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From my fav columnist-- Charles Krauthammer

You might dismiss The New York Times' Paul Krugman's complaint that "the Obama campaign seems dangerously close to becoming a cult of personality" as hyperbole. Until you hear Chris Matthews, who no longer has the excuse of youth, react to Obama's Potomac primary victory speech with "My, I felt this thrill going up my leg." When his MSNBC co-hosts tried to bail him out, he refused to recant. Not surprising for an acolyte who said that Obama "comes along, and he seems to have the answers. This is the New Testament."

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This is the full quote from Mathews'
http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/brad-wilmouth/2008/02/13/matthews-obama-speech-caused-thrill-going-my-leg

" I have to tell you, you know, it's part of reporting this case, this election, the feeling most people get when they hear Barack Obama's speech. My, I felt this thrill going up my leg. I mean, I don't have that too often. No, seriously. It's a dramatic event. He speaks about America in a way that has nothing to do with politics. It has to do with the feeling we have about our country. And that is an objective assessment. "

Like many books, this is the last paragraph I typed. Being my first post in the political forum, I may have gone above and beyond the call of insanity. I find this forum on MJ's to be the 2nd most passionate, next to Sports Teams and their fans. It is fascinating to read passion and that is what I see when I read through this forum.

It might be his objective assessment or Obama may have promised Mathews the White House Press correspondent position, doesn't matter. It is undeniable that Obama has been successful gaining votes and money based on his oral description of what he believes America can be.

To be quite cynical, In our day and age of, "You're either with us or against us" You must take a hard lined stance against hope, to be anti-Obama. The easy response is, "I'm not against hope, I'm just being a realist." Yet we debate on a website where you find posts about wagering on Money Line underdogs. Hoping that the long shot comes through and I'll be damned, sometimes, it happens. So call it faith or call it risk, that's what you have to wager on hope.

So now I wait for some period of time and someone, smarter than me, responds with a compelling reason of why this is idealistic rhetoric with no real world application. I can buy that, I really can but it leads me to what I believe is my best argument for voting for Obama.

We are on the brink of post modern civilization revolution. I live in a country that I am both one of us and one of them. The election debacle of 2000 focused on hanging chads instead of the States of America Divided. That election showed that both halves of voting Americans thought that they knew what was best for the direction of the country. Neither Gore nor Bush stood a chance after that election. Half of the voters were going to feel cheated and we (The American Population) would further develop the us/them mentality. Less thee be a true independent you are both them and us and when broken down into a line item moral list, even the true independents fall into categories that aren't labeled pros and cons, they are labeled us or them (better known as liberal/conservative). We coexist, They are on PTA's, they umpire youth baseball, they are our neighbor's. They hold doors for people going into a building and they say thank you. They watch Nascar and they also cry at the end of Old Yeller. We talk about them and they talk about us, yet we still, albeit damn near improbable, coexist. How much easier this world would be, if we just had those glasses that Rowdy Roddy Piper had in the movie, "They Live" that showed us who they were.

Which brings me off of the soap box and down to, "a vote for means." A vote for McCain means that half of the people feel like we are going in the same direction as we are now and like it or not, half of the people hate where we are now. Personally, albeit a hindsight moment, I thought that the McCain of 8 years ago was the right person to bring us to the middle, ala together. And he was against internet gambling on collegiate sports at that time.

A vote for Clinton presents a polar shift which means those that feel shat upon now are vindicated and banish the they's to eternal (4 to 8 years) of damnation. Call Obama idealistic, but universal health care (something I believe is the right thing to do) will be an all out war because some people believe that their hard earned tax dollars will be used for people to take advantage of a system that no matter how good the idea is conceived will never be fool proof to deny those looking to take advantage of the system. I myself find that the conspiracy theory on how more people take advantage of the welfare system than those that truly need it is just as absurd as the 9/11 was orchestrated by the government conspiracy theory.

So what does a vote for Obama mean. I can tell you what just about half of the people will say, "It's a vote for the democratic party." Which is the us/them mentality which threatens to doom our great nation. If you think I've typed a lot now, just imagine how long it would be if I talked about the process flaw of democratically picking 1 of 2 (sometimes 3) persons to be the figure head of the greatest nation the world has ever seen. Is that the change Obama talks about, I HOPE so, but I do know that he talks about bringing the nation together and that is something I want to be a part of. I think that is more important than universal health care and I believe it is more important than bringing the troops home tomorrow. You can't please everyone is about the truest statement ever made but I HOPE that we can please most people. Pleasing half is the worst thing we can do this year.

Obama criticism, and I say this with the experience of being 0 for 1 in a public office election. Human nature and the desire to win have led him to play the election game. Name the last politician who ran a 100% vote for me campaign and won. I can't name one, because the game is based on showing why the other candidate is the wrong choice and why you would be better. Obama does get to say that he never voted for the Iraq war, but to use that as a negative against Clinton is unfair. We all cried on 9/11, we all wanted retribution and for a brief moment in time, we were unified as a nation in preventing that kind of pain from ever happening again. I feel that the current administration could have done more to solidify the American Spirit but there was no give. You're with us or you're against us. Now that we're back to the way it was I am able to type this without fear of being Dixie chicked because we are back to the us/them ways.

Two things I hate - The if you think it's bad now argument. I bite, tell me how it's going to get worse. Ok, I agree. I can now live with this level of badness. That is the best case scenario for the person making that argument. I don't agree to disagree with this argument. Make a better case.
Second is the term flip flopper. Why would we have debate if it was a crime to change your mind. Unfortunately, I'm not dead set in my ways, I do believe that my mind can be changed through compelling argument. I feel sorry for those that can't.

So this was the point - where I stopped writing and went back to reread. It makes so much sense in my head yet my fingers won't put it altogether. I wanted to write about how I feel that people's concerns are more personal than patriotic. How sometimes compromise means that the other side gets their way completely. And here's why - Abortion, Death Penalty, war, health care, welfare, taxes, immigration. Those are deeply personal topics that many feel that the other side is completely wrong. Can you write them all down and understand why the other side feels the way they do. You don't have to agree but you should be able to understand why they feel a certain way. Now what can you give up.

Maybe I can do it with one question.

Can you give without receiving?

Can you imagine a State of the Union address with both sides of the floor standing and clapping together more times than only one side doing it.
I can't with Clinton.
I can't with McCain.
I can with Obama.

At least I HOPE so.
 

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Wow, Josh! Quite a first political post there.

Right? "My leg is tingling." (1):142smilie

Just got up and the whole freakin' hour is about plagiarism? Seriously? The guy is a friend and professional colleague, so the whole premise from the Team Clinton Comm. Director (are they all pasty, fat, slimy lookin' white guys?) is that it brings his integrity into question b/c of an ad lib he didn't footnote? Their other talking point du jour is he's going back on the public funds statement, which looks as if it were taken out of context anyhoo? Smells of fear.....b/c he has built a private $$$ ATM from the ground up.

Spend some time explaining how you're going to pay for this universal coverage health care plan of yours (couldn't possibly be a more polarizing tact as a solution there), or give us a more cogent argument for why the "Soopers" should support you than "they should be allowed the freedom to make up their own mind." (Great, so some NJ Dem Party boss who never was elected to his own post has more juice than 13,000 tax-paying residents? Holy balls, will I lose whats left of my mind!)

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Rant over.......doc

(1) Chris Matthews.......dunno when and I hope he had his trousers on under the desk:scared
 

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This is the full quote from Mathews'
http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/brad-wilmouth/2008/02/13/matthews-obama-speech-caused-thrill-going-my-leg

" I have to tell you, you know, it's part of reporting this case, this election, the feeling most people get when they hear Barack Obama's speech. My, I felt this thrill going up my leg. I mean, I don't have that too often. No, seriously. It's a dramatic event. He speaks about America in a way that has nothing to do with politics. It has to do with the feeling we have about our country. And that is an objective assessment. "

Like many books, this is the last paragraph I typed. Being my first post in the political forum, I may have gone above and beyond the call of insanity. I find this forum on MJ's to be the 2nd most passionate, next to Sports Teams and their fans. It is fascinating to read passion and that is what I see when I read through this forum.

It might be his objective assessment or Obama may have promised Mathews the White House Press correspondent position, doesn't matter. It is undeniable that Obama has been successful gaining votes and money based on his oral description of what he believes America can be.

To be quite cynical, In our day and age of, "You're either with us or against us" You must take a hard lined stance against hope, to be anti-Obama. The easy response is, "I'm not against hope, I'm just being a realist." Yet we debate on a website where you find posts about wagering on Money Line underdogs. Hoping that the long shot comes through and I'll be damned, sometimes, it happens. So call it faith or call it risk, that's what you have to wager on hope.

So now I wait for some period of time and someone, smarter than me, responds with a compelling reason of why this is idealistic rhetoric with no real world application. I can buy that, I really can but it leads me to what I believe is my best argument for voting for Obama.

We are on the brink of post modern civilization revolution. I live in a country that I am both one of us and one of them. The election debacle of 2000 focused on hanging chads instead of the States of America Divided. That election showed that both halves of voting Americans thought that they knew what was best for the direction of the country. Neither Gore nor Bush stood a chance after that election. Half of the voters were going to feel cheated and we (The American Population) would further develop the us/them mentality. Less thee be a true independent you are both them and us and when broken down into a line item moral list, even the true independents fall into categories that aren't labeled pros and cons, they are labeled us or them (better known as liberal/conservative). We coexist, They are on PTA's, they umpire youth baseball, they are our neighbor's. They hold doors for people going into a building and they say thank you. They watch Nascar and they also cry at the end of Old Yeller. We talk about them and they talk about us, yet we still, albeit damn near improbable, coexist. How much easier this world would be, if we just had those glasses that Rowdy Roddy Piper had in the movie, "They Live" that showed us who they were.

Which brings me off of the soap box and down to, "a vote for means." A vote for McCain means that half of the people feel like we are going in the same direction as we are now and like it or not, half of the people hate where we are now. Personally, albeit a hindsight moment, I thought that the McCain of 8 years ago was the right person to bring us to the middle, ala together. And he was against internet gambling on collegiate sports at that time.

A vote for Clinton presents a polar shift which means those that feel shat upon now are vindicated and banish the they's to eternal (4 to 8 years) of damnation. Call Obama idealistic, but universal health care (something I believe is the right thing to do) will be an all out war because some people believe that their hard earned tax dollars will be used for people to take advantage of a system that no matter how good the idea is conceived will never be fool proof to deny those looking to take advantage of the system. I myself find that the conspiracy theory on how more people take advantage of the welfare system than those that truly need it is just as absurd as the 9/11 was orchestrated by the government conspiracy theory.

So what does a vote for Obama mean. I can tell you what just about half of the people will say, "It's a vote for the democratic party." Which is the us/them mentality which threatens to doom our great nation. If you think I've typed a lot now, just imagine how long it would be if I talked about the process flaw of democratically picking 1 of 2 (sometimes 3) persons to be the figure head of the greatest nation the world has ever seen. Is that the change Obama talks about, I HOPE so, but I do know that he talks about bringing the nation together and that is something I want to be a part of. I think that is more important than universal health care and I believe it is more important than bringing the troops home tomorrow. You can't please everyone is about the truest statement ever made but I HOPE that we can please most people. Pleasing half is the worst thing we can do this year.

Obama criticism, and I say this with the experience of being 0 for 1 in a public office election. Human nature and the desire to win have led him to play the election game. Name the last politician who ran a 100% vote for me campaign and won. I can't name one, because the game is based on showing why the other candidate is the wrong choice and why you would be better. Obama does get to say that he never voted for the Iraq war, but to use that as a negative against Clinton is unfair. We all cried on 9/11, we all wanted retribution and for a brief moment in time, we were unified as a nation in preventing that kind of pain from ever happening again. I feel that the current administration could have done more to solidify the American Spirit but there was no give. You're with us or you're against us. Now that we're back to the way it was I am able to type this without fear of being Dixie chicked because we are back to the us/them ways.

Two things I hate - The if you think it's bad now argument. I bite, tell me how it's going to get worse. Ok, I agree. I can now live with this level of badness. That is the best case scenario for the person making that argument. I don't agree to disagree with this argument. Make a better case.
Second is the term flip flopper. Why would we have debate if it was a crime to change your mind. Unfortunately, I'm not dead set in my ways, I do believe that my mind can be changed through compelling argument. I feel sorry for those that can't.

So this was the point - where I stopped writing and went back to reread. It makes so much sense in my head yet my fingers won't put it altogether. I wanted to write about how I feel that people's concerns are more personal than patriotic. How sometimes compromise means that the other side gets their way completely. And here's why - Abortion, Death Penalty, war, health care, welfare, taxes, immigration. Those are deeply personal topics that many feel that the other side is completely wrong. Can you write them all down and understand why the other side feels the way they do. You don't have to agree but you should be able to understand why they feel a certain way. Now what can you give up.

Maybe I can do it with one question.

Can you give without receiving?

Can you imagine a State of the Union address with both sides of the floor standing and clapping together more times than only one side doing it.
I can't with Clinton.
I can't with McCain.
I can with Obama.

At least I HOPE so.

Nope can't imagine that--except in the Land of Oz.
If you think Both sides will be clapping for most liberal voting senator in congress-

"you had a dream" not hope :)
 

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I agree with you Wayne.

True conservatives do not want to unite the country unless it is united under their banner, morals and viewpoints. That is, a monotheistic based government with the majority of power resting in the executive branch whose primary exports are the exercise of military power to secure natural resources and the expansion of national corporations.

True conservatives do not want conciliation at home or abroad. Campaign finance reform will even the playing field so they are against it. They believe that the minority should rule over the majority. Education is not favored because then the masses will understand what they are doing. They will use fear, patriotism, division, to accomplish the goal.

Amazing how they can get people to vote against their interest. Remember, out of Bush's mouth, "I don't trust intellectuals." Perfect. The majority of Americans think an intellectual is conning them if they don't understand what he is saying. Bush's handlers were brilliant in that they made him appear to be an everyday guy with that statment.

Talk about very slick. Its not so muck slick Willie as crafty carl.

Eddie
 

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HOUSTON - Former President George H.W. Bush endorsed John McCain on Monday, a nod of approval from the Republican political dynasty's patriarch that sends a strong signal to a GOP establishment wary of the Arizona senator.

"No one is better prepared to lead our nation at these trying times than Sen. John McCain," Bush said, standing alongside the Republican nominee-in-waiting in an airport hangar. "His character was forged in the crucible of war. His commitment to America is beyond any doubt. But most importantly, he has the right values and experience to guide our nation forward at this historic moment."

McCain, in turn, said he was deeply honored by Bush's support. "I think that our effort to continue to unite the party will be enhanced dramatically by President Bush's words," he added.

Since effectively sealing the nomination when chief rival Mitt Romney dropped out, McCain has been working to convince the fickle and influential conservative base of the Republican Party to get behind his candidacy.

He's seen some progress, with several high profile Republicans from the party's establishment endorsing McCain in an effort to unite the party while Democrats continue to fight for a nominee. Still, McCain has much work to do to energize the party behind his candidacy to ensure that its people turn out this fall.

President Bush has spoken warmly of McCain, calling him a "true conservative." But he also has said that McCain might have to work harder to win over the support of the GOP's more conservative wing. Protocol demands that he not swing explicitly behind the candidate with a race still technically -- and only technically -- in progress.

A further nudge
His father's endorsement, which follows one from former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, who is George W. Bush's brother, is a further nudge by GOP chieftains for conservative activists to get over their distaste for McCain and for rival Mike Huckabee to get out.

Without mentioning McCain's chief standing rival by name, the elder Bush suggested that he wasn't sending a signal to Huckabee, the former Arkansas governor. "I had not come here to tell any other candidate what to do," Bush said.

Still, he recalled his own defeat in the 1980 presidential race, and said: "It can take a while for any candidate to read the handwriting on the wall, and that certainly was true of me."

Bush also called criticism by the right flank that McCain is not conservative enough absurd and grossly unfair.

"He's got ... a sound conservative record, and yet he's not above reaching out to the other side," Bush said.

McCain has drawn the ire of some high-profile conservative pundits and others for what they call infractions against the party. McCain twice voted against Bush's tax cuts. He pushed a campaign finance overhaul that critics said restricted their free speech rights. And, he has worked across the aisle with Democrats on issues like an eventual path to citizenship for millions of illegal immigrants -- heresy in the eyes of many hard-core Republicans.

As he makes the transition into a general election candidate, McCain not only must rally the party but also must try to determine how to deploy the current president, whose job approval rating is at a low point.

While still popular among Republicans, many moderates and independents have turned from the president, and Democrats already have started casting McCain's candidacy as a continuation of Bush's eight years in office.

Presidential support?
But McCain shows little willingness to distance himself, saying: "I'd be honored to have President George Bush's support, his endorsement. And I'd be honored to be anywhere with him under any circumstances." He added that any president who follows another in office could have different views "on particularly specific issues."

The president, during a visit to Africa, was asked Monday about reports the McCain camp wants his fund-raising help but doesn't want him to appear too often with McCain.

"I'm sitting in Tanzania, I don't know what the McCain campaign said," Bush said. "But I'll help him in any way I can. Absolutely."

He went on to say, "He's (McCain) going to win, too, if he ends up being the nominee. Now, he's still got a -- you know, as I understand, Mike Huckabee's still in the race. But if John's the nominee, he'll win." Bush spoke on NBC's "Today" show.
...................................................................


Yeh like we didnt know the Bushs are endorsing
McCain.

doogy duh !
 

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Eddie : True liberals don't want to see America united, unless it's united under their banner. The left in this Country walks hand in hand with the right, when it comes power. It's power first every time. It's not a liberal or conservative thing, it's an American lack of leadership, political mindset. The idealist in those of us that embrace Obama, do so in the hopes that we change our mindset. It's not about Obama, it's about us. He's just the loudest voice for what we desire. It doesn't matter what the policies are in this Country, we wont have success until we change the way we think. We need leadership that finds a way to bring the botton closer to the top. We can't have the success that is talked about on the left or right until we change our culture. I'll compare it to when a coach takes a job at a losing program, changes the mindset & success happens when people buy in. The peole have to buy in, we can't continue to carry dead weight that has no hope, that can't see a better future. It's a style of managment, it works. You don't give it away but you nunge people along with incentives, when they respond your investment is returned by their groth & production. You wont get everyone but most respond if there is something in it for them. We need leadership to ask the American People to do something for their country, neighbor and family. What better time ? We are at war but our leadership can't rallay the people ? This would be a perfect time to galvanize the Nation together with some kind of energy saving concept, but nothing.
 

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This is the full quote from Mathews'
http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/brad-wilmouth/2008/02/13/matthews-obama-speech-caused-thrill-going-my-leg

" I have to tell you, you know, it's part of reporting this case, this election, the feeling most people get when they hear Barack Obama's speech. My, I felt this thrill going up my leg. I mean, I don't have that too often. No, seriously. It's a dramatic event. He speaks about America in a way that has nothing to do with politics. It has to do with the feeling we have about our country. And that is an objective assessment. "

Like many books, this is the last paragraph I typed. Being my first post in the political forum, I may have gone above and beyond the call of insanity. I find this forum on MJ's to be the 2nd most passionate, next to Sports Teams and their fans. It is fascinating to read passion and that is what I see when I read through this forum.

It might be his objective assessment or Obama may have promised Mathews the White House Press correspondent position, doesn't matter. It is undeniable that Obama has been successful gaining votes and money based on his oral description of what he believes America can be.

To be quite cynical, In our day and age of, "You're either with us or against us" You must take a hard lined stance against hope, to be anti-Obama. The easy response is, "I'm not against hope, I'm just being a realist." Yet we debate on a website where you find posts about wagering on Money Line underdogs. Hoping that the long shot comes through and I'll be damned, sometimes, it happens. So call it faith or call it risk, that's what you have to wager on hope.

So now I wait for some period of time and someone, smarter than me, responds with a compelling reason of why this is idealistic rhetoric with no real world application. I can buy that, I really can but it leads me to what I believe is my best argument for voting for Obama.

We are on the brink of post modern civilization revolution. I live in a country that I am both one of us and one of them. The election debacle of 2000 focused on hanging chads instead of the States of America Divided. That election showed that both halves of voting Americans thought that they knew what was best for the direction of the country. Neither Gore nor Bush stood a chance after that election. Half of the voters were going to feel cheated and we (The American Population) would further develop the us/them mentality. Less thee be a true independent you are both them and us and when broken down into a line item moral list, even the true independents fall into categories that aren't labeled pros and cons, they are labeled us or them (better known as liberal/conservative). We coexist, They are on PTA's, they umpire youth baseball, they are our neighbor's. They hold doors for people going into a building and they say thank you. They watch Nascar and they also cry at the end of Old Yeller. We talk about them and they talk about us, yet we still, albeit damn near improbable, coexist. How much easier this world would be, if we just had those glasses that Rowdy Roddy Piper had in the movie, "They Live" that showed us who they were.

Which brings me off of the soap box and down to, "a vote for means." A vote for McCain means that half of the people feel like we are going in the same direction as we are now and like it or not, half of the people hate where we are now. Personally, albeit a hindsight moment, I thought that the McCain of 8 years ago was the right person to bring us to the middle, ala together. And he was against internet gambling on collegiate sports at that time.

A vote for Clinton presents a polar shift which means those that feel shat upon now are vindicated and banish the they's to eternal (4 to 8 years) of damnation. Call Obama idealistic, but universal health care (something I believe is the right thing to do) will be an all out war because some people believe that their hard earned tax dollars will be used for people to take advantage of a system that no matter how good the idea is conceived will never be fool proof to deny those looking to take advantage of the system. I myself find that the conspiracy theory on how more people take advantage of the welfare system than those that truly need it is just as absurd as the 9/11 was orchestrated by the government conspiracy theory.

So what does a vote for Obama mean. I can tell you what just about half of the people will say, "It's a vote for the democratic party." Which is the us/them mentality which threatens to doom our great nation. If you think I've typed a lot now, just imagine how long it would be if I talked about the process flaw of democratically picking 1 of 2 (sometimes 3) persons to be the figure head of the greatest nation the world has ever seen. Is that the change Obama talks about, I HOPE so, but I do know that he talks about bringing the nation together and that is something I want to be a part of. I think that is more important than universal health care and I believe it is more important than bringing the troops home tomorrow. You can't please everyone is about the truest statement ever made but I HOPE that we can please most people. Pleasing half is the worst thing we can do this year.

Obama criticism, and I say this with the experience of being 0 for 1 in a public office election. Human nature and the desire to win have led him to play the election game. Name the last politician who ran a 100% vote for me campaign and won. I can't name one, because the game is based on showing why the other candidate is the wrong choice and why you would be better. Obama does get to say that he never voted for the Iraq war, but to use that as a negative against Clinton is unfair. We all cried on 9/11, we all wanted retribution and for a brief moment in time, we were unified as a nation in preventing that kind of pain from ever happening again. I feel that the current administration could have done more to solidify the American Spirit but there was no give. You're with us or you're against us. Now that we're back to the way it was I am able to type this without fear of being Dixie chicked because we are back to the us/them ways.

Two things I hate - The if you think it's bad now argument. I bite, tell me how it's going to get worse. Ok, I agree. I can now live with this level of badness. That is the best case scenario for the person making that argument. I don't agree to disagree with this argument. Make a better case.
Second is the term flip flopper. Why would we have debate if it was a crime to change your mind. Unfortunately, I'm not dead set in my ways, I do believe that my mind can be changed through compelling argument. I feel sorry for those that can't.

So this was the point - where I stopped writing and went back to reread. It makes so much sense in my head yet my fingers won't put it altogether. I wanted to write about how I feel that people's concerns are more personal than patriotic. How sometimes compromise means that the other side gets their way completely. And here's why - Abortion, Death Penalty, war, health care, welfare, taxes, immigration. Those are deeply personal topics that many feel that the other side is completely wrong. Can you write them all down and understand why the other side feels the way they do. You don't have to agree but you should be able to understand why they feel a certain way. Now what can you give up.

Maybe I can do it with one question.

Can you give without receiving?

Can you imagine a State of the Union address with both sides of the floor standing and clapping together more times than only one side doing it.
I can't with Clinton.
I can't with McCain.
I can with Obama.

At least I HOPE so.


Very well written, Josh, whether one agrees or not.
 
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