President Bush won a decisive victory last night.

[Master Capper]

Pirate Fan:

Obviously your myopic and cannot stand back and take a honest look but please explain to me Bush's answers on the environment as I am positive that around 99% of the people watching could not understand what he was mumbling! What was Bush's plans for education? Do you agree that he has made no errors in the last four years?

 

[I LOVE WR]

BUSH HAS SLAUGHTERED THE ENVIRONMENTAL PROGRAMS THAT ARE VERY IMPORTANT. WHY? FOR $$$$$.

WE ALL KNOW WHAT HE HAS DONE REGARDING EDUCATION. EVERY REPUBLICAN SHOULD BE ASHAMED. BUT THEY ARE NOT. WHY? I DONT WANT TO KNOW.

AMERICA IS IN HUGE TROUBLE IF BUSH RIGS ANOTHER ELECTION. GORE WOULD HAVE BEEN AN AMAZING PRES.

 

[davidjg47]

I love war, you will be saying Kerry would have made a great president too. I guess you to believe Fahrenheit 9-11. For Gods sake it's a MOVIE, not a true story!!! It was made to make money off of the Bush haters. Bush has been blamed for anything and everything that happens, as long as it is bad. People say Iraq should have never been attacked. Saddam gassed many people. WE found mass grave sites and saw hundreds of thousands of people in Iraq looking for their love ones he killed. Saddam hated America and our people. He would have found away to help the terrorist to nuke us and kill millions of people. Kerry and all his followers said the same thing about Saddam. They all now say they would have done it different. The difference was the same we always did, NOTHING. Saddam would have still been in power and Iraq's living in hell. All the countries that didn't join us, their leaders would still be making Billions off of ill gotten money from Saddam stealing the oil from his own people. How many companies world wide know anything about repairing pipe lines and oil factory's and have the man power to do it fast?? None, but Halliburton. Thats why they were awarded the contracts. It's the people that believe everything they see on TV and the movies that are Bush bashers. Today they even said the elections were rigged in Bin Ladens hide out. All the press, ABC,NBC,CBS, will do anything and say anything to keep Bush out of office. I will be happy when all this shit is over with...

 

[I LOVE WR]

YOUR NOT A VERY GOOD LIAR DAVID.

NOTHING BUT BLAH BLAH BLAH. SORRY I GRADUATED 8TH GRADE.

 

[Keyser Soze]

David, did you see Fahrenheit 9-11???? Shrek is make believe, this is not. It wasn't animated my friend. It wasn't a bunch of Hollywood actors portraying your beloved Mr. Bush. It was actual footage. Get it? Real life. The only people who don't believe it are the ones that haven't seen it, which is so very ironic, since they believe that there were weapons of mass destruction even though there ai absolutely NO PROOF whatsoever on those. You folks really need to get your sh*t together and start seeing the real factual truth and quit buying what the millionaires are selling you. Does anyone remember how we were going to use "Shock And AWE" and they would lay down their guns and surrender in under a week? What has this guy told us that has been the truth? Oh yeah, he was going to track down Bin Laden and kill him. He was going to "Smoke Him Out".......hmmmmm ANybody remember any of this, or was all of this just put in a make believe movie as well. ANybody remember that this was about what Saddam was going to do to us, not about what he had done to his people. If your so upset about what other leaders are doing to their people, why don't we invade Cuba? Oh, that's right Castro is a real gentleman. You guys should only pray that this goofball doesn't win. He will have video cameras in your homes. He will monitor what you say, what you do and they will probably tell you what you are thinking and find a way to penalize you for what you haven't even done. This is the land of the FREE, not the land of what Bush thinks it should be. Wake up folks. Before another person tells me that Fahrenheit 9-11 is all bunk, make sure that you have watched it first!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[pirate fan]

MC, I would like to discuss some specific issues. Ed and Envir are pretty broad. Anything in particular? I know there are going to be some big differences in our opinions,(for example I don't believe in the global warming claims, which you may) so this is an issue we could never come to an agreement on. I have read previous posts of yours and I think we could have some good posts back and forth. I would really welcome some informed counters to my views and I respect your opinion. I know politics is an emotional issue and I mean no malice or posting down to you or anyone. We have two different views and I think we could do each other some good explaining our views and thinking to each other. Let me know what specifically you are interested in and I will do my best to explain the republican point of view I guess. I admit I don't agree with everything about Bush's policies even though this forum has a tendency to stereotype due to one or two points of view. Look forward to your response.

 

[davidjg47]

Keyser, You do think everything in the movie was real. Do you know that you can take film and cut it to make it look like the real thing? I could have you on film your wife or girl friend and your best friend and show a film of them together when they NEVER was. I saw the movie and it made me sick. I Knew they would be people who actually believed it was real. I guess you believe the book that has just been released that bush did coke at camp David and his wife sold coke. That book is classified as truth too. The Author was on all the talk shows. The trouble with that book, all people that know the bitch, knows she lies. The people who let them on their show is CBS NBC and CNN. The bush haters networks.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

"Does anyone remember how we were going to use "Shock And AWE" and they would lay down their guns and surrender in under a week?"

and how long was it till their army surrendered??? The fact is it took less time for this administration to take afgan and Iraq combined than it did last administration to get a bunch of women and children in Waco.

Now to more serious matters--actually shock and awe was quite effective, one might say too effective---The one that failed to develop and is directly the cause of all of many of the insurgents still left was "Hammer and Anvil.
It was designed to have 20,000 members 4th infantry come down from the north through turkey as the others came up from the south. The problem that developed was two fold. Turkey at last minute would not let us use there country to invade thus the push from north never developed and push from south was so successful the Iraq's surrendered so quickly the northern sunni triangle was never subjected to troops or fighting.
Thus most of the Sunni's were left to form resistance after the war.

 

[RAYMOND]

you are 100% right

 

[djv]

I guess this mess in Iraq now 18 months old is just a fake. We shocked someone alright. Our 1057 dead and our budget. Then after shocking them we had no plan.

 

[Master Capper]

Pirate Fan,

I agree your entitled to your opinion and I wish I could give you some examples of just what Bush said he was going to do for education and the env, but I like most people could not understand what the hell he was talking about. He launched into some rant about diesel off road vehicles and cutting down tree's which made absolutely no sense. As far as education the only platform he stands on is the no child left behind act which has failed due to the lack of funding that he had promised. I have not heard of any proposals for higher education from Bush at all! His health care proposals are absolutely wacky, when he says all senior citizens will have access to drugs at a much lower cost this is absolutely untrue! Even with his Medicare Reform Act these folks are getting a very small % off their drugs as these people would still be able to buy drugs on-line from Canada at a much lower price. With all the cost involved in the reform (recall he lied about the total cost) much more could have been saved if he would of went after the drug companies and bought drugs in bulk similar to what other countries do for their seniors. On the issue of health care, do you realize that since Bush became president the amount of employers offering health care to their employees has dropped from the high 60% area to the low 50% area? While you may say that the employer doesn't owe these people health care which may be true, but if you have a health condition and cannot get group coverage through your employer and must go solo, you will either be denied coverage or you will be rated up so high that you could not afford the coverage. When he states that HSA's (Health Savings Accounts) are the ticket to get more folks health care coverage that is very false as we have tried the same type of plan under Clinton except now we changed the name from MSA plans to HSA Plans, and while these types of plans can sound appealing they are very hard to understand and require that the person insured under a HSA use prudence and if this does not occur then the plan is worthless.

 

[Keyser Soze]

I could have you on film your wife or girl friend and your best friend and show a film of them together when they NEVER was.

Have you been taking grammar lessons from Raymond? You were made sick by the movie because you realized how screwed you were with your buddy Bush. No, I din't say anything about "the book", because people can write whatever they wish. I do know that there has been plenty of proof that Bush did cocaine. I would also like to know how "they" put Bin Laden's brother on the balcony at the WHite House smoking a cigar with "W"? You are way too funny and so very sad at the same time. This is why our country is in such trouble with folks like you that are plainly shown the truth and still won't acknowledge it. How has your stock portfolio done since your buddy has been in office? WHen was the last time you saw a $2.00 gallon of gas? Name me one President that took more vacation days than your Buddy? This is so very troubling, it's oh so sad that if this ass fools enough people this time around that I will be going down with him. I just hope that his brother keeps his fingers out of the poll box so my vote will at least count this time.

 

[djv]

Nat gas average all time high $2.02 a gal as of today.
Milk at all time high. Butter to.
When those who use oil for heating there home get there fill up this month. Make sure to tell your self how much better off you are only paying 70% more then last year. Then go and vote how well off you are.
States of Virgina, Ark, Mich drop no child left behind. No funds as promised by Bush. Ohio and New york lay off over 900 teachers. No funds or only half recieved from Leave no child behind program of Bush's. We could go on and on. Why bother he's got many faked out.
Have no idea if Kerry would be any better. I voted for a change last time and believe we dam sure need a new idea this time.
Health care out of site. Medacare drug program a laugh here in Wisconsin. Seniors on Wis plan would lose over $600 to $800 to join. And the drug companies made out big time.

 

[pirate fan]

MC, On education, the NCLB program holds school accountable for closing the gap between those with different socio-economic backgrounds. There will be an additional 49% increase for elementary and secondary education since 2001. This includes 1 billion in Title 1 funding for disadvantaged students, up 52% from 2001; $139 million in reading programs, 4 times the amount from 2001; 1 billion in special ed programs, up 75% from 2001. Reading first funds have supassed 1.8 billion to the 50 states and DC to train teachers to better teach. Pell grants are up 4.1 billion or 47% aince 2001, these help kids going to college. The education budget will be up over 30% next year as opposed to 2001. I can more in to detail on any of these if you like.
As far as health care, I agree more needs to be done, I am not as myoptic as you may think. Bush has created Health savings accounts, prescription drug benefits under medicare, strengthed medicaid and SCHIP which allows states to expand coverage, this has helped more than 8 million people. A health insurance tax credit has been established to help those specifically who lose their jobs due to outsourcing maintain some coverage. There has also been over 600 new health care centers established over the last 4 years. I know there is a goal to create about 1200 of these, all focus in urban communities. I agree with your concerns on health care, this is a growing and very concerning issue we need to address in the future. I'll address the environment soon, gotta go.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

"Nat gas average all time high $2.02 a gal as of today.
Milk at all time high. Butter to.
When those who use oil for heating there home get there fill up this month. Make sure to tell your self how much better off you are only paying 70% more then last year. Then go and vote how well off you are.
States of Virgina, Ark, Mich drop no child left behind. No funds as promised by Bush. Ohio and New york lay off over 900 teachers. No funds or only half recieved from Leave no child behind program of Bush's. We could go on and on. Why bother he's got many faked out.
Have no idea if Kerry would be any better. I voted for a change last time and believe we dam sure need a new idea this time."

DJV Speaking of people trying to fake others out--You continuely spin the worst scenerio--The fact and bottom line--- interest rates and inflation have been at lowest levels since Moby Dick was a minnow.However must say you are as credible as Kerry has been.

This has been biggest boom time for little guy as you can add "all time" high ownership and not so good for wealthy who prefer higher interest rates.

P.S. HSA are MUCH different and better than MSA. If you would like I will be happy to ellaborate but in a nutshell the contibutions into the saving accounts are quite similiar to an IRA.

 

[djv]

New Health care centers? Who runs them? Your not tallking about these one room clinics and calling them centers.
Medicare program is a joke in Wis as said above. Big winner drug companies not the American people.
Low interest rates dont help those loseing there homes do to no job. House forclosures all time high. Hey info comes form the feds.
And with this deficit rates, there on the way up.
And gas and oil are all time high. They just are.
The guy buying heating oil this month is going to chit his pants.

 

[davidjg47]

Keyser, Bush smoking cigar with Ben's brother was either before 9-11 or he was there trying to give bush information on his brother. This has been already identified as bull shit. The movie was made to make money and get people to vote for Kerry. Have you seen the movie about all the bull shit that wasn't even close to being factual? I bet not. My stock fell AFTER 9-11. I was doing great before the towers fell. Gas is high because of terrorist threats. We are at war. President Bush didn't want this war. He didn't want the towers to fall. HE WAS PUT IN THIS NIGHTMARE ON 9-11.

 

[pirate fan]

djv, you can call the health centers one room clinics if you want, lets be serious though and not exaggerate. The point is there is something there now that wasn't before, trying to help hose who need it most. It is pretty clear that those in the cities or urban centers need help the most for health care and education. The fact that some of those states choose not to take advantage of the NCLB is not because of funds so much as it has to do with accountability. The states and schools have to show results. Just throwing money at something doesn't always help. I know some states have rejected teaching phonix to students in their schools which is a requirement for funding. This is where the scientific requirements come in as phonix has been proven to work. Fund what works. Oh and lower interest rates does help those who may lose a home by refinancing at lower rates and lowering monthly payments.

 

[djv]

Oh I have no problem with helping folks with health care and education. You got many republicans here that do. And forsure if you read there post real close about helping folks. Make sure there the roight color. You see Pirate they want it one way only. They rather piss billions away in Iraq then spend it here at home.
Iraq who had nothing to do with 9/11.

 

[pirate fan]

djv, do you think it is a waste of money in the good we have done for the Iraq people, like clean water, medicine, education? I know your strong feelings about the war but just wondering if you are against absolutly all of it or just the actual fighting and bloodshed. I'm not being sarcastic, just interested in what pissing billions away is. Should we not help others outside of our borders?