential win black ? it can't happen .

Wait wait, DTB didn't actually say he was talking about blacks. Maybe we should give him a chance to clarify before jumping to conclusions like this.;)
 

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this guy has raised more money from more people in the history of american politics and you still want to talk about his black support.... what about his green/white support ? you can't figure that out can you ? you are a very smart guy and you bet against him in the primaries... not only you but every talking head and every wash insider... reminds me of the rams/ pats sb. you are going to carry your line of thinking untill the #'s come in. everything telling you something you don't want to see. it's not to late to step aside. win or lose the country is headed in a new direction... it's not about right or left... or policy.. it's about those fake inflation #'s and food cost and gas cost and everything americans buy cost. we went fron carter to reagan/bush to clinton to bush to _______ ... the american people don't know what too do so they go the other way.
 
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lets just cut to the chase : for every person that votes against obama because he is not black enough or black..... there will be support to override them. people are going to vote for him because .... he's the outsiders outsider. or as close to it as it gets with a chance at the prize.....wild card : confused white middle america with nothing to lose trying to hold on... how can they vote for mccain ? bush killed them the last 8 yrs. i talk to these people every day... it's going to be hard but the swing vote is all he needs.
 

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One iron clad fact--we sure know who overwhelming thinks it's a good thing to the tune of 90+%
;)

---and appears Hamas and other orgs have the pom poms out also :)

...........................................................

I am of swedish decent.

My Grandfather used to tell me, if someone will talk bad about blacks or Jewish people to your face, you can be sure when you are out of range they will also be calling you a no good swede sum bitch.

I loved my Grandfather.

what wisdom he handed down to me. It goes
to character and the heart of integrity not to
be a half ass backstabbing dipstick.
 
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