Probable War Cost...90 Billion large..

[Chadman]

Well, after reading the first few posts here, and glossing over where things went after, clearly I need to spend some time in here. One thing I want to point out again, is that I see Freeze posted his selective opinion against helping certain Americans (in the area of education, no less) and promoting the helping of Muslims in another country. Kosar nailed his arse to the tree, and you never see Freeze again. Maybe he is a result of getting too much education, to go along with his theory that more money towards education produces a dumbing down of society.

So typical.

Now, back to the thread. Back later.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Jabbers--
"Bill had an affair nearly a decade ago. It was none of your business then and it isn't now. Let it go. You love to throw around the "perjury and obstruction of justice" line. Its idiotic. You moronic
moralizing neocons are truly unbelievable. Stay the fvck out of other peoples personal lives. Funding a six year investigation into Clinton's sex life with tax payer money and then harping on it for years all the while supporting the most corrupt administration in the history of the country."
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Stay out of peoples sex lives--lets take a look at the liberal intelect level--considering no less than 4 women filed charges on him including rape--some paid off to drop charges--others no smoking gun ect--I must assume you think if a serial rapist is caught we should stay out of "his" sex life--duh liberal logic AGAIN
--and on waxman and expense of trial--none would had been necessary had one individual had the character to "cum clean"
Yep blame everyone involved but the guilty party.

your punishment once again for this blatant use of liberal logic is--

watch Billy Bob icon :nono: for 10 minutes while singing "stand by your man"

 

[Jabberwocky]

"Stay out of peoples sex lives--lets take a look at the liberal intelect level--considering no less than 4 women filed charges on him including rape--some paid off to drop charges--others no smoking gun ect--I must assume you think if a serial rapist is caught we should stay out of "his" sex life--duh liberal logic."

Starr was investigating Clinton on rape charges? Missed that one. What happens between two consenting adults is nobodies business but theirs and the parties involved. How you deduce that I therefore think that rape is ok is beyond me.

You think that you can move beyond your obsession with Bill Clinton's sex life in another ten years? Or is this preoccupation going with you to the grave.

 

[The Sponge]

I wonder if you forward this thread fifteen years DTB will still be harping on the Blow Job?:shrug:

Does anyone know how to do this? If you do send me the results of the games those years. thanks

 

[djv]

Not sure why freeze is mad at education system he took advantage of ever break possible. I think he hates sharing. If I remember right he once said a Doc that only screws up 4/5 times should not be told by hospital enough is enough good by. But if some one with drug problems screws up more then once jail them for ever. :shrug:
I didn't here about all these problems Clinton had how long ago 8 years. I do remember big lips being sent in by right wing to give a BJ. I bet there are folks that don't believe that was part set up. Well once they lived long enough to see how real world CAN run at times. They might.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

The key word-is consenting adults- Jabbers

Tell us -was it when he called on your other hero -"Praaaaay for me Jessie" that you gave him pass for making you look so foolish for believing his:nono: episode.


Juanita Broaddrick (AR)- rape
Eileen Wellstone (Oxford) - rape
Elizabeth Ward Gracen - rape - quid pro quo, post incident intimidation
Regina Hopper Blakely - "forced himself on her, biting, bruising her"
Kathleen Willey (WH) - sexual assault, intimidations, threats
Sandra Allen James (DC) - sexual assault
22 Year Old 1972 (Yale) - sexual assault
Kathy Bradshaw (AK) - sexual assault
Cristy Zercher - unwelcomed sexual advance, intimidations
Paula Jones (AR) - unwelcomed sexual advance, exposure, bordering on sexual assault
Carolyn Moffet -unwelcomed sexual advance, exposure, bordering on sexual assault
1974 student at University of Arkansas - unwelcomed physical contact
1978-1980 - seven complaints per Arkansas state troopers
Monica Lewinsky - quid pro quo, post incident character assault
Gennifer Flowers - quid pro quo, post incident character assault
Dolly Kyle Browning - post incident character assault
Sally Perdue - post incident threats
Betty Dalton - rebuffed his advances, married to one of his supporters
Denise Reeder - apologetic note scanned

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Jab:

Wayne seems to have a political sex hangup. He's enthralled with past democratic presidents sexual excapades and finds them to be inexcusable but yet feels that the taking of human life to be quite forgiveable.

Take for example, our lovely first lady. She, like her murderous husband is also responsible for the death of a human being. Albeit hers due to negligence while the hundreds of thousands that he has murdered due to intentional killing.

Back in her youth, little Laura was involved in quite a serious auto accident which was her fault where she killed a person. Now a days, even this type of negligent homicide brings with it a jail term sans alcohol and drugs.

Yet Wayne has no problem with people dying all around the Bush clan. Its sex that riles his loins. NO SEX!!! We can't have sex in the Bible Belt. No sex in Kentucky. Shoot its fine, but no sex.

Psycho.

Eddie

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Oh I see--you are somehow trying to compare the character Laura to Bill.

Believe it or not Clinton was "not" that popular. Edward.

THE CLINTON MYTH

Filling some of the vast voids at the 2004 Democratic convention were repeated media references to Bill Clinton as the true savior of the Democratic Party. This myth has been one of the most destructive forces within the party. Here are some of the facts:

Bill Clinton got 43.9% of the vote in 1992, while Michael Dukakis - the victim of another myth as the purportedly worst possible sort of candidate - got 45%. True Clinton was up against Ross Perot who got 19% as well as Bush, but Clinton might well have lost were it not for Perot, in which case he would have joined Michael Dukakis in the hall of shame. Clinton won a majority in only two state-like entities: Arkansas and DC. In only 12 other states was he able to get ever 45%. Dukakis, meanwhile, got over 50% in 11 states and got over 45% in 12 others.

Here's what happened to the Democrats under Clinton, based on our latest figures:

GOP seats gained in House after Clinton became president: 48

GOP seats gained in Senate after Clinton became president: 8

GOP governorships gained after Clinton became president: 11

GOP state legislative seats gained since Clinton became president: 1,254 as of 1998

State legislatures taken over by GOP after Clinton became president: 9

Democrat officeholders who have become Republicans since Clinton became president: 439 as of 1998 Republican officeholders who became Democrats: 3

According to the 2000 exits polls:

60% of voters disapproved of Clinton as a person

59% -including some who approved of him - disliked him

68% said he would go down in the history books for his scandals rather than for his leadership

44% thought the Clinton scandals were important or somewhat important. (In contrast, only 28% thought Bush's drunk driving arrest was important or somewhat important)

18% said a reason for their vote was to oppose Clinton

15% of those who had voted for Clinton in 1996 voted for bush in 2000.
In short, Clinton was a far more negative factor to the Democrats in the 2000 race than was Nader. The Washington media, which coddled Clinton from the moment he started running, continues to propagate a myth about his utility that bares little ressemblance to the facts - SAM SMITH

 

[smurphy]

Bill Clinton.

 

[StevieD]

I am not sure about all the scandals Clinton was accused of and investagated for and then not charged, except of course the BJ, has to do with how the Neocons outright lied about the cost of this War. :shrug:

 

[djv]

I here there was a big change in last election under Bush.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

ok Smurph will get back to topic
"Probable War Cost...90 Billion large"


911---
The financial cost
Value of US economy: $11 trillion
Estimated cost of attacks to US based solely on property losses and insurance costs: $21billion

Katrina--
could cost economy $100B
http://money.cnn.com/2005/09/02/news/katrina_estimates/

dot com bust
Trillions lost
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dot-com_bubble

Aids>from 2000 and still counting--
AIDS will have siphoned off an estimated $81 billion to $107 billion from the U.S. economy by 2000.
http://www.rasmusen.org/x/2005/09/27/the-cost-of-aids/

---and what say you???

 

[djv]

I say on aids we failed a long time ago. Back in late 80's under Regan we looked the other way. We played catch up since then. Were lucky it has not cost trillions. Still may. WE at least took on possible bird flu with more intelligences from lessons learned with aids.
Katrin as for Mississippi and New Orleans area still a mess. We will see another 20 to 60 billion going that way. I hope we sell the 986 trailers still sitting on used in Ark, and Mississippi. Just another Gov screw up.
Dot come bust. Fueled by foolish investors. Most folks have been brought up to under stand if it looks to god it is not. GREED.
Sad thing about 911 was no one payed attention.
I believe history will say that and wright it that way. Just another Gov screw up.
Iraq over 300 billion with no end it sight. And we our GOV left Afghanistan to start this mess with bad info. And just cant ever admit it. I think everyone knows 300 is more like 500 and it's been hid from us.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

I say on aids we failed a long time ago. Back in late 80's under Regan we looked the other way. We played catch up since then. Were lucky it has not cost trillions. Still may. WE at least took on possible bird flu with more intelligences from lessons learned with aids.
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Quite the reverse DJV--had we taken same measures on aids as bird-flu sars-ect you'd see little of it--or reverse it--take all those with Bird-flu SARS ect and give those infected -confidentiality-turn them loose on society--and no harm no foul if they infect anyone else.

All life threatening diseases in history of mankind have been erradicated by similiar means--Aids is only one that has been handled just the opposite.

Aids should be the absolute easiest to put under control as ways to spread are extremely confined.

Now that you surely must think I'm cynical--let me pose yet another question--so far aids research has only developed drugs to extend lives of aids victims by 10 years or so--question- does this diminish the spread of aids or contribute to it?

 

[smurphy]

ok Smurph will get back to topic
"Probable War Cost...90 Billion large"


911---
The financial cost
Value of US economy: $11 trillion
Estimated cost of attacks to US based solely on property losses and insurance costs: $21billion

Katrina--
could cost economy $100B
http://money.cnn.com/2005/09/02/news/katrina_estimates/

dot com bust
Trillions lost
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dot-com_bubble

Aids>from 2000 and still counting--
AIDS will have siphoned off an estimated $81 billion to $107 billion from the U.S. economy by 2000.
http://www.rasmusen.org/x/2005/09/27/the-cost-of-aids/

---and what say you???

I don't really know what the point is of these lists. What does one thing have to do with the other? We're looking at what...like $400 billion on Iraq at this point?

The reason for revisiting these posts from 3.5 years ago is to see what people were thinking at that time. We can see that Dr. Freeze was way off and has never given people like Kosar credit for being correct about how things were going to go for us in Iraq.

Has anyone who was pro-war back then admitted to Kosar that his predictions were correct?

 

[djv]

I'm not sure either. Maybe some people think were blaming Bush for aids. Or those liberals they say don't give enough to charities. Heck, Gates and Buffet. With Ted Turner might give more then all the rest. Close to 60 billion. It is strange how someone looks at Aids and different at say Malaria. I was surprised to here even with millions still going to Malaria. Millions still die each year. And that fight has been going on for over 70 years. Answers are not as easy as some may think.
Iraq, Smurphy, is one of ours biggest screw up's ever. And will cost and haunt us a long time.
Bush knows it but just can not say it.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Your thought on Iraq haunting us is speculation and opinion DJV.

The approach of doing nothing coming back to haunt us is a factual reality.

 

[Chadman]

Your thought on Iraq haunting us is speculation and opinion DJV.

The approach of doing nothing coming back to haunt us is a factual reality.

This is an interesting perspective, and one I don't understand. You say that it's speculation that we don't know if what will happen in the future (I think it has already cost us a lot, for so little in return - if anything at all), and it a factual reality that doing nothing IN IRAQ would have come back to haunt us. Please explain. Iraq never attacked us. They never showed the ability to do so. So, that clearly remains an opinion you have that backs up your case. It's HARDLY a factual thing. In fact, I say it's a stretch to even believe.

 

[Chadman]

I, too, smurph, am wondering what the post refers to in comparing those issues. What is the point that is being made, Wayne?

You compare the cost of an elective occupation of another country to events the government had no real part in? I don't get it.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

The comparison is on rant like- billions for war against terror is exorbant--my question exbobant in comparison to what?

If it saves trillions of $'s and thousands of lives lost in one day as we experienced before "by doing nothing" it could be best $'s ever spent--

What would you have said if GW took same approach last admin did in 93- Close his eyes and hope things go away?

Now I will defend your right to opinion that Iraq had/has nothing to do with war on terror--but whether your opinion is correct is yet to be determined--the effectiveness of doing nothing has been determined to the nth degree.

---and one thing it did accomplish--ie Lybia-Yemen ect---action speaks louder than words--