Profiting From Secrecy: Corporate America's War on Political Transparency

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I cannot commend Obama enough for this stance and I hope he follows through with this. I think this is extremely important for our political process, and as a taxpayer I think it's something Obama should be praised for. IMO the organized opposition to this is laughable and reprehensible. Perhaps someone can explain (with a straight smiley face or something) how this could be a bad thing? I don't see how this prevents free speech in any way - it's not stopping anyone from donating, it's just showing this "free speech" publicly. The fact that this would spotlight the cockroaches should be something all Americans would want - if their heart is in the right place, and truly CARE about how their tax money is spent. :0074

Profiting From Secrecy
Corporate America's War on Political Transparency
By ROBERT WEISSMAN

It's a modest notion.

Companies that bid for government contracts should disclose their campaign spending, in order to diminish the likelihood that contracts are a payoff for political expenditures.

The Obama administration has indicated that it plans to impose such a rule, through an executive order. Ideally, the rule would prohibit contractors and lobbyists from campaign spending, but a disclosure standard is a very positive if modest step.

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the trade association for big business, however, takes a somewhat different view.

"We will fight it through all available means," Bruce Josten, the chief lobbyist for the Chamber, told the New York Times. "To quote what they say every day on Libya, all options are on the table."

Other business lobbyists use less charged rhetoric* but echo Josten's stridency. "The President and his administration seem to be using the executive order powers for political purposes," says John Engler, president of the Business Roundtable, an association of major company CEOs. "The suggestion that federal procurement choices are the result of contributions is being seen as discouraging free speech by intimidating business donors."

Gosh, is it really a stretch to suggest that contractors think political donations help them obtain contracts? Did Lockheed really spend $16 million on campaign contributions over the last two decades -- divided fairly evenly between the two major parties (55-45 split for Republicans) -- for any other reason? Heck, the company spent $60 million over just the last five years on lobbying, primarily to affect how the government spends money.

This is a case -- there have been precious few -- where the President is going head to head with the Big Business lobby. It's up to us to help him stand strong for what's right. Go here to sign a petition urging President Obama to ignore the business pressure and issue the executive order requiring disclosure of contractors' election expenditures.

The need for such action is directly traceable to the Supreme Court's decision Citizens United v. FEC, which lifted restrictions on political spending by corporations, and paved the way for companies to make massive expenditures from their general treasuries to influence election outcomes. While companies are prohibited from making direct contributions to federal candidates, and while direct contributions from individual managers and employees of companies and their political action committees are publicly reported, it remains nearly impossible to trace most of the corporate political spending designed to curry favor and access with government officials. After Citizens United, corporations can now easily make secret and unlimited donations directly out of their corporate treasuries to "front" organizations like the U.S. Chamber of Commerce that then use the money for campaign expenditures.

Not only did Citizens United badly damage the functioning of our democracy, it invited a major uptick in corruption narrowly defined.

More here:
http://counterpunch.org/weissman04282011.html

(c) Robert Weissman
 

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Good for Obama :0074 . This is one step in the right direction.

Of course the Republicans will squeal like a bunch of piglets. I hope he makes sausage out of them.
 

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The problem here is this:

People will be afraid that if they donated heavily to the Republicans in an election and the Democrats win, when they bid on a gov't job, they will lose out because their donation record will be evident and be 'used against them' during the bidding process. Vice-versa if the roles are reversed.

You are essentially asking partisan people to be non-partisan during the awarding of government contracts. In a perfect world, fine. We do not live in a perfect world and I can understand their consternation.

I am against lobbying in all it's forms and think it is one of the root causes for the mess that we are all in.
 

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The problem here is this:

People will be afraid that if they donated heavily to the Republicans in an election and the Democrats win, when they bid on a gov't job, they will lose out because their donation record will be evident and be 'used against them' during the bidding process. Vice-versa if the roles are reversed.

You are essentially asking partisan people to be non-partisan during the awarding of government contracts. In a perfect world, fine. We do not live in a perfect world and I can understand their consternation.

I am against lobbying in all it's forms and think it is one of the root causes for the mess that we are all in.

You really don't think the donation situation is fairly well known those to those making decisions already? I think that's a fairly naive view, if so, with all due respect. It's certainly not known to us as taxpayers, and that's the point. Now taxpayers will be able to see the money trail of those who claim donation deductions (costs taxpayer money) and politician decisions and make their own decisions about the process. As it is now, we have all the money flying around - which I'm pretty sure is pretty well known to most in the process - and no way for us to know about it.

The freedom of speech angle in my opinion is bullshit. It's allowing these people to speak as freely as they want, and for both them and us to see clearly what went on in the process from a donation and project award result. It will make both "free speakers" and legislators assessable for taxpayers, and I think that's far more important than the disguise of protecting some monetary free speech analogy.
 

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Chadman:

You give the people in Washington way too much respect.
 

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The problem here is this:

People will be afraid that if they donated heavily to the Republicans in an election and the Democrats win, when they bid on a gov't job, they will lose out because their donation record will be evident and be 'used against them' during the bidding process. Vice-versa if the roles are reversed.

You are essentially asking partisan people to be non-partisan during the awarding of government contracts. In a perfect world, fine. We do not live in a perfect world and I can understand their consternation.

I am against lobbying in all it's forms and think it is one of the root causes for the mess that we are all in.

Well, then, either they will give to both sides, or neither.

I agree, lobbying should be eliminated, but there's that pesky First Amendment. Too bad the First doesn't apply only to persons. Maybe another Supreme Court will fix that.

However the most damaging lobbying is not business lobbying congressmen, but rather it's the bought-and-paid-for congressmen lobbying civil servants that's worse.
 

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Chadman:
I think the majority of the people in Washington know exactly how and why THEIR bread is buttered and not much out of their little realm of influence. WHAT is in it for THEM?!? How much such and such has donated to whomever falls outside their myopic view unless they are directly involved.

It is a combination of over-inflated egos combined with under-utilized or non-existent brain power = geniuses in their own mind.

Call me a cynic but I highly doubt the US would run much worse if they were only in session every third month and had to hoof it back home to their 'real' job in between.

Gotta make up and argue about a hell of a lot of useless legislation to fill all that time while they are in session.
 

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Chadman:
I think the majority of the people in Washington know exactly how and why THEIR bread is buttered and not much out of their little realm of influence. WHAT is in it for THEM?!? How much such and such has donated to whomever falls outside their myopic view unless they are directly involved.

It is a combination of over-inflated egos combined with under-utilized or non-existent brain power = geniuses in their own mind.

Call me a cynic but I highly doubt the US would run much worse if they were only in session every third month and had to hoof it back home to their 'real' job in between.

Gotta make up and argue about a hell of a lot of useless legislation to fill all that time while they are in session.

You could select a few dozen people at random from MadJack's, forbid them from taking one penny, let them meet for one week four times a year, and come up with better legislation than all of the Washington politicians combined.

I'd also forbid them from considering any legislation with more than 1337 words. If that's enough for the Declaration of Independence, it's plenty for a regulation about interstate transport of rutabagas.

Thousand page bills? Month long hearings about an under-assistant-deputy-secretary? 100 person staffs for a single congressman? Fact-finding trips to Paris? Golf outings? Bills to commend some hometown Billy-Bubba? Hundred million dollar campaigns? WTF?

I'd rather throw darts at the telephone book. I mean, shit, the dumbest summich here, Skulnutz, is better than the average congressman. :mj07:

Hell, the hard part was done over 200 years ago.
 
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Chadman:
I think the majority of the people in Washington know exactly how and why THEIR bread is buttered and not much out of their little realm of influence. WHAT is in it for THEM?!? How much such and such has donated to whomever falls outside their myopic view unless they are directly involved.

It is a combination of over-inflated egos combined with under-utilized or non-existent brain power = geniuses in their own mind.

Call me a cynic but I highly doubt the US would run much worse if they were only in session every third month and had to hoof it back home to their 'real' job in between.

Gotta make up and argue about a hell of a lot of useless legislation to fill all that time while they are in session.

What does that have to do with my post and these people being exposed for what they are doing? I'm not defending the politicians, nor giving them credit. I'm saying I think this is a positive step to changing the system, or at least allowing us to see the system at work. I can't see how this can be a bad thing in most cases for the citizen. I think it's kind of sad that some here and elsewhere just bitch about the system and the politicians, and then something like this comes up that will shed light on a big part of what people have a problem with, and they avoid the subject or dismiss it.
 

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I guess you see this as me being liberal leaning? I fully understand it will expose BOTH parties and legislators who engage in this behavior. It's not political positioning, other than I think it's commendable that Obama is doing it, and I give him credit for essentially doing it on his own - with an executive order.
 

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Chad:
I said you give the people in Washington too much respect.

You said in what context.

I replied.

I do not think they know what corporations donate where. I think they KNOW who donates to THEM.
Period.

Take money out of politics and the country would be WAY different.
 

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I would be ecstatic if we went to a public funding of elections scenario and take corporate (and yes, union) funding of elections out of it. Do I think that would stop this from going on? No, not really. But for the really large donations, I think it would, or it would take a helluva lot of work to make that happen realistically in a campaign reporting situation.

But to say that it's not an important step for people trying to take money from a Government for their businesses and not need to face Government and public scrutiny about whose bread they are financially buttering makes no more sense than worrying about these companies being rejected in this same process for political stance.

Why does it make sense in any way to allow companies to pour money into electing officials that will subsequently reward them with contracts, and then start worrying about elected officials making judgments based on those same donations? That makes zero sense to me, unless you are more concerned about the role of big business influencing the political process than anything else.

And I think we all know where the Chamber of Commerce comes into play on this issue - and why. That tells me all I really need to know about the situation, if nothing else.
 

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Profiting From Secrecy
Corporate America's War on Political Transparency
By ROBERT WEISSMAN

"The President and his administration seem to be using the executive order powers for political purposes," says John Engler, president of the Business Roundtable, an association of major company CEOs. "The suggestion that federal procurement choices are the result of contributions is being seen as discouraging free speech by intimidating business donors."
Without a doubt, two of the funniest statements I've read in quite some time... :mj07: :mj07:
 
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